Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[xdrta+]

I don't know why people want an even worse shooter than Oubre, and not even a better defender.

Lonzo is a better defender than Oubre. KO is a lot like Whiteside - yes he gets counting stats on that end but the nuances of good individual and team defense are totally lost in the process. Its like thinking that KO is a great offensive player based on dunks while ignoring all of the percentages.

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Well, I think Lonzo is overrated on defense, but aside from that, the last thing the Warriors need is another horrible shooter.

[Mylie10]

Ok here’s one of the ways the trade and money works:

Lonzo 11 mil rfa , Reddick 13 mil exp

Oubre 14.3 rfa , Marquese Chriss 1.8 exp, Poole 2.1, Smiley 1.5

Reddick runs the Klay Thompson style of off ball movement. Shooting like crap, hit a change of scenery could be good. Expires, but if things workout they could resign him very cheap.

Lonzo plays defense in the Oubre role, but completely understands ball movement and passing. The shooting is garbage, but he’s a much better fit. And it’s a trial much like Oubre. So if it doesn’t work they can move off of him. Also have to think about salary slot.

It’s an underwhelming move that FITS. The fit is important and you still have flexibility.

New Orleans is extremely cheap. Oubre is expiring, or could carve out a role with the young Pelicans. Seems like he’s a decent fit for those guys. Or they save money on his expiring.

Adding picks would be worriesome. But taking advantage of the poor shooting numbers for Reddick and Lonzo might help to get a deal like this done without having to add picks.

[clyde21]

I don't know why people want an even worse shooter than Oubre, and not even a better defender.

because Lonzo is actually a great team defender, who can slide up or down a position, who can also run an entire offense when Steph/Dray aren't on the court

[Mylie10]

I don't know why people want an even worse shooter than Oubre, and not even a better defender.

because Lonzo is actually a great team defender, who can slide up or down a position, who can also run an entire offense when Steph/Dray aren't on the court

Lonzo has an actual basketball IQ. He’s a great passer, especially on the break. His shooting is horrid, but I’d expect both his rebounding and assist totals get back to normal playing here in a ball movement style.

Same for Redick actually. While he is clearly not the guy he used to be, O could argue that playing for a team that has Steph Curry and Klay Thompson could be a great way for him to play out his career. He expires, but I could see a cheap resign if things work out.

Best thing is that it would be a trial period this season with the potential of a much better fit. If it works out, you bring these guys back next year. If not, you move on.

[FNQ]

I don't know why people want an even worse shooter than Oubre, and not even a better defender.

I dont know why we're excited about trading expirings for expirings tbh

Lonzo would be easier to retain. Also the endgame for everybody isn't unloading the ammo for your proverbial star. More than one way to skin this cat.

Yeah gotta lock down quality depth like Lonzo Ball if we want that ring!

Stars run the league, thats how it works. 2 teams in the past 20 years haven't had 2-3 megastars on it.. the Pistons and the Mavs. Play the odds, do it smart, dont get sentimental about young players that dont line up with our trajectory

[ILOVEIT]

Ok here’s one of the ways the trade and money works:

Lonzo 11 mil rfa , Reddick 13 mil exp

Oubre 14.3 rfa , Marquese Chriss 1.8 exp, Poole 2.1, Smiley 1.5

Reddick runs the Klay Thompson style of off ball movement. Shooting like crap, hit a change of scenery could be good. Expires, but if things workout they could resign him very cheap.

Lonzo plays defense in the Oubre role, but completely understands ball movement and passing. The shooting is garbage, but he’s a much better fit. And it’s a trial much like Oubre. So if it doesn’t work they can move off of him. Also have to think about salary slot.

It’s an underwhelming move that FITS. The fit is important and you still have flexibility.

New Orleans is extremely cheap. Oubre is expiring, or could carve out a role with the young Pelicans. Seems like he’s a decent fit for those guys. Or they save money on his expiring.

