James Wiseman 2021/2022

[Scoots1994]

Doesn't sound like the same story to me.

Remember 2 months ago when they were talking about him making day to day progress and they thought he would probably be back before Klay and then he was having problems progressing?

he had a clean up surgery in December. This is a new timeline.

Yes a new timeline to the same story

[GunnerWRX]

Before the season began, I was hoping 1 of 3 (Kuminga/Moody/Wiseman) would be worthy to be a 9-man playoff rotation guy.

Still panning out, even though I thought it would be Wiseman, and didn’t expect Kuminga/Moody would be the one(s) that look like it.

Wiseman will get his fair share of chance when he returns. How we have brought along Kuminga and Moody steadily is the blueprint.

[shazam_guy]

So since some of you don't think he'll have a positive impact this year, we should, what -- trade him? At the bottom of his value? Or just freeze him out when he's ready and not let him play?

I have no idea what most of these comments even mean. What are the alternatives? The two I mentioned above? Any others? We invested in this kid. You don't just toss a high draft pick away, unless they go Chris Washburn or Jamarcus Russell on you and turn into full-blown idiot disasters. Wiseman hasn't done that and isn't likely to -- he seems like a good, hard-working kid who has a ton of potential.

It would be one thing if some of us were saying, "He's going to save the franchise!" But we're not. We're just saying, "What exactly do you think should be done and does it help the team enough to be worth jettisoning the investment of coaching time and his potential upside?" So far, all I'm hearing are complaints about his return-time setback, which are exactly zero useful.

[ILOVEIT]

The one thing you cannot say about Wiseman is that he lacks talent.

He has a TON of talent. I would put his ceiling right there next to Kuminga.

All he needs is some health and some run this year....10 minutes a game.

[DevinVassell]

So since some of you don't think he'll have a positive impact this year, we should, what -- trade him? At the bottom of his value? Or just freeze him out when he's ready and not let him play?

I have no idea what most of these comments even mean. What are the alternatives? The two I mentioned above? Any others? We invested in this kid. You don't just toss a high draft pick away, unless they go Chris Washburn or Jamarcus Russell on you and turn into full-blown idiot disasters. Wiseman hasn't done that and isn't likely to -- he seems like a good, hard-working kid who has a ton of potential.

It would be one thing if some of us were saying, "He's going to save the franchise!" But we're not. We're just saying, "What exactly do you think should be done and does it help the team enough to be worth jettisoning the investment of coaching time and his potential upside?" So far, all I'm hearing are complaints about his return-time setback, which are exactly zero useful.

Yeah, its a headscratcher. There are some people on this board that genuinely want to see Wiseman fail.

It's likely they picked someone else in the draft.... and now want to see their imaginary pick validated, even at the expense of warriors success.

[DevinVassell]

The one thing you cannot say about Wiseman is that he lacks talent.

He has a TON of talent. I would put his ceiling right there next to Kuminga.

All he needs is some health and some run this year....10 minutes a game.

YES!

[Rsashimi12]

Looking again at his pre draft workout vids, i still firmly believe we made the right pick. Hypothetically speaking, he fits our young nucleus pretty well position wise.
That being said, anthony randolph was somebody i was quite high on as well. So hopefully wiseman will turn out to be the player we all hope for

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[shazam_guy]

It feels sometimes like trying to explain sports management to actual newcomers, although I'm sure that's not completely fair. But after Poole -- bad first season, let's dump him; and Wiseman -- didn't even have a first season, let's dump him anyway; and more recently the complaining about how Moody is a bust, or at least far away from being anything useful, you kind of wonder if any of these people have been following the NBA long enough to see how players develop through their first years in the league.

Interestingly, Kuminga's been largely the opposite complaint: "He should be starting every game! They're wasting him by letting (pick any of several players) play instead!"

After so many years loving the sport and watching generation after generation of players pass through my favorite teams, it gets tiring to have to argue about this all the time. It's as if every season exists in a vacuum for some fans and nobody learns anything.

