is Klay done?

[vagelis]

Klay Thompson is misused by his coach.
He is a catch and shooter and he is used like a creator and this exposes him

I am pretty sure he will get a big contract too.
He needs to get a second 200m contract for his performances 7 years before

[Coxy]

I really hate admitting any of our big 3 guys are looking cooked, I have flat out denied it over time, but I think I have to finally realise it with Klay. He's just looking 2-3 steps slower in every facet of the game now. The only thing I think he's still doing well is man defence on players within the 3 point line. The effort there is fine, and his size allows him to be physical. Other than that, almost everything he is doing, or at least has done so far, is just not very good anymore. He used to look like an anomoly of a 3-point shooter as well, now there are players like him on every team that can shoot the 3-ball extremely well.

I'm not sure we even offer him an extention at this point. My greatest hope is that he retires a Warrior soon and accepts his body is what has let him down, and it's just time. The injuries he's had are just brutal. His mindset though is to never give up, so he'll press on trying until his body really lets him down and its an unglorious end for him.

then you must try to orchestrate a trade around his expiring fat contract at the deadline.

Klay is getting 4/120 with the 4 th year as a team option. Book it.

If Bob was in charge, I’d say yeah you’re right. With MDJ now at the helm, he may be very wary about handing that to Klay at the beginning of his reign. It could tie a noose around his neck quickly.

[DonaldSanders]

Klay is getting 4/120 with the 4 th year as a team option. Book it.

Nah, MDJ isn't that dumb. I hope he is instead considering trades.

[GunnerWRX]

You can go through shooting slumps, it happens. But the defensive end is very poole-esque.

I can live with quick guards driving past him.

I just have a hard time watching him mentally zoned out at times.

[DonaldSanders]

I just have a hard time watching him mentally zoned out at times.

He's always been like that, it's just he now doesn't provide elite defense or shooting. And then he tries to compensate for it with playing past his limits with dribble turnovers and bad 2 point shots.

The pouting is post-injury though.

[GunnerWRX]

Klay Thompson is misused by his coach.
He is a catch and shooter and he is used like a creator and this exposes him

I am pretty sure he will get a big contract too.
He needs to get a second 200m contract for his performances 7 years before

He is getting the passes off screens as often as he did. He just don’t take the shots anymore and starts dribbling.

It is plain obvious that he can’t get open as much as he did anymore.

One can blame the screen settings but it is apparent that he is slower and gets a little less space off screens and catch. The less space makes him take fewer catch and shoot, resulting in more dribbling and “play making”.

Don’t really think Kerr asks him to play make when he can get a normal Klay shot. He has the greenest of green light to shoot whenever he’s open. He just isn’t getting those shots anymore.

[Crazy-Canuck]

You can go through shooting slumps, it happens. But the defensive end is very poole-esque.

I can live with quick guards driving past him.

I just have a hard time watching him mentally zoned out at times.

Him guarding bigs because he can't guard on the perimeter is the bigger problem. Because now he won't help, won't box out, and can't rebound. Plus he isnt quick enough to get by plodding bigs on mismatches on the other end.

[Impuniti]

You can go through shooting slumps, it happens. But the defensive end is very poole-esque.

I can live with quick guards driving past him.

I just have a hard time watching him mentally zoned out at times.

Him guarding bigs because he can't guard on the perimeter is the bigger problem. Because now he won't help, won't box out, and can't rebound. Plus he isnt quick enough to get by plodding bigs on mismatches on the other end.

And you have Steph sometimes guarding them and gassing out the 35 year old that you need in April. Recipe for success!

[Warriorfan]

What's the main difference between Klay this year and last.

Offensively he misses 1 more 3 then the past.
Defensively he guards bigs more regularly.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/klay-drtg-career

[GunnerWRX]

Looked at some Klay shooting tracking stats in NBA.com:

3-pt FPA freq that are open (4+ feet closest defender): dropped from 40% of his shots in 22/23 to 34.9% of his shots in 23/24 (i.e. fewer open attempts)
3-pt catch and shoot attempts: dropped from 8.51 per 36 min in 22/23 to 6.56 per 36 min in 23/24

Definitely he is less open on his 3s, and also taking fewer catch and shoot 3s probably because he is less open.