Adding picks would be worriesome. But taking advantage of the poor shooting numbers for Reddick and Lonzo might help to get a deal like this done without having to add picks.

Well HELL yes....

Lonzo can be a supper back up point.....
I would have them both come off the bench actually....and we'd have one of the best bench units in the leauge.

Move Lee or Paschall to staring rotation....

[tarantism]

I dont know why we're excited about trading expirings for expirings tbh

Lonzo would be easier to retain. Also the endgame for everybody isn't unloading the ammo for your proverbial star. More than one way to skin this cat.

Yeah gotta lock down quality depth like Lonzo Ball if we want that ring!

Stars run the league, thats how it works. 2 teams in the past 20 years haven't had 2-3 megastars on it.. the Pistons and the Mavs. Play the odds, do it smart, dont get sentimental about young players that dont line up with our trajectory

Well considering the alternative is hanging on to Kelly Oubre, who actively makes us worse - yeah I have no problem trading for Lonzo who is a better fit and makes our team better now.

If you think we are going to get a better return than Lonzo Ball for KO then you're dreaming. Its a positive move.

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[FNQ]

Lonzo would be easier to retain. Also the endgame for everybody isn't unloading the ammo for your proverbial star. More than one way to skin this cat.

Yeah gotta lock down quality depth like Lonzo Ball if we want that ring!

Stars run the league, thats how it works. 2 teams in the past 20 years haven't had 2-3 megastars on it.. the Pistons and the Mavs. Play the odds, do it smart, dont get sentimental about young players that dont line up with our trajectory

Well considering the alternative is hanging on to Kelly Oubre, who actively makes us worse - yeah I have no problem trading for Lonzo who is a better fit and makes our team better now.

If you think we are going to get a better return than Lonzo Ball for KO then you're dreaming. Its a positive move.

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Lonzo is bench fodder and most importantly, expiring. You cant use S&Ts in trades, and how many guard minutes are we expecting to have available with Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Lee already? Poole already guaranteed money, Mulder is non gtd but cheap as hell. What's Lonzo got to do with our future? If he does well, he leaves for more money. If he doesn't, we don't keep him. His value relative to Oubre doesn't matter - we can cut Oubre if we want to.

If we want a defensive, passing guard let's get Rubio instead, who checks off the exact same boxes Lonzo does but is a 2 year deal at 17-18m.. add Poole and a 2nd to make the salaries dead on even.

[tarantism]

Yeah gotta lock down quality depth like Lonzo Ball if we want that ring!

Stars run the league, thats how it works. 2 teams in the past 20 years haven't had 2-3 megastars on it.. the Pistons and the Mavs. Play the odds, do it smart, dont get sentimental about young players that dont line up with our trajectory

Well considering the alternative is hanging on to Kelly Oubre, who actively makes us worse - yeah I have no problem trading for Lonzo who is a better fit and makes our team better now.

If you think we are going to get a better return than Lonzo Ball for KO then you're dreaming. Its a positive move.

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Lonzo is bench fodder and most importantly, expiring. You cant use S&Ts in trades, and how many guard minutes are we expecting to have available with Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Lee already? Poole already guaranteed money, Mulder is non gtd but cheap as hell. What's Lonzo got to do with our future? If he does well, he leaves for more money. If he doesn't, we don't keep him. His value relative to Oubre doesn't matter - we can cut Oubre if we want to.

If we want a defensive, passing guard let's get Rubio instead, who checks off the exact same boxes Lonzo does but is a 2 year deal at 17-18m.. add Poole and a 2nd to make the salaries dead on even.

We obviously fundamentally disagree, but we already knew that from before.

My question is do you really not see how we could find minutes for Curry/Lonzo/Klay/Wiggins spread between three on court spots? If they all split the minutes equally they would still get 29 minutes each, and that's not accounting for spot minutes with Wigs at the four.

I'm just saying its perfectly feasible.

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[ILOVEIT]

BTW....if it's just one or the other.....then I'm way less interested.

