Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[tarantism]

Who said anything about trading it for players that don’t fit ? Also the draft is a crapshoot. It’s even more of crapshoot if you don’t know when or where you’re picking. This pick could be end up being in the 8-12 range. It could also end up being worse next year. The risks are huge. I’d rather grab a player that I know can help us now rather than trying to luck out on a draft pick. All the while our core gets older.

Our core is getting older regardless. Beal will be turning 28 this year and once our core ages out he will have to carry the team on his own. How is that working out for Washington? Trading for Beal means no Wiseman, no other young talent on the team and zero prospects of adding young, affordable talent through the draft for at least 4-5 years (by which time Beal would be entering his mid 30s).

Its a nightmare scenario, and it is clearly not the direction that the FO want to go. Just be patient, Wiseman looks good and we will likely add another high lottery pick next year. Beal doesn't put us over the top.

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Who said anything about trading Wiseman or trading for Beal? My whole point was that the Minny pick doesn’t guarantee anything for us. I feel like we are 2 pieces away from being a legit contender. One of those pieces should be ripe by next season (Wiseman). The other doesn’t have to come from waiting for the pick to be ready to help out our core. You don’t play “trust the process” when your hand is as good as ours. Maybe I’m just more of a bird in the hand type of guy than others.
Your Beal scenario is a good one in this sense: Wiseman could end up being in a Beal like situation if the pick doesn’t net anyone good in about 3 years when Steph and Klay are losing their battle to Father Time.

My bad. Somebody else was talking about Beal.

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[Ilovethebay]

Our core is getting older regardless. Beal will be turning 28 this year and once our core ages out he will have to carry the team on his own. How is that working out for Washington? Trading for Beal means no Wiseman, no other young talent on the team and zero prospects of adding young, affordable talent through the draft for at least 4-5 years (by which time Beal would be entering his mid 30s).

Its a nightmare scenario, and it is clearly not the direction that the FO want to go. Just be patient, Wiseman looks good and we will likely add another high lottery pick next year. Beal doesn't put us over the top.

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Who said anything about trading Wiseman or trading for Beal? My whole point was that the Minny pick doesn’t guarantee anything for us. I feel like we are 2 pieces away from being a legit contender. One of those pieces should be ripe by next season (Wiseman). The other doesn’t have to come from waiting for the pick to be ready to help out our core. You don’t play “trust the process” when your hand is as good as ours. Maybe I’m just more of a bird in the hand type of guy than others.
Your Beal scenario is a good one in this sense: Wiseman could end up being in a Beal like situation if the pick doesn’t net anyone good in about 3 years when Steph and Klay are losing their battle to Father Time.

My bad. Somebody else was talking about Beal.

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All good. I’d rather have Lavine.

[Dubnation2020]

What do you guys think of trading Oubre and Poole for Otto Porter?? I think Porter would fit the Warriors system better, both Oubre and Porter on expiring contracts. Porter can still shoot the three at a good rate.

[xdrta+]

What do you guys think of trading Oubre and Poole for Otto Porter?? I think Porter would fit the Warriors system better, both Oubre and Porter on expiring contracts. Porter can still shoot the three at a good rate.

Aside from whether the Bulls would do it, the W's would have to send out about $23M to take on Porter's $28.5M salary.

[InWestWeTrust]

What do you guys think of trading Oubre and Poole for Otto Porter?? I think Porter would fit the Warriors system better, both Oubre and Porter on expiring contracts. Porter can still shoot the three at a good rate.

Porter fat and lazy, at least Kelly pretends to want to improve

[clyde21]

What do you guys think of trading Oubre and Poole for Otto Porter?? I think Porter would fit the Warriors system better, both Oubre and Porter on expiring contracts. Porter can still shoot the three at a good rate.

you need to add about 10mil more to make that work from our side

also why would the Bulls do this? they can get something better at the deadline if need be.

[clyde21]

yall need to stop pretending that Jordan Poole is an asset...dude was one of TWO players drafted in the first in 2019 that didn't get their team option exercised for year 3...him and Kab.

[Kuya]

Wiggins turned into an efficient 2-way player this year. We want to keep those sort of guys on our roster. He's gained his value back. We shouldn't trade him unless it's for an all star to be honest.

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[watch1958]

yall need to stop pretending that Jordan Poole is an asset...dude was one of TWO players drafted in the first in 2019 that didn't get their team option exercised for year 3...him and Kab.

I thought I read that they did pick up the option.

[whatisacenter]

yall need to stop pretending that Jordan Poole is an asset...dude was one of TWO players drafted in the first in 2019 that didn't get their team option exercised for year 3...him and Kab.

