is Klay done?

[thunderdunk]

I'm pretty sure Klay will be dealt. Dubs aren't going to sacrifice the last 3-4 years of Curry at a high level to make everyone feel good. Curry wants to win, whether his buds are there or not. 49ers dumped Montana. Giants dumped Bum. It's just the right thing to do.

[wco81]

It is Curry and nothing else, no other player exceeded a slightly positive impact on this rating. Closest are still Looney and Green, but the latter you have to dock because he took himself out of a crucial Q4 + 1 game suspension which isn't captured in this metric.

Hmm I can't actually find Draymond in the graph, but GPII and Moody are just below Looney. Wiggins I think if he doesn't leave for so much of the season and deal with injuries can play better. The TPA graph isn't perfect, but it does match a lot of my eye test. Wiggins is probably too low, but he has been quiet many nights.

Curry, Moody, Wiggins, Dray, Looney, GPII

These are our core 6, Klay probably can be a plus in reduced role where fewer minutes take less of a toll on his body... however given he is a big expiring, I think the real value is in trading him. Poole has to go if Dray stays... and those are probably all we need to make a change with, though I really can't see us moving Klay. It's just going to be see what we can get in exchange for Poole and run it back I bet.

On 40 **** million dollars!

Klay and JP are the easy options on who to move. Klay probably gets you two quality 8-man rotation players, and JP you might need to play until Feb so you can add some value to his stock. Right now it's the Wise situation where you sell at the worst time.

WTF do you care about what he makes? Unless you're buying a lot of game tickets, it's not costing you a dime what his salary is.

He could be making zero and the Warriors would still be capped out.

He earned that salary when he signed it in 2019. They gave him the extension despite blowing out the ACL.

He played way better in that Toronto series than he ever has. If not for that dirty POS Green who clipped him from behind when he had no chance to contest his layup, he'd have been alright.

Team didn't know he'd follow that ACL with an Achilles tear.

If Curry had that injury, would his contract be a big overpay?

You don't know what's going to happen because the NBA gives out these 4 or 5 year guaranteed deals for huge money.

[ILOVEIT]

Eh...you can't trade Klay without something better. Poole doesn't fit with Curry....so I don't see Warriors moving Klay UNLESS it's packaging him and Poole for a younger stud 2 guard. The other option is to move Wiggins to the 2 spot and run Kuminga as a starter at SF.

[thunderdunk]

Eh...you can't trade Klay without something better. Poole doesn't fit with Curry....so I don't see Warriors moving Klay UNLESS it's packaging him and Poole for a younger stud 2 guard. The other option is to move Wiggins to the 2 spot and run Kuminga as a starter at SF.

Package Klay and Poole? For what? Those contracts are going to need to be moved separately, unless its a 3-4 team deal with LOTS of moving parts.

[Jerry Maine]

Can't we trade Poole for Theo Ratliff's expiring contact?

[Impuniti]

Hmm I can't actually find Draymond in the graph, but GPII and Moody are just below Looney. Wiggins I think if he doesn't leave for so much of the season and deal with injuries can play better. The TPA graph isn't perfect, but it does match a lot of my eye test. Wiggins is probably too low, but he has been quiet many nights.

Curry, Moody, Wiggins, Dray, Looney, GPII

These are our core 6, Klay probably can be a plus in reduced role where fewer minutes take less of a toll on his body... however given he is a big expiring, I think the real value is in trading him. Poole has to go if Dray stays... and those are probably all we need to make a change with, though I really can't see us moving Klay. It's just going to be see what we can get in exchange for Poole and run it back I bet.

On 40 **** million dollars!

Klay and JP are the easy options on who to move. Klay probably gets you two quality 8-man rotation players, and JP you might need to play until Feb so you can add some value to his stock. Right now it's the Wise situation where you sell at the worst time.

WTF do you care about what he makes? Unless you're buying a lot of game tickets, it's not costing you a dime what his salary is.

He could be making zero and the Warriors would still be capped out.

He earned that salary when he signed it in 2019. They gave him the extension despite blowing out the ACL.

He played way better in that Toronto series than he ever has. If not for that dirty POS Green who clipped him from behind when he had no chance to contest his layup, he'd have been alright.

Team didn't know he'd follow that ACL with an Achilles tear.

If Curry had that injury, would his contract be a big overpay?

You don't know what's going to happen because the NBA gives out these 4 or 5 year guaranteed deals for huge money.

He's never been worth 40m at any point of his career. He was like the 6th best paid player in the league at that point so if you think he was worth it because he was playing really well for a singular series (not postseason run, series), then you're delusional.

The team was 0.64+ net rating with him on the court that post season run, and 20.23+ with him on the bench.

[wco81]

He's worth what the team was willing to pay him.

Another wannabe GM.

[migya]

Klay has to take less money now, he has to realise he isn't a star, he's a shooter. 20 million a year might be overpaying right now. Hope he stays, he is part of the legendary core but he is a role player now that can have big nights.

