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New poll: With the #7 pick, you would....

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What do you do?

Take Harrison Barnes
22
25%
Take Jared Sullinger
22
25%
Take John Henson
6
7%
Take Perry Jones III
11
13%
Take Damien Lillard
2
2%
Take someone else (assume Davis, MKG, TRob, Drummond, Beal are gone)
6
7%
Trade it - name your trade target
18
21%
 
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Re: New poll: With the #7 pick, you would.... 

Post#61 » by Quazza » Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:54 am

FireNellieQuick wrote:There is only one player that we can draft who would be the BPA and not a need: Beal

We have big needs at 1/4/5.. The best players in that range, projected, are 1/4/5 save the people who are buying the Barnes/Jones' hype. Which says plenty to me.

Marshall would likely be a reach at 7. I have him 7th overall (AD, MKG, Drummond, Sullinger, Henson, Beal) and I'd bet at least one of my top 6 doesnt get taken top 6. Robinson should make sure of that.



Robinson isn't in your top 7??
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Re: New poll: With the #7 pick, you would.... 

Post#62 » by The Maestro » Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:57 am

I would be absolutely ecstatic if Robinson fell to us at 7.
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Post#63 » by FNQ » Fri Jun 1, 2012 4:14 am

No he isnt... Good garbagemen are still garbagemen. I prefer skillsets to what mocks tell me... And Robinson is a limited type player
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Post#64 » by Mylie10 » Fri Jun 1, 2012 4:48 am

floppymoose wrote:Damn, work distracted me from the interview. I *think* Myers basically said it's BPA at 7, despite his "starter at 7" comment earlier.


To clear it up Flop he stated projected starter....not necessarily a starter from day one.

And he also said BPA can mean different things to different people.....ie; some value defemse over offense....some value athleticism over sound fu.damemtals.

He pointed out that Sullinger has been a winner his whole life. Tolbert likes Sullingers footwork and smarts....knowing where to be on the floor, rebounding and post play.

Sullinger has done alot of winning at Ohio State considering he didnt have the luxory of phenominal rosters like Kansas, UNC, Kentucky, etc.
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Post#65 » by Mylie10 » Fri Jun 1, 2012 4:57 am

I love Robinsons motor and has as much skillset as Ghilchrist does......I value Ghilchrist over Robinson too but I believe in the person Thomas Robinson and believe he will get better and better over time.

I also think he'll be the best rebounder right away out of the top picks not named Davis.
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Post#66 » by Coxy » Fri Jun 1, 2012 6:11 am

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Little Digger wrote:Marshall will be the greatest passer in the game for the next 15 years..He's like Andre Miller but with superior court vision. Kendall will still be playing PG in the association at 66 years old.

I'd take him at 7 in a heartbeat. I like him right there with Sully and Henson.

UNC was nothing before he took over the point gaurd position and nothing after he went down.


Easy now. Floppy is pimping him correctly, your take here is a little, well, ridiculous.

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Marshall's already the best passer in the game..Try watching some games. He does have two major flaws which makes taking him at 7 over Sully/Henson questionable, but he's going to be starting in the NBA for years and years.


Best passer in the game? What game, College?, NBA?, Basketball? Best passer in the league for 15 years? You do realize that there are currently less than 10 players currently in the league that have played for more than 15 seasons? You think Marshall will be better than both J Kidd and Nash then?

Sorry dude, your take sucks. Take it as constructive criticism. Try to stay at least realistic in your takes.
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Post#67 » by Jester_ » Fri Jun 1, 2012 2:10 pm

Actually I agree with Digger, Marshall will probably become the best playmaker in the league within a year or two. He's a more natural passer and playmaker than Rubio, who is in my opinion the best young playmaker in the game right now.

The problem with Marshall is that he's completely one-dimensional. He's not a whole lot different from a pure scorer (Jamal Crawford) or a pure rebounder (Reggie Evans) -- excellent role players, not perennial starters.

Marshall will have a similar impact to Jose Calderon, probably not even as much since Jose can shoot and Marshall can't. He'll be a solid player in time, possibly even a starter, but I don't see how he's a justifiable pick over Henson or Sullinger.
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Post#68 » by Left*My*Heart » Fri Jun 1, 2012 2:30 pm

I would love to see Marshall shoot 100 jump shots in front of me. If his form isn't awful, I think he can develop over time a fairly reliable jumper...I draft him, if he is the BPA at 7.