I thought I read that they did pick up the option.

yep https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2924693-jordan-poole-3rd-year-contract-option-picked-up-by-warriors

but I am going to go out on a limb and guess that clyde will think this is worse...

[clyde21]

yall need to stop pretending that Jordan Poole is an asset...dude was one of TWO players drafted in the first in 2019 that didn't get their team option exercised for year 3...him and Kab.

I thought I read that they did pick up the option.

yep https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2924693-jordan-poole-3rd-year-contract-option-picked-up-by-warriors

but I am going to go out on a limb and guess that clyde will think this is worse...

not worse but doesn't really change anything, Poole's not really a trade asset at this point.

[JAR69]

Wizards fan here, I come in peace.

I've been thinking about a potential three-way trade based around Beal to Miami for Herro, Achiuwa, picks(s)/swap(s), and maybe a bit more, with Herro going to you guys for the Minny pick. How does Herro for the pick sound to you in terms of value? Herro turns 21 tomorrow, is on a rookie contract (a pretty cheap one as the 13th pick), and already played decently in the NBA playoffs. You get a young but ready to win player to go with Wiseman potential and the aging core. And eliminate the uncertainty of the pick protection.

I could see you thinking Herro isn't enough, or thinking (objectively) that he is worth more than the pick. Thanks for your thoughts.

[Phase 3]

Wizards fan here, I come in peace.

I've been thinking about a potential three-way trade based around Beal to Miami for Herro, Achiuwa, picks(s)/swap(s), and maybe a bit more, with Herro going to you guys for the Minny pick. How does Herro for the pick sound to you in terms of value? Herro turns 21 tomorrow, is on a rookie contract (a pretty cheap one as the 13th pick), and already played decently in the NBA playoffs. You get a young but ready to win player to go with Wiseman potential and the aging core. And eliminate the uncertainty of the pick protection.

I could see you thinking Herro isn't enough, or thinking (objectively) that he is worth more than the pick. Thanks for your thoughts.

Yes. I would do it. I’m a big fan of Herro though so I’m biased.

Why wouldn’t Washington just want Herro for themselves? That Minnesota pick is really nice and *could* end up turning into a better player than Herro. But Herro seems like more of a safe bet.

On a side note, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Warriors try to throw their hat in the ring for Beal should he become available.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Read on Twitter

trade Poole for KPJ

would basically be a do-over on our pick

[TB]

Wizards fan here, I come in peace.

I've been thinking about a potential three-way trade based around Beal to Miami for Herro, Achiuwa, picks(s)/swap(s), and maybe a bit more, with Herro going to you guys for the Minny pick. How does Herro for the pick sound to you in terms of value? Herro turns 21 tomorrow, is on a rookie contract (a pretty cheap one as the 13th pick), and already played decently in the NBA playoffs. You get a young but ready to win player to go with Wiseman potential and the aging core. And eliminate the uncertainty of the pick protection.

I could see you thinking Herro isn't enough, or thinking (objectively) that he is worth more than the pick. Thanks for your thoughts.

At first I thought for sure we'd want the minny pick, because its got the potential to be a real star... but then looking at what Herro has been doing this year, thats sort of hard to pass up.

Thats a tough one, I think I lean towards keeping the pick, but its definitely a valid trade that the Warriors would have to consider.

[Phase 3]

Wizards fan here, I come in peace.

I've been thinking about a potential three-way trade based around Beal to Miami for Herro, Achiuwa, picks(s)/swap(s), and maybe a bit more, with Herro going to you guys for the Minny pick. How does Herro for the pick sound to you in terms of value? Herro turns 21 tomorrow, is on a rookie contract (a pretty cheap one as the 13th pick), and already played decently in the NBA playoffs. You get a young but ready to win player to go with Wiseman potential and the aging core. And eliminate the uncertainty of the pick protection.

I could see you thinking Herro isn't enough, or thinking (objectively) that he is worth more than the pick. Thanks for your thoughts.

At first I thought for sure we'd want the minny pick, because its got the potential to be a real star... but then looking at what Herro has been doing this year, thats sort of hard to pass up.

Thats a tough one, I think I lean towards keeping the pick, but its definitely a valid trade that the Warriors would have to consider.

What are the chances the Warriors draft someone better than Herro with that pick? I think the odds are low.

[xdrta+]

Wizards fan here, I come in peace.

I've been thinking about a potential three-way trade based around Beal to Miami for Herro, Achiuwa, picks(s)/swap(s), and maybe a bit more, with Herro going to you guys for the Minny pick. How does Herro for the pick sound to you in terms of value? Herro turns 21 tomorrow, is on a rookie contract (a pretty cheap one as the 13th pick), and already played decently in the NBA playoffs. You get a young but ready to win player to go with Wiseman potential and the aging core. And eliminate the uncertainty of the pick protection.