Lonzo is a good bench point guard....but I don't like him at all as a starter....and shooting suffers.

Reddick is a great add for playoffs....depth....but ...

If I can only have one...then I keep Oubre. He's trending up and has been for several years.....Lonzo and Reddick are trending down...

[xdrta+]

BTW....if it's just one or the other.....then I'm way less interested.

Lonzo is a good bench point guard....but I don't like him at all as a starter....and shooting suffers.

Reddick is a great add for playoffs....depth....but ...

If I can only have one...then I keep Oubre. He's trending up and has been for several years.....Lonzo and Reddick are trending down...

Exactly. I think some who are promoting both of them haven't seen much of them this year.

[Mylie10]

BTW....if it's just one or the other.....then I'm way less interested.

Lonzo is a good bench point guard....but I don't like him at all as a starter....and shooting suffers.

Reddick is a great add for playoffs....depth....but ...

If I can only have one...then I keep Oubre. He's trending up and has been for several years.....Lonzo and Reddick are trending down...

Exactly. I think some who are promoting both of them haven't seen much of them this year.

Factor in for context.....Van Gundt yelling all....the effing......time. It grinds on you.

Then figure in the team as a whole. Fair to say both Lonzo and Redick have played like crap this year. No debate on that. But you also have to factor in how they play.

Both thrive better in a ball movement and running style. Redick moves on offense like Klay and Steph. Ball is a great passer and knows how to get shooters the ball.

Oubre is the better player no doubt. But the lack of fit has been clear to me since game 2. Once you realize the fit is bad “D-LO”, you move on.

[ahmetmekin]

We targeted JJ Redick before acquiring Oubre:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2919028-warriors-rumors-jj-redick-targeted-by-golden-state-before-kelly-oubre-trade
So I expect Oubre-Redick swap rather than Ball.

[tarantism]

We targeted JJ Redick before acquiring Oubre:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2919028-warriors-rumors-jj-redick-targeted-by-golden-state-before-kelly-oubre-trade
So I expect Oubre-Redick swap rather than Ball.

I don't get the JJ Redick thing personally. He might be legitimately the worst defender in the entire league. He can't play more than 10-12 minutes a night. Oubre sucks too but moving him for JJ would absolutely make us worse.

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[ILOVEIT]

I'll keep Oubre.

Warriors could easily pick up Redick NEXT year on a vet minimum for a great bench vet.

Lonzo....sigh...Warriors do NOT need to give up a prime rotation spot to a guy that will NEVER be a good shooter. (Oubre's shooting form and release actually look pretty good...he shoots a high percentage from the FT line....so at least he is trending towards becoming a better shooter).

[TB]

Lonzo has a higher career 3 point % than Oubre. Both have been very inconsistent in their careers, but have trended up last season.

But Lonzo will pass the ball to Steph. Thats my deciding factor.

[shazam_guy]

If we want a defensive, passing guard let's get Rubio instead, who checks off the exact same boxes Lonzo does but is a 2 year deal at 17-18m.. add Poole and a 2nd to make the salaries dead on even.

This.

[ChuckDurn]

Lonzo has a higher career 3 point % than Oubre. Both have been very inconsistent in their careers, but have trended up last season.

But Lonzo will pass the ball to Steph. Thats my deciding factor.

And he'll pass the ball to Wiseman, at the right time and place.

And he'll hit Wiggins when he's open.

Lonzo's a playmaker who can run the offense and get people open. As much as we need shooters (which we do), we also need more guys who can actually help optimize the scorers we do have on the team.

[DaHef]

Pels:
Ball
Gabriel
2022 1st

GSW:
Oubre

[wco81]

My guess is that Pelicans don't want to give Lonzo a big extension. They may match but up to a certain point.

He's shooting worst for his career, though only a dozen games so far.

Pels have Bledsoe on the books so they're probably leery about paying $10 million or more a year for an extension for Ball. He' not a good starter right now.

They may end up with a lotto pick again so they could replace him.

No need to give up a lot for Ball.