If he needs to completely rebuild his jump shot, then I don't think he will be the BPA at 7.

He draws comparisons to Rondo, the only problem I have with that, is Rondo has the foot speed and quickness that Marshall doesn't. If Marshall doesn't have a jump shot to keep defenses honest, the defenders will just lay off of him. That is my concern.

Speaking of form, MKG has one of the worse jump shooting forms I have seen. Whoever allowed him to develop such an ugly shot, at probably an early age, really messed up. I know he has all the tools to be a very solid player, but anyone needing their SF to spread the floor with the threat of an outside shot will need to work on his shot with him.

This draft has so many guys with huge upsides, huge question marks and fairly large blemishes to their game.
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Post#69 » by old rem » Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:39 pm

The Maestro wrote:I would be absolutely ecstatic if Robinson fell to us at 7.


Probably would cause me to go to church for a month or two. Since GM's do have video of games and can interpret stats...hard to imagine Robinson lasting beyond #5.

Having gone guard last year...and having so little depth at 4/5, I ASSUME GSW goes big,though if Barnes is there at 7, I am sure GSW is tempted.

I think Sullinger is a nice upside guy, a guy able to much help at both C + PF,a guy who AT WORST...is still quite good. He ain't gonna forget how to play. He ain't gonna get small and weak.

I like Zeller. He IS a well schooled and skilled real C with enough mobility -shooting,to play a bit of PF.
If GSW,as we tend to hope, loses the 2013 then has a few yr picking after the lotto, we won't get another 7 footer with his prep and resume.

I LIKE Rush-Wright-McGuire. I like our chances with picks 30-35. I think we'll see future drafts where we can bag another wing if needed. I need GSW to DOMINATE the boards...not be minus 10...not just be almost even. I want a guy in the paint able to score with sheer power and will...yet ALSO a guy who's smart, has fundamentals.


That's Sullinger.
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Post#70 » by Little Digger » Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:40 pm

There's nobody at 2 through 30 in this draft that doesnt have major issues..That's one of two main reasons I'm all for trading the 7 pick..But if there's one player I'd love to trade up for, It's MKG..Love his desire and how he'd fit next to Thompson and Lee. + we don't need him to take a lot of shots. Just do what he does best, finish on the break.

The other point is we need to win NOW. Bogut and Lee are in their primes. We don't have time to wait for our young players to develop. I'm not all that happy about it, would rather build a long-term contender through the draft, but it is what it is. There's no turning back now.
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Post#71 » by whocurrz » Fri Jun 1, 2012 5:33 pm

I like Marshall too. I remember when he was inserted into the UNC lineup and seeing like 2 of the first 3 games and the impact it had. I saw him throw 1/2 court bounce passes between defenders. But like Jester said, he is pretty one dimensional. And Andre Miller with different scoring skillset is a much more accurate comparison. Rondo is an elite athlete and a solid defender. Same with young Kidd and Rubio is a very underrated athlete too. He's a great fast break PG, but I have my concerns about him as a half court PG. He doesn't have the consistent jumper or athleticism to keep defenses honest and will be a turnstile on defense. That being said, I do believe he could be one of the best playmakers in this draft and I think him running an uptempo 2nd unit would be awesome. HOWEVER, I don't pick that at 7 unless I plan on playing a 3 guard rotation heavily in the future with Marshall Curry and Klay. You don't pick a guy at 7 whose role is backup Curry/ play alongside him for about 20 minutes a night. We would have to be committing to more smallball I feel to make a pick like this or moving away from Curry which I think would be a bad move.

I think Marshall goes top 11 to Hornets or Blazers. I think him going to the Hornets would be a great fit. He'd be next to EG (if he resigns which is likely if they have a solid draft) who can shoot, defend and have Davis and Okafor to cover behind him. He'd help these guys get easy buckets. Put in a SF who can shoot and defend (Ariza used to be able to pretty well) and that lineup is playoff bound in 2 years. Plus they could trade Jack for some more help.