I could see you thinking Herro isn't enough, or thinking (objectively) that he is worth more than the pick. Thanks for your thoughts.

I would do it, it's pretty much a sure thing vs. gambling on a pick. Can't you get more for Beal, though?

[TB]

Wizards fan here, I come in peace.

I've been thinking about a potential three-way trade based around Beal to Miami for Herro, Achiuwa, picks(s)/swap(s), and maybe a bit more, with Herro going to you guys for the Minny pick. How does Herro for the pick sound to you in terms of value? Herro turns 21 tomorrow, is on a rookie contract (a pretty cheap one as the 13th pick), and already played decently in the NBA playoffs. You get a young but ready to win player to go with Wiseman potential and the aging core. And eliminate the uncertainty of the pick protection.

I could see you thinking Herro isn't enough, or thinking (objectively) that he is worth more than the pick. Thanks for your thoughts.

At first I thought for sure we'd want the minny pick, because its got the potential to be a real star... but then looking at what Herro has been doing this year, thats sort of hard to pass up.

Thats a tough one, I think I lean towards keeping the pick, but its definitely a valid trade that the Warriors would have to consider.

What are the chances the Warriors draft someone better than Herro with that pick? I think the odds are low.

Yup probably pretty low... but that chance at a Suggs/Bates is tempting lol.

[JAR69]

Wizards fan here, I come in peace.

I've been thinking about a potential three-way trade based around Beal to Miami for Herro, Achiuwa, picks(s)/swap(s), and maybe a bit more, with Herro going to you guys for the Minny pick. How does Herro for the pick sound to you in terms of value? Herro turns 21 tomorrow, is on a rookie contract (a pretty cheap one as the 13th pick), and already played decently in the NBA playoffs. You get a young but ready to win player to go with Wiseman potential and the aging core. And eliminate the uncertainty of the pick protection.

I could see you thinking Herro isn't enough, or thinking (objectively) that he is worth more than the pick. Thanks for your thoughts.

At first I thought for sure we'd want the minny pick, because its got the potential to be a real star... but then looking at what Herro has been doing this year, thats sort of hard to pass up.

Thats a tough one, I think I lean towards keeping the pick, but its definitely a valid trade that the Warriors would have to consider.

What are the chances the Warriors draft someone better than Herro with that pick? I think the odds are low.

Thanks for the responses. There is some skepticism on the Wizards board about Herro, though I'm personally a fan and think he would be better to keep. Some folks want to maximize picks, and the best one potentially available is Minny's. Herro seems like a good fit for you guys - young, smart, good shooter. I imagine he would do very well in your system. And more on your timeline than a potential high 2021 or 2022 pick.

And some asked about getting more for Beal. I think the answer is maybe. Looking around the league, there aren't many teams who would be willing to do a Brooklyn-like haul for Beal. One way to address that for those who want all picks is to take some from different teams.

Final question - do you think you be willing to do more for Herro? A future 2024 or 2026 pick swap?

[Phase 3]

At first I thought for sure we'd want the minny pick, because its got the potential to be a real star... but then looking at what Herro has been doing this year, thats sort of hard to pass up.

Thats a tough one, I think I lean towards keeping the pick, but its definitely a valid trade that the Warriors would have to consider.

What are the chances the Warriors draft someone better than Herro with that pick? I think the odds are low.

Thanks for the responses. There is some skepticism on the Wizards board about Herro, though I'm personally a fan and think he would be better to keep. Some folks want to maximize picks, and the best one potentially available is Minny's. Herro seems like a good fit for you guys - young, smart, good shooter. I imagine he would do very well in your system. And more on your timeline than a potential high 2021 or 2022 pick.

And some asked about getting more for Beal. I think the answer is maybe. Looking around the league, there aren't many teams who would be willing to do a Brooklyn-like haul for Beal. One way to address that for those who want all picks is to take some from different teams.

Final question - do you think you be willing to do more for Herro? A future 2024 or 2026 pick swap?

The Warriors already traded their 2024 1st top 4 protected to Memphis. So the Warriors don’t have much in the way of picks that are eligible to be traded.

I’d throw in someone like Eric Paschal if it got the deal done for Herro. But like I’ve said, I’m a big fan of Herro and the Warriors desperately need a young, talented player that can shoot.

As it pertains to Beal, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Warriors push their chips in to try to get Beal should he become available. The Warriors would definitely put the Minnesota pick on the table for a talent like Beal....The real question is would they be willing to part with Wiseman also? I know they love Wiseman so I’m not sure about that part.

And if the Warriors don’t offer up Wiseman, you guys would be able to find a better offer somewhere else. It should be very interesting to see how the Beal situation plays out. Do you think the Wizards will put him on the market soon?