I am always grateful that there are a good, large number of people on this board who understand that developing talent is a process, and that we've actually had it pretty good. There's a reason only a few new guys catch on in the league each year, and a few veterans hit their sell-by date and fall out. The reason is that experience and learning from the improvement in competition is one of the most important parts of professional sports, probably as important as sheer physical skill, and will carry you even when your physical abilities begin to fade. But even amazing skills they won't keep you in the league very long if you don't learn and improve your game.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

So since some of you don't think he'll have a positive impact this year, we should, what -- trade him? At the bottom of his value? Or just freeze him out when he's ready and not let him play?

I have no idea what most of these comments even mean. What are the alternatives? The two I mentioned above? Any others? We invested in this kid. You don't just toss a high draft pick away, unless they go Chris Washburn or Jamarcus Russell on you and turn into full-blown idiot disasters. Wiseman hasn't done that and isn't likely to -- he seems like a good, hard-working kid who has a ton of potential.

It would be one thing if some of us were saying, "He's going to save the franchise!" But we're not. We're just saying, "What exactly do you think should be done and does it help the team enough to be worth jettisoning the investment of coaching time and his potential upside?" So far, all I'm hearing are complaints about his return-time setback, which are exactly zero useful.

We should try to develop Wiseman into a future Hall of Famer. Developing players is a very imprecise science; you win some you lose some. I would gamble on Wiseman even though he might be a bust.

Wiseman as he was his las game last year had the capability to shut down Ayton's offense. Ayton coukd not shoot over Wiseman and Ayton relies on shooting over people.

Wiseman will be a good outside shooter if his career lasts. Worse case scenario stretch 5.

Wiseman looked as stupid and confused as Rookies coming out of high school which is what he was. There was a film of Wiseman in high School playing against the Mobley brothers. The Mobley brothers looked like they knew what they were doing while Wiseman looked clueless and had compararative slow reaction times and was comparatively passive. The Mobley brothers played each other in the back yard for a decade. They only stoppped playing each other in high school when they realized that every game was going to end with punches thrown. Their competitiveness, physicality and reactivity was out of control. The next step would be vicious fights so to save their family the stopped playing ball against each other. Wiseman had knothing like that. Wiseman still needs to learn what the Mobley brothers and the kids at Rucker park knew at age 15.

Then there is gentltle giant syndrome and the I am a 7 foot tall guard syndrome. Mom says share your toys. You are big; you don't have to share your toys. Wiseman needs to forget mom, be like Shaq and just take their toys. Next Wiseman needs to not try to prove that he could still play in the NBA even if his height was 6' 7". Wiseman's guard skills are nice but not even close to NBA level. Make your peace with being a 7 foot freak.


Reaction time. If you don't have good reaction time you will never be a good driver on California highways or a good rebounder. Wiseman's reaction time looked very slow to me. Sometimes thinking causes slow reaction times. You don't get cat quick by thinking about what to do. Everything needs to be watch and react like a cat.

My reaction time is probabably only average but I will not be getting into car accidents. I have driven millions of milles. I am not thinking. I am in cat like watch and react mode most of the time. Every little wiggle of the cars arround me tells me something. I know what is going to happen on the road before it happens. On the the road I know the equivalent of where the rebound will fall as soon as the shot leaves the shooters hands and I know who to box out to get that rebound.

Wiseman doesn't seem to have Mobley's animalistic will win. Mental will to win is good but slower.Wiseman lacks Mobley's reaction time which has two parts, 1 your cat quick and cat alert and 2 like me you have drive a million miles and just recognize everything that is gonging to happen before it happens. The Mobley brothers are not just cat quick; they were also close to having logged their million miles on the court in the driveway.

Wiseman had an advantage, he was bigger than the mobley's and was quick in muscle quickness. Wiseman's brain may react slow but his muscles are fast. Suppose Wiseman practices a drive with a spin move while working alone with no defender; when Wiseman tries that move out against a defender he will be fast and cordinated because he is fast and co-ordinated; just don't expect Wiseman to react quickly to whatever the defender might try.

What can Wiseman pick up from coaches, and drills and film while still not allowed to use one Knee? I don't know.

At minimum I want the confused high school kid version of Wiseman back not a confused high school kid with a permanently damaged Knee. Surgeons do botch surgeries some times. Curry is allowed to miss a free throw but the surgeon is supposed to be perfect.

