Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[InWestWeTrust]

I’d have to trade any of our core but that Dray for Miles Turner idea is interesting. Pacers would be interested too I’m sure with Sabonis emerging.

Depends on what we’d get with Turner though. And when is he a RFA?

[clyde21]

I’d have to trade any of our core but that Dray for Miles Turner idea is interesting. Pacers would be interested too I’m sure with Sabonis emerging.

Depends on what we’d get with Turner though. And when is he a RFA?

He has one more season before he's a RFA, and his cap hold is ~$10mil.

Hard to say at this point what he'll be offered. Depends entirely on how he continues developing, but I can't imagine there's going to be a lot of money available this off-season or next.

Honestly, I'd pull the trigger on a Green for Turner trade (I'd try hard to pry their first rounder, too, maybe if we throw in Damian Jones or something). We can still compete for championships while building a little for the future.

[clyde21]

Say we win the 'ship, and Philly approaches us t his off-season with the follow S&T offer:

Robert Covington, Dario Saric, 10th overall pick for Kevin Durant.

How far away are you from saying yes?

[wco81]

If the Warriors win it this year, they're not going to make major trades.

No matter how much you want to break up a championship contender.

[clyde21]

If the Warriors win it this year, they're not going to make major trades.

No matter how much you want to break up a championship contender.

We're a championship contender without any one of Green, Durant or Thompson.

You can make a trade, maintain cap flexibility, get deeper/younger while STILL compete for rings.

I'm not convinced that it has to be one or the way, and we have some major decisions to make in the next two years anyways with Thompson/Green.

[wco81]

We don't have any decisions to make.

The owners who pay the bills will make those decisions.

They have to figure out if they want to pay a lot of luxury taxes, maybe hundreds of millions over a 3-5 year period, to keep this core together.

Since they're going to hike ticket prices in the new $1 billion arena, they may or may not bet that they can keep this arena filled without all 4 players retained on the team.

It would be great to flip one or two of them for younger stars or potential stars. But if they don't maximize this window -- which is around the end of Curry's deal -- then the fans may stop coming to games.

And Lacob may end up being compared to Reinsdorf.

[clyde21]

We don't have any decisions to make.

The owners who pay the bills will make those decisions.

They have to figure out if they want to pay a lot of luxury taxes, maybe hundreds of millions over a 3-5 year period, to keep this core together.

Since they're going to hike ticket prices in the new $1 billion arena, they may or may not bet that they can keep this arena filled without all 4 players retained on the team.

It would be great to flip one or two of them for younger stars or potential stars. But if they don't maximize this window -- which is around the end of Curry's deal -- then the fans may stop coming to games.

And Lacob may end up being compared to Reinsdorf.

I'm not really interesting in having a debate about whether Lacob will pay the luxury tax or not. That's obviously his call.

But, let's put it in perspective.

Last year, Durant took about $8mil dollar cut off the top of his salary to accommodate the resignings of Iguodala and Livingston. This year, he's likely to opt out and ask for a new deal, most likely closer to his max.

His max with the us is 4/158, starting at $35mil the first year. Let's say he takes a smaller pay cut this time around, and does a 4/144 instead (which is about a $3mil per year cut).

That means next year, after renouncing literally everyone else that's a FA, we're going to be $36mil OVER the cap, and paying $20mil in luxury tax on top.

The following year, it's Klay Thompson's turn to get paid. He's going to ask for the max, but let's say he also takes a few mil off the top as a gesture and signs for 4/127.

At this point, we're $48mil over the cap and paying $57mil in luxury taxes on top (total bill for Lacob is about $214mil).

Oh, and this is before we bring back Jordan Bell who's also going to be a RFA.

The year after, it's Draymond's turn. He's also going to get max or near max, so let's say he takes the same pay cut as Klay and his contract is for 4/134.

That means 2020-2021 we're going to be paying $160mil for JUST FOUR PLAYERS (Curry, Klay, Durant, Dray).