A 3rd big, although not a starter is a NEED. As big of a need as a starter IMO. With the perimeter oriented game utilizing lots of pick and roll, you need guys who can defend that, and you need depth to eat up the inevitable fouls. This isn't even accounting for injury as it's very rare that none of your starting C or PF will miss a game all year. A big who provides post offense is as big of a need which is why I'm not quite as high on Sullinger. Yes he'll have great moves, but being an EFFICIENT offensive player is far from a guarantee. Al Jeff has great post moves and a distinctive height advantage and isn't an efficient scorer and just made the playoffs for the first time in his career. If Sully's shot is getting blocked and he's shooting around 50%, I don't think he helps us much and I think he'd be most valuable as a trade chip than anything. Henson with the right lineups, could still give you similar points and rebounds at good efficiency as well as provide great defense. He also fits next to either of our starting bigs. I'd almost rather have Zeller than Sully if we want a post scorer. He has some solid post moves and counter moves, athleticism and is a smart effective player on both sides of the ball. 7 is a bit high for him though.

I don't know if Barnes will even be an upgrade from Rush. He's an inch taller, but Rush is already a solid defender and is great at catch and shoot situations, which is mostly what Barnes provides. A perimeter of Curry Klay and Barnes will get killed defensively.
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Post#72 » by billinder33 » Fri Jun 1, 2012 6:42 pm

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The Maestro wrote:I would be absolutely ecstatic if Robinson fell to us at 7.


Probably would cause me to go to church for a month or two. Since GM's do have video of games and can interpret stats...hard to imagine Robinson lasting beyond #5.

Having gone guard last year...and having so little depth at 4/5, I ASSUME GSW goes big,though if Barnes is there at 7, I am sure GSW is tempted.

I think Sullinger is a nice upside guy, a guy able to much help at both C + PF,a guy who AT WORST...is still quite good. He ain't gonna forget how to play. He ain't gonna get small and weak.

I like Zeller. He IS a well schooled and skilled real C with enough mobility -shooting,to play a bit of PF.
If GSW,as we tend to hope, loses the 2013 then has a few yr picking after the lotto, we won't get another 7 footer with his prep and resume.

I LIKE Rush-Wright-McGuire. I like our chances with picks 30-35. I think we'll see future drafts where we can bag another wing if needed. I need GSW to DOMINATE the boards...not be minus 10...not just be almost even. I want a guy in the paint able to score with sheer power and will...yet ALSO a guy who's smart, has fundamentals.


That's Sullinger.



I don't find myself agreeing with your player evaluations very often, but I do agree with you on Zeller.

He seems to me to be the kind of player that has a very good NBA career ahead of him - prototype size, ok athleticism, good all around position skills, and (at the college level) no glaring holes in his game. I could see Zeller turning into a Spencer Hawes type rotation big. And that's something the W's could definitely use.
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Post#73 » by whocurrz » Fri Jun 1, 2012 7:46 pm

Zeller reminds me a bit of Collison but probably more offensive upside. Smart player who's always on the right spot on the floor, good on defensive rotations, drawing charges and man to man defense, just not a great shotblocker.
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Post#74 » by floppymoose » Fri Jun 1, 2012 8:06 pm

whocurrz wrote:You don't pick a guy at 7 whose role is backup Curry/ play alongside him for about 20 minutes a night.


I don't care where he fits. I don't care how good he'll be next year, on this team. Not one bit. I don't care that Bogut and Lee are in their primes.

I want the player with the best career. We *aren't good enough* to be worried about draft fit.
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Post#75 » by GSForever » Fri Jun 1, 2012 8:41 pm

I don't want Zeller!
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Post#76 » by turk3d » Fri Jun 1, 2012 8:57 pm

You can forget about Zeller. He's apparently going for the big bucks next year:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... a-hoosiers
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Post#77 » by NuWarriors » Fri Jun 1, 2012 9:04 pm

turk3d wrote:You can forget about Zeller. He's apparently going for the big bucks next year:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... a-hoosiers


Wrong Zeller...
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Post#78 » by turk3d » Fri Jun 1, 2012 9:07 pm

Coulda fooled me. :D
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Post#79 » by floppymoose » Fri Jun 1, 2012 10:57 pm

JT: Looking to the NBA, is there any player you model your game after or think you compare well with stylistically?

Kendall Marshall: You know, it's tough. I feel like I have a really unique game, so it's hard to really model my game or take after anyone. There are players I've enjoyed watching, such as Marcus Williams at UConn, Cliff Hawkins at Kentucky; I love watching Rondo now.


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Post#80 » by eden » Fri Jun 1, 2012 11:31 pm

Trade the 7 pick, Bie, and Dorrell to Utah for Jefferson and the 17 pick in round 2.
This would get rid of this stupid draft pick issue.

Give the W's more scoring at PF/C.

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