I have a lot of miles as a fan. Bobby Orr fan and a fan of his good knee since 1966. If this was 1983 hearing that they went back and did a 2nd surgery on Wiseman in December would have me saying that Wiseman is unlikely to have a healthy career. Now in 2022 knee surger is 4 times better than in 1975 and team doctors are 3 times more cautious about risking a players career.


The surgery in December still bugs me. Wiseman needed time with the team. Now what does he get a month and then playoffs.

I would get another center rather than possibly get into a situation where Wiseman being worse than mediocre costs a championship.
But Keep Wiseman for 2023, just don't count on him for anything in 2022.

[Upperclass]

You summed his game up perfectly

[azwfan]

Honest question. Wiseman was really bad last year. He has been out the entire offseason and this year. Why are people expecting any kind of considerable jump in impact? Young guys usually need entire offseasons and plenty of games to start showing improvement.

Starting the season he was coming in without a training camp, preseason and put into a starting lineup with Oubre and Wiggins who had never played with Steph and Draymond before. He also had a wrist injury that interrupted his development as he started showing signs of figuring it out before he went down with the meniscus.

I think the Warriors overhauling their coaching staff showed that they were not up to par with developing their young players and it has already paid dividends with Moody and Kuminga. I think Wiseman will benefit as well and he has the tools and skills to have a positive impact on the floor. Time will tell.

Ya but he will also come into this season with no training camp, no preason, and will have missed at least 3/4s of this season.

Im just saying by most impact measurements Wiseman was one of the worst players in the league last year. And he has missed the entire offseason, training camp and so on, and hasnt played a game since April. I just dont see why anyone expect any kind of considerable jump in his impact. Especially since his awareness on both sides of the court are some of his biggest issues and that is very hard to work on from the sidelines, you need to run the drills in camp and get minutes in the game to really improve in the areas that he needs to improve on.

Even under the best circumstances I still wouldnt have expected Wiseman to be a positive impact player this year. But there is just no way I see him being any kind of positive player for this team this year.

Not only did he not have a training camp last year, he wasnt even able to be in the arena. He wasn't able to work or talk to coaches, to be around the team. He was drafted in late November and tested positive for Covid when it came time to report to training camp. He had little to no exposure to our team offense / defense which is nothing like he would have gotten elsewhere. Then he was thrown in as a starter / big minutes player.

So yes, this year he missed training camp. And this year he has missed a lot of time. But this year he has at least had months to work with the coaching staff, sit in meetings and film sessions, be around his teammates, and be involved in games.

I don't know if he'll be significantly better then last year (or what significantly better would even look like) but I would expect him to be better after a ramp up period.

[Duke4life831]

Starting the season he was coming in without a training camp, preseason and put into a starting lineup with Oubre and Wiggins who had never played with Steph and Draymond before. He also had a wrist injury that interrupted his development as he started showing signs of figuring it out before he went down with the meniscus.

I think the Warriors overhauling their coaching staff showed that they were not up to par with developing their young players and it has already paid dividends with Moody and Kuminga. I think Wiseman will benefit as well and he has the tools and skills to have a positive impact on the floor. Time will tell.

Ya but he will also come into this season with no training camp, no preason, and will have missed at least 3/4s of this season.

Im just saying by most impact measurements Wiseman was one of the worst players in the league last year. And he has missed the entire offseason, training camp and so on, and hasnt played a game since April. I just dont see why anyone expect any kind of considerable jump in his impact. Especially since his awareness on both sides of the court are some of his biggest issues and that is very hard to work on from the sidelines, you need to run the drills in camp and get minutes in the game to really improve in the areas that he needs to improve on.

Even under the best circumstances I still wouldnt have expected Wiseman to be a positive impact player this year. But there is just no way I see him being any kind of positive player for this team this year.

Not only did he not have a training camp last year, he wasnt even able to be in the arena. He wasn't able to work or talk to coaches, to be around the team. He was drafted in late November and tested positive for Covid when it came time to report to training camp. He had little to no exposure to our team offense / defense which is nothing like he would have gotten elsewhere. Then he was thrown in as a starter / big minutes player.