[weekend_warrior]

The problem is though, that Klay is still under contract for next season at 43 million. With the salary cap + luxury tax system, you absolutely need to have a difference maker at that rate or you're not gonna win. A player that will play 35+ minutes and make a significantly positive impact.

Overpaying for a roster spot to this degree means you're facing a real uphill battle to find absurd level of value on cheap contracts, which ironically GSW managed to do in their title run 2022. Usually, that doesn't happen. The combined salary of GP2, OPJ and Poole was significantly below 10 million. I would consider that an alltime-level outlier for roster construction. Paired with the great performance of Curry, this is basically what won GSW the title last season. (Considering the very solid play of Wiggins, Green, Looney etc. in-line with or maybe slightly above their salary expectations as a "baseline" to field a competitive PO team.)

The only realistic pathway for success in that now completed season would have been to get extraordinary value out of the young guys on the roster. That didn't happen and I cannot help it, but I never got the impression that it was seriously tried. It rather looked like people at the helm were thinking that the baseline was good enough. Not surprisingly, it wasn't.


This is another graph that illustrates this (again data before the last game):

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You want to have players above the horizontal line. The lower the player is, the more you should keep them to the left.

[weekend_warrior]

And here the final images for GSWs post season:

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[CDM_Stats]

And here the final images for GSWs post season:

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My 2 takeaways:

- Jokic is the clear MVP, and has been. People were mighty disrespectful to him last year, but he's the tippy top of the league right now by almost any metric or tracking data

- feel like its safe to say that the 2 people who hurt us the most via the eye test were the ones called out by this metric. Not super familiar with this one, but it jives with eye test on the surface

[Onus]

Klay definitely lost his legs in the playoffs and couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. Wonder if that was due to him not being able to train in the summer, carrying a heavy load when Steph was out, first full year back from injury. Coming back right before the playoffs last year probably kept his legs fresh for the playoff run. Maybe he needs to train so he hits peak late in the season.

[KevinMcreynolds]

He looks super slow out there. Go watch some highlights of him from the 2019 finals then watch some highlights from this year. It’s night and day.

[nitetrain8603]

Unless you're conceding the next few years, you need to decide between Draymond or Klay unless you believe their years are caused by something other than physical capabilities. The legs didn't look there for Klay and Dray has been losing hops for awhile. Only so far intangibles can take you.

I think you have an easier time building around Steph and Dray for the next two years if you include contract considerations. They're more likely to keep Klay and Steph though.

[Impuniti]

He's worth what the team was willing to pay him.

Another wannabe GM.

This is a moronic take. You talk about value and I explained that his value has never been up there.


Utterly airhead take. Someone paid for him so what? That's the point, they shouldn't have paid him that much. That's why he's one of the worst contracts in the league, which is a point you gloss over and throw some useless fluff that never actually has any value, like it's not your money. Great argument.

[Impuniti]

Unless you're conceding the next few years, you need to decide between Draymond or Klay unless you believe their years are caused by something other than physical capabilities. The legs didn't look there for Klay and Dray has been losing hops for awhile. Only so far intangibles can take you.

I think you have an easier time building around Steph and Dray for the next two years if you include contract considerations. They're more likely to keep Klay and Steph though.

Dray still has a lot of value even with all his issues. He's needed far more despite not being able to be his old self on a regular basis. And based on his recent pod unless his Klutch "brother" agent convinces him otherwise, he will likely take some sort of a discount.

[Impuniti]

Eh...you can't trade Klay without something better. Poole doesn't fit with Curry....so I don't see Warriors moving Klay UNLESS it's packaging him and Poole for a younger stud 2 guard. The other option is to move Wiggins to the 2 spot and run Kuminga as a starter at SF.

Lakers became the deepest team in the league trading away Russ who was seen as a cancer in the league because he had high wages on his last season.

[superunknown]

Eh...you can't trade Klay without something better. Poole doesn't fit with Curry....so I don't see Warriors moving Klay UNLESS it's packaging him and Poole for a younger stud 2 guard. The other option is to move Wiggins to the 2 spot and run Kuminga as a starter at SF.

Lakers became the deepest team in the league trading away Russ who was seen as a cancer in the league because he had high wages on his last season.

this.
dubs should at least take into consideration the possibility to explore a trade with his expiring huge contract this off season or at the trade deadline. that contract of his is an asset dubs can use to re-tool.

[GunnerWRX]

To Klay lovers who still don’t understand. Klay isn’t done. He is done being a $43M (33% of cap) player. He is not even a 25% cap (max) player.

On a winning team, he probably shouldn’t occupy more than 15% of cap.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Current Klay vs Kyle Korver.

Korver never was a good defender. Klay is not the defender that he was.
Korver shot open shots better.
Korver did not shoot shots as contested as some of the shots that Klay takes.

Game 6 Klay failed to show up vs the Lakers.
I don’t know that Korver ever had any level like game 6 Klay but in some year Korver did seem to be the go to guy on the Hawks.

Prime Korver vs current Klay, who is better for one playoff series?