The outcome is fact. There should be no argument. The question is why.

I feel the cause is Klay being slower, but it is also possible that the screens are not as good. However, the starters haven't changed, so Looney and Draymond and the rest of the starters forgetting how to get Klay open is quite unlikely.

[TB]

Looked at some Klay shooting tracking stats in NBA.com:

3-pt FPA freq that are open (4+ feet closest defender): dropped from 40% of his shots in 22/23 to 34.9% of his shots in 23/24 (i.e. fewer open attempts)
3-pt catch and shoot attempts: dropped from 8.51 per 36 min in 22/23 to 6.56 per 36 min in 23/24

Definitely he is less open on his 3s, and also taking fewer catch and shoot 3s probably because he is less open.

The outcome is fact. There should be no argument. The question is why.

I feel the cause is Klay being slower, but it is also possible that the screens are not as good. However, the starters haven't changed, so Looney and Draymond and the rest of the starters forgetting how to get Klay open is quite unlikely.

This is purely a guess without looking into the data... but it feels like pace may be a factor. We are a much slower team this year (for Klay, pace is low with the starters and with CP3), and he is usually a great catch a shoot transition scorer. I know we are old, but part of the benefit of keeping minutes lower should be that we can keep the pace up. Of course, Klay is the one guy Kerr seems to keep over 30mpg for zero reason.

[GunnerWRX]

Looked at some Klay shooting tracking stats in NBA.com:

3-pt FPA freq that are open (4+ feet closest defender): dropped from 40% of his shots in 22/23 to 34.9% of his shots in 23/24 (i.e. fewer open attempts)
3-pt catch and shoot attempts: dropped from 8.51 per 36 min in 22/23 to 6.56 per 36 min in 23/24

Definitely he is less open on his 3s, and also taking fewer catch and shoot 3s probably because he is less open.

The outcome is fact. There should be no argument. The question is why.

I feel the cause is Klay being slower, but it is also possible that the screens are not as good. However, the starters haven't changed, so Looney and Draymond and the rest of the starters forgetting how to get Klay open is quite unlikely.

This is purely a guess without looking into the data... but it feels like pace may be a factor. We are a much slower team this year (for Klay, pace is low with the starters and with CP3), and he is usually a great catch a shoot transition scorer. I know we are old, but part of the benefit of keeping minutes lower should be that we can keep the pace up. Of course, Klay is the one guy Kerr seems to keep over 30mpg for zero reason.

Also a fact that the starter's pace is lower. However, why is it slower? Did they just decide to play slower (same unit)? Or is it because of the starter's pathetic 126.6 defensive rating? Opponent scored. Take it out from the baseline. They can try to push it up but it always zaps the pace out after the other team's made bucket.

[TB]

Looked at some Klay shooting tracking stats in NBA.com:

3-pt FPA freq that are open (4+ feet closest defender): dropped from 40% of his shots in 22/23 to 34.9% of his shots in 23/24 (i.e. fewer open attempts)
3-pt catch and shoot attempts: dropped from 8.51 per 36 min in 22/23 to 6.56 per 36 min in 23/24

Definitely he is less open on his 3s, and also taking fewer catch and shoot 3s probably because he is less open.

The outcome is fact. There should be no argument. The question is why.

I feel the cause is Klay being slower, but it is also possible that the screens are not as good. However, the starters haven't changed, so Looney and Draymond and the rest of the starters forgetting how to get Klay open is quite unlikely.

This is purely a guess without looking into the data... but it feels like pace may be a factor. We are a much slower team this year (for Klay, pace is low with the starters and with CP3), and he is usually a great catch a shoot transition scorer. I know we are old, but part of the benefit of keeping minutes lower should be that we can keep the pace up. Of course, Klay is the one guy Kerr seems to keep over 30mpg for zero reason.

Also a fact that the starter's pace is lower. However, why is it slower? Did they just decide to play slower (same unit)? Or is it because of the starter's pathetic 126.6 defensive rating? Opponent scored. Take it out from the baseline. They can try to push it up but it always zaps the pace out after the other team's made bucket.

Good question and I think you are correct. I'd say defense is definitely a major factor. Last year that unit had a 107 def rating. This year its at 127. Off rating has dropped from 131 to 115. And the pace last year for our starters would rank equivalent to being 8th in league pace.