Oh, and see we decide to keep Bell...resigning him to just $8mil a year would trigger a $100mil tax bill on its own.

Oh, and this is with all three of Durant, Klay and Dray taking pay cuts.

Now, obviously this will all be up to Lacob and whether he's willing to pay all of this or not, but let's not pretend that he'd be a fool not to. There are multiple ways to tackle this while still competing for rings without asking Lacob to pay almost half a billion in salary and taxes.

[Coxy]

Say we win the 'ship, and Philly approaches us t his off-season with the follow S&T offer:

Robert Covington, Dario Saric, 10th overall pick for Kevin Durant.

How far away are you from saying yes?

That's a yes from me.

[FloydWarrior]

It's going to be very tricky. This team with 4 stars on their prime was assembled with a help a few "lucky" chronological events: curry's injury discount contract, salary cap spike, etc, etc...

Sooner or later, I think the Warriors owners will make a decision regarding Green/Thompson/Durant...they didn't become rich by paying more taxes than they have too, that's for sure lol

[wco81]

Covington who **** the bed in the playoffs?

[Mylie10]

Hey Clyde....Klay is blowing up your general board way of thinking.

They will all be back. This is a generational situation. Don't look at it from such a group think stance.

[and1GS]

Say we win the 'ship, and Philly approaches us t his off-season with the follow S&T offer:

Robert Covington, Dario Saric, 10th overall pick for Kevin Durant.

How far away are you from saying yes?

That's a yes from me.

You'd trade a top 3 NBA player for two guys who don't make the top 3 on their team and the 10th pick in a 2 player draft? SMH

[KevinMcreynolds]

If Mikal is available at the 9th pick...

Klay for Le Frank and Mikal+filler

[Phase 3]

Livingston for Jonathan Simmons. Throw in our late 1st round pick this year if necessary. He’s still got 2 years left on his deal at a very reasonable rate(I think it’s like $6M per year over the next 2). Warriors get younger and much more athletic. Simmons is built for playoff basketball.

[BW32]

I like Simmons but a first for a bench player is always tough to do. Think I'd rather just draft with that pick.

[and1GS]

To be clear we don't get much younger, Jonathan Simmons is 28.

[Phase 3]

I like Simmons but a first for a bench player is always tough to do. Think I'd rather just draft with that pick.

Obviously I don’t know if a deal like that is possible...but if it is and they choose to keep that pick instead of trading it for a proven player, Myers better make sure the guy they draft can be a rotation player in the playoffs. The Warriors are in win-now mode. Every season needs to be treated like it’s the last year to try and win a ring. The front office was way too conservative in building its roster this year and left too many key bench roles up to chance by “trusting” their draft picks. You never know when the window will close...just look at this year. The Warriors have lost a step and the rest of the league is catching up.

[Shady Franchise]

Hey guys. Where would Iggy's absence rank as far as being detrimental to future Championships? Is he the fifth most important player after Curry, Durant, Klay and Green, and would you guys consider trading him?

[Commodor]

Hey guys. Where would Iggy's absence rank as far as being detrimental to future Championships? Is he the fifth most important player after Curry, Durant, Klay and Green, and would you guys consider trading him?

Yes, may even shop him in the coming years as Klay and Dray come due for their raises.

But it wouldn't be a dump. Would search for value.

[Commodor]

So with Kawhi wanting out do we make an offer? My offer:

Draymond
Iguodala
Jordan Bell
1st rd pick 2018 or 19 whatever they want/we can offer.

for

Kawhi
Pau Gasol

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8b7egm5

Gives SA a fighting chance for another year or two with Pop, plus some decently youthful pieces in Dray and Bell. Makes some more cap space also if they want to make another move.

Makes us suspiciously unfair. Kawhi can pretty much do exactly what Dray and Iguodala do, but does hurt our top 5 man line-up.