The Falcon King - The Harrison Barnes Thread Part II

[marthafokker]

If Dubs do not resign anyone, I believe it is 17 mil in cap.

One reason to sign one decent player and go ring chaser route. Wait until 2017 to Bogut and Iggy can sign for cheaper.

Close.

With minimum salary cap holds, around $15M, counting the starters, Iguodala, Livingston, Looney, and 2016 1st round pick.

Renounce Barnes, Ezeli, Speights, Barbosa, Rush, McAdoo, and Clark. The latter 3 could be retained for a slight (~$0.5M) additional cap hit for each player not renounced.

Forfeit Lee TPE ($5.4M - expires 7/27) and Wallace TPE ($3.2M - expires 7/31).

Swap out full MLE ($5.6M) for Room MLE ($2.9M) for 2016-17.

Lose out on BAE ($2.2M) for 2016-17.

Did you count the useless Thompson buyout stretch provision?

[statsman]

Did you count the useless Thompson buyout stretch provision?

Yes. About $15.2M after all the required cap holds (based on the estimated $92M cap for 2016-17).

[kaiballz]

some article is saying that gsw wants to resign HB for 20m. I have NO IDEA whether this is true or nonsense, but that would be the worst off season move for us. HB has been nothing but solid in the finals, and played a huge role for us in our two awesome years, but we can't spend 20m on him. No way. I'm okay with anything but this.

[Left*My*Heart]

some article is saying that gsw wants to resign HB for 20m. I have NO IDEA whether this is true or nonsense, but that would be the worst off season move for us. HB has been nothing but solid in the finals, and played a huge role for us in our two awesome years, but we can't spend 20m on him. No way. I'm okay with anything but this.

This was what Lacob told a reporter in Cleveland; that they had every intention of matching any offer, including a max offer for Barnes. The team is going to do their best to keep this team intact.

However, it was also reported that this announcement might have been made to sway teams away from Barnes knowing the Dubs will match. He also left open an S&T, with some comment regarding not losing him and not getting anything in return.

I think Hoopshype has this rumor on their website.

[BIG FURB]

Remember when Klay signed his $70M deal and everyone was shocked at the price? It's gonna be even worse this offseason and next...and frankly, I don't think there are going to be many "bargains" on the market like people seem to think. It's the reality of the new salary cap. It's going to take big money to sign any player worth a damn.

At least Kay scores 20+ pts a game, with improvement seen every year. What has Barnes really improve on a yearly basis?

Actually mylie posted a couple of shot charts for Barnes that showed a dramatic improvement in his mid range efficiency http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1452431&start=20

I think its safe to assume that if he hadn't suffered that high ankle sprain those numbers would be even better. Whether you notice it or not, he's improving. But on a championship team with established young star players it's not like he's gonna supplant any of those guys. He provides exactly what the coaches demand from him, isn't really required to do more, and the results speak for themselves. Unless of course you wanted him to go out and disrupt team chemistry and get his numbers up just to justify his worth in your mind?

[Left*My*Heart]

Remember when Klay signed his $70M deal and everyone was shocked at the price? It's gonna be even worse this offseason and next...and frankly, I don't think there are going to be many "bargains" on the market like people seem to think. It's the reality of the new salary cap. It's going to take big money to sign any player worth a damn.

At least Kay scores 20+ pts a game, with improvement seen every year. What has Barnes really improve on a yearly basis?

Actually mylie posted a couple of shot charts for Barnes that showed a dramatic improvement in his mid range efficiency http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1452431&start=20

I think its safe to assume that if he hadn't suffered that high ankle sprain those numbers would be even better. Whether you notice it or not, he's improving. But on a championship team with established young star players it's not like he's gonna supplant any of those guys. He provides exactly what the coaches demand from him, isn't really required to do more, and the results speak for themselves. Unless of course you wanted him to go out and disrupt team chemistry and get his numbers up just to justify his worth in your mind?

Don't think he provides exactly what the front office wants out of him. Consistency would be something I would demand and I'm not looking at him putting up huge numbers, just be consistent with his game. There are too many games he disappears in and doesn't insert himself. Some people view that as him being misused in Kerr's system, IMO it's his passive, non aggressive nature that is the issue.

[BIG FURB]

At least Kay scores 20+ pts a game, with improvement seen every year. What has Barnes really improve on a yearly basis?

Actually mylie posted a couple of shot charts for Barnes that showed a dramatic improvement in his mid range efficiency http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1452431&start=20

I think its safe to assume that if he hadn't suffered that high ankle sprain those numbers would be even better. Whether you notice it or not, he's improving. But on a championship team with established young star players it's not like he's gonna supplant any of those guys. He provides exactly what the coaches demand from him, isn't really required to do more, and the results speak for themselves. Unless of course you wanted him to go out and disrupt team chemistry and get his numbers up just to justify his worth in your mind?