So it sure seems like bad defense and old legs is playing into the slow play and less good/quick looks.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Looked at some Klay shooting tracking stats in NBA.com:

3-pt FPA freq that are open (4+ feet closest defender): dropped from 40% of his shots in 22/23 to 34.9% of his shots in 23/24 (i.e. fewer open attempts)
3-pt catch and shoot attempts: dropped from 8.51 per 36 min in 22/23 to 6.56 per 36 min in 23/24

Definitely he is less open on his 3s, and also taking fewer catch and shoot 3s probably because he is less open.

The outcome is fact. There should be no argument. The question is why.

I feel the cause is Klay being slower, but it is also possible that the screens are not as good. However, the starters haven't changed, so Looney and Draymond and the rest of the starters forgetting how to get Klay open is quite unlikely.

I think he's struggling to get open because he's slower to move off the ball and screens.

[jozef]

Klay plays OK. Not his best but no disaster either.
People crying about his shooting.
So look at the most reliable stats - True Shooting Percentage:
in 23/24 .541
career .573
(in 21/22 .547)

Deeper look:
in 23/24 2P% .515
career 2P% .489
in 23/24 3P% .347
career 3P% .415

So his 3P% percentage dropped down to league average. It could be just a slump.
I am truly disappointed how many fans here call for moving him away. I hate that coward approach. He is a cornerstone of beautiful offensive machine, a true legend.
While himself getting older his teammates at center became less vertical threat. Not a great rhyming couplet. That's all.

Look at Chris Paul and Andrew Wiggins stats...

[SpreeS]

Klay plays OK. Not his best but no disaster either.
People crying about his shooting.
So look at the most reliable stats - True Shooting Percentage:
in 23/24 .541
career .573
(in 21/22 .547)

Deeper look:
in 23/24 2P% .515
career 2P% .489
in 23/24 3P% .347
career 3P% .415

So his 3P% percentage dropped down to league average. It could be just a slump.
I am truly disappointed how many fans here call for moving him away. I hate that coward approach. He is a cornerstone of beautiful offensive machine, a true legend.
While himself getting older his teammates at center became less vertical threat. Not a great rhyming couplet. That's all.

Look at Chris Paul and Andrew Wiggins stats...

Why are you taking about only shooting? Do you undestand that league went from .541 TS in 2016 to .581 TS in 2023? Do you understand what it means for Klay efficency as scorer?

[superunknown]

Klay plays OK. Not his best but no disaster either.
People crying about his shooting.
So look at the most reliable stats - True Shooting Percentage:
in 23/24 .541
career .573
(in 21/22 .547)

Deeper look:
in 23/24 2P% .515
career 2P% .489
in 23/24 3P% .347
career 3P% .415

So his 3P% percentage dropped down to league average. It could be just a slump.
I am truly disappointed how many fans here call for moving him away. I hate that coward approach. He is a cornerstone of beautiful offensive machine, a true legend.
While himself getting older his teammates at center became less vertical threat. Not a great rhyming couplet. That's all.

Look at Chris Paul and Andrew Wiggins stats...

the game of basketball is not just shooting 3s.
even if his 3 point % hadn't dropped, the rest is just bad.

[jozef]

I talk about shooting cause he is Klay Thompson
League average in TS includes role players who just take easy shots. Say Kevon Looney at .675 matching Steph Curry... Or Draymond at .618.
Look at champs, Jokic at .668 and Murray at .541 - that's exactly Klay true shooting percentage. Whole league knows Klay or Jamal Murray could go for 30+ if they get a room.
There are many other samples.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I'm not worried about klays shooting, he'll get a hot month at some point.

The biggest issue is his defense. And only kerr can fix that, but I dont think he wants to admit there's a problem there.

The second is his insistence on bring a dribble iso guy. This is up to klay. He's still a threat as a catch and shoot floor spacer. He's essential a 40M per year korver if he wants to be.

[Onus]

Klay is a cone on defense. If the other team ever wants to score they just hunt klay and klay just oles them to the hoop. He can't start. But someone has to come and take his spot. BP is going to put in work to try. Hopefully Klay gets a game suspension and Podz starts and we win and Kerr says can't change the lineup now just like how draymond took the starting gig over Lee.