So yes, this year he missed training camp. And this year he has missed a lot of time. But this year he has at least had months to work with the coaching staff, sit in meetings and film sessions, be around his teammates, and be involved in games.

I don't know if he'll be significantly better then last year (or what significantly better would even look like) but I would expect him to be better after a ramp up period.

I get all those points and they are valid.

I just personally have a hard time seeing any significant change in impact with him this year. Again his biggest flaws have always been defensive awareness and just overall BBIQ. Even in a perfect situation, many times we dont see players really improve in those areas and when we do, it tends to take years to start seeing big improvement (especially from bigs).

So him being out for close to a year, him not having any kind of offseason or a long season to start gaining experience. I think we're going to see a good amount of time of him knocking off rust and getting his legs under him. He's also only played 39 games. So he still is going to take time still getting used to the speed and overall differences with the NBA game. Then add on his flaws that he will still have.

Too be clear I have never been a big fan of Wiseman as a prospect going back to his high school days. Even putting that aside, just have a hard time seeing him coming in and having a positive impact.

[wco81]

Meyers gave an injury update on Thursday. They're feeling confident that he's progressing towards contact work.

But then they were feeling confident back in November when he had contact work along with Klay and then they had to do another procedure.

The hope is to get him a couple of dozen games -- there are only 29 games left -- to assess what his role might be in the playoffs.

[floppymoose]

JW has played WAAAY less competitive basketball than JK at this point. And JK is a 19yo who started serious hoops pretty late. I have 0 expectations this season and think the W/L record is benefiting from him being out (this season).

[wco81]

I remember some good stretches before he got injured. He wasn't freelancing as much, taking 3s or midrange jump shots.

He was around the basket a lot and was finishing baskets from under the basket that most Warriors struggle to do, like Looney and even Kuminga unless he gathers up a bit.

It's too bad, they'd have been able to give him some minutes when the team had big leads. Also if he could be coached up like Looney to play sound positional defense and pursue some offensive rebounds, get more physical, he'd be an asset.

Hope he's been able to train some, like lifting to get stronger overall.

[Scoots1994]

Supposedly practiced with the team. Non-contact. It went well. Best case scenario is 3 weeks.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Warriors are saying no trade at the trade deadline and are saying the Warriors are fine at center.
Looney has a goal of playing 82 games. If we try to give Looney a rest day Looney will not be appy.

Reading the tea leaves the Warriors must feel better about Wiseman than I do.
We don't need Choizza. Swapping Chiozza for any g-league large sized center on a two way contract would make me happy.
But if the Warriors are sure about Wiseman's knee healing and are sure that Wiseman will have an imprved basketball IQ then doing nothing about our center position is reasonable.

The rest of the Warriors team other than center position looks like chamionship team. We just can't have Gobert burning us at the same time that Donovan Mitchell burns us or Ayton burning us at the same time as Booker burns us. Donovan Mitchell concernsme more than Booker. Booker takes what the defense gives, Mitchell has shown an ability to get hot, like Curry hot where he can score well even when double teaned.


I respect Vegas odds. vegas has moved the Warriors ahead of the Suns. vegas still has the Nets first in championship odds but I don't think the Nets will reach the finals.

[xdrta+]

Swapping Chiozza for a g league center won't help in the playoffs, since two-ways can't play in the playoffs.

[wco81]

Practice with the team but no contact?

Did they actually have something like a scrimmage but nobody touched him?

Or did he take shooting practice, alternating with other players, with coaches guiding him through specific set of shots?

The team has 29 games left and after February, it will be 21.

If he's not doing contact work by the end of the month, he's not going to be back in time to play enough games to get his conditioning and get into a groove.

They could try to get him 10 games before the playoffs but is that enough playing time for the team to have confidence in putting him into a regular playoffs rotation?

[Scoots1994]

We should try to develop Wiseman into a future Hall of Famer.

Just messing, but can you imaging Kerr talking to his coaching staff when they took over and saying "We should try to develop Curry into a moderately successful fringe NBA player". Why wouldn't the coaches try to get the maximum out of every player they are coaching? And the Hall of Fame doesn't seem like a target one coaches to, rather that a players skills should be expanded to maximize their physical talent.