Don't think he provides exactly what the front office wants out of him. Consistency would be something I would demand and I'm not looking at him putting up huge numbers, just be consistent with his game. There are too many games he disappears in and doesn't insert himself. Some people view that as him being misused in Kerr's system, IMO it's his passive, non aggressive nature that is the issue.

I don't see this greater role the front office wants out of him. This team is a well oiled machine and he plays a major role in it's most potent lineup. People says he disappears but i just don't think there are many games where he's required to assert himself in that way. He's a role player on this team, you rarely notice role players especially if they're playing their role like they're supposed to. And he does seem to step up in the games that really matter (these finals for example). I don't think he's being misused, just being used as he's needed. On another team he'd likely be required to do more, and that's what his pricetag really is, how much other teams think he's worth to them (and for this team the cost of keeping this dynasty rolling).

[GS Warriors 1]

please please please some other team make this mistake.

[wco81]

He shot poorly.

But so did Curry, so lets not put it all on Barnes.

The whole team **** the bed in the second half.

[prech]

:pray: please please please some other team make this mistake.

Sentiments shared

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[kaiballz]

He shot poorly.

But so did Curry, so lets not put it all on Barnes.

The whole team **** the bed in the second half.

the team wasn't good enough, but we lost much more because of the opponent going insane than our poor play. Irving was flat out unguardable and lebron with a jumper is jordan-esque. Thank goodness him discovering his jumper is a one in a few years event.

[Left*My*Heart]

He shot poorly.

But so did Curry, so lets not put it all on Barnes.

The whole team **** the bed in the second half.

You do realize that they are playing off Barnes and often times have Irving on him? You realize the Cavs are saying to Barnes, go ahead and shoot, we know you will miss? Cavs are elated they have Barnes they can leave alone why they put all their defensive efforts on Klay and Steph.

Life for Klay and Steph would be so much easier if Barnes made them pay for slighting him on the offensive end.

It's not all on Barnes, but again, the Cavs game plan doesn't work if Barnes hits his open shots.

Terrible game by the Warriors, but awful game by Barnes.

[wco81]

Curry was 5-14 from 3. Team was 0-11 for UNCONTESTED 3s in the second half. They were 4-19 on UNCONTESTED 3s in the whole game.

If they hit 3 or 4 of those shots, it's a different game.

You're right, Barnes had good looks, so did Curry.

It will revert to the averages. Irving and Lebron aren't going to shoot like that again. They may shoot well but not lights out.

[and1GS]

They gambled on Barnes being a bad facilitator and missing his shots. Honestly seemed lie a bad bet to me, but the numbers don't truly show how horrid Harrison was. Mucked up many a hand off and missed wide open shots while routinely getting torched on D.

Again, with that said, Curry missed wide open 3s and as the poster above me calls out - if we hit 3-4 of those wide open treys this is a different discussion. But those missed 3s sure are more prominent when your starting 4 scores 5 points on horrid FG% over 38 minutes. At least Kevin Love has the decency to not take shots if he knows he's going to take a ****.

[DynastySS]

2-14 is probably not going to get it done.

[Mylie10]

Ccccombo? Where are you?

[ILOVEIT]

Bye Bye Birdie...had enough of Hoping Barnes shows up offensively.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Barnes has hit a lot of clutch shots but as a 3rd or 4th option who did not have a major responsibility to lead the team to victory. A lot was asked of Barnes yesterday and Barnes mostly failed.

Barnes has been around for a while. He did not progress much this year. The time for waiting for the upside potential to kick in may be over.

On the other hand Barnes may have been held back being on a win now team that made Barnes reluctant to make mistakes while attempting to expand his game. If we Keep Barnes I say keep starting him but also play him with the bench and try to force him to turn himself into a legitimate 1st option on the bench even if that means he is a 25 fg% high volume chucker for a while.

On a side note, have you heard Barnes speak? That guy can have a career in radio if he wants one.

[Left*My*Heart]

Barnes has hit a lot of clutch shots but as a 3rd or 4th option who did not have a major responsibility to lead the team to victory. A lot was asked of Barnes yesterday and Barnes mostly failed.

Barnes has been around for a while. He did not progress much this year. The time for waiting for the upside potential to kick in may be over.

On the other hand Barnes may have been held back being on a win now team that made Barnes reluctant to make mistakes while attempting to expand his game. If we Keep Barnes I say keep starting him but also play him with the bench and try to force him to turn himself into a legitimate 1st option on the bench even if that means he is a 25 fg% high volume chucker for a while.

On a side note, have you heard Barnes speak? That guy can have a career in radio if he wants one.

He is very intelligent and has groomed himself for the press. I agree he can go into a career in broadcasting if he wants when he retires or immediately as far as I'm concerned

He drives me nuts.

[Coxy]

HB hit some key baskets, was 4-5 from behind the arc. Got 8 boards too.

Crickets.

Like I said, Barnes has an absolute abomination of a game and this thread comes to life.

You wanted this thread to be written in, and you got your wish to the detriment of the Warriors.