Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[turk3d]

Barnes is no longer an RFA, he's a UFA. We rescinded the qualifying offer and we have no bird rights on him. I'm not sure if the Barnes deal is official yet though, the official start of FA was only recent. If not he can technically do a DeAndre and back out.

Yeah, I get tht he was recinded and is no longer Warrior property. What I was wondering is whether or not other teams can jump into the mix at this point if they wanted to or whether he's locked into the Mavs deal.

Minor tangent, but important to note that rescinding a RFA's qualifying offer alone doesn't do away with a player's Bird rights (See footnote 7: "If a team withdraws its qualifying offer on or before July 23 it retains its Bird rights to the player" http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44). The team also had to renounce the FA's exception rights, which Golden State did to also renounce Barnes' $9,683,495 Cap Hold to fit KD in cap room.

Since Barnes became a UFA he wasn't locked into the Mavs deal because as a UFA, a player is free to sign with any team of his choosing. Barnes was locked (literally) into the Mavs deal once he signed it:

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Thanks. Kind of what I wa thinking. isn't that what happened with Rashard Lewis essentially?

[jaywalkszzz]

Thanks. Kind of what I wa thinking. isn't that what happened with Rashard Lewis essentially?

Rashard Lewis was never a RFA after his 2 year deal with Miami. Lewis was set to become a UFA in 2014 after that Miami deal. In contrast, Harrison Barnes was set to be a RFA after his rookie scale contract (but became a UFA after his qualifying offer was rescinded and Golden State lost their right of first refusal)

Although Lewis signed with the Mavs as a UFA, the Mavs voided it because he did not pass his physical as Lewis needed knee surgery. http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/07/23/needing-surgery-lewis-out-in-dallas/

[turk3d]

Thanks. Kind of what I wa thinking. isn't that what happened with Rashard Lewis essentially?

Rashard Lewis was never a RFA after his 2 year deal with Miami. Lewis was set to become a UFA in 2014 after that Miami deal. In contrast, Harrison Barnes was set to be a RFA after his rookie scale contract (but became a UFA after his qualifying offer was rescinded and Golden State lost their right of first refusal)

Although Lewis signed with the Mavs as a UFA, the Mavs voided it because he did not pass his physical as Lewis needed knee surgery. http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/07/23/needing-surgery-lewis-out-in-dallas/

I was thinking about when he was with Seattle, before going to Miami.

[jaywalkszzz]

Thanks. Kind of what I wa thinking. isn't that what happened with Rashard Lewis essentially?

Rashard Lewis was never a RFA after his 2 year deal with Miami. Lewis was set to become a UFA in 2014 after that Miami deal. In contrast, Harrison Barnes was set to be a RFA after his rookie scale contract (but became a UFA after his qualifying offer was rescinded and Golden State lost their right of first refusal)

Although Lewis signed with the Mavs as a UFA, the Mavs voided it because he did not pass his physical as Lewis needed knee surgery. http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/07/23/needing-surgery-lewis-out-in-dallas/

I was thinking about when he was with Seattle, before going to Miami.

Lewis' and Barnes' situations were still quite different. Rashard Lewis became a RFA in 2000 after being a 2 year veteran coming off a non-rookie scale minimum contract in Seattle; according to the following link, Lewis signed with Seattle (his original team) as a RFA and not as an UFA. In contrast, Barnes became a RFA after completing his four year rookie-scale contract, rescinded to an UFA, and signed as an UFA with a new team.

(http://www.apbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3456). Not sure how credible the source, but a possible gem for old school data.

[Dubs_R_Us]

Damn, OKC got Joffrey Lauvergne for 2 2nd rounders. I really like the guy but I guess we still don't have any 2nd rounders for a while. Nice pickup for OKC and gives them a promising player to step in if they free up minutes by choosing to trade Kanter.

[Andre Roberstan]

Damn, OKC got Joffrey Lauvergne for 2 2nd rounders. I really like the guy but I guess we still don't have any 2nd rounders for a while. Nice pickup for OKC and gives them a promising player to step in if they free up minutes by choosing to trade Kanter.

Much, much more likely that he's a McGary replacement, though freeing up Kanter's cap space would be nice. From what I've heard Mitch could be on the way out—pot/injury/attitude have derailed his career.

[Commodor]

Okay so I'm bored and wanted to just post a hypothetical based on the random off-season BS rumors flying around. I know there's an AD-Draymond thread somewhere but I dont know where. I know there's plenty of people on this forum who wouldn't trade Dray for AD, but this is just hypothetical and for fun so dont cut my head off please. Just want to talk some dubs until training camp begins

So here it is..

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6719092

Trade Summary

GSW Out: Draymond + Livingston
GSW In: AD
Why?: You guys know the narrative. AD is really good. Draymond kicks people. Livingston is gone next year anyways. Definitely a steep price for a great player. Screws our depth.

NOLA Out: AD+Tyreke Evans
NOLA IN: Draymond Green+Nerlen Noel
Why?: From what I understand Gentry was the main Green supporter here. Nerlen Noel is already being discussed. Tyreke Evans leaving opens the door for Hield to start. Draymond and Noel is a very nice young 4-5 combo and both are young and set for the long term.

Philly Out: Nerlens Noel
Phily In: Shaun Livingston+Tyreke Evans
Why?: May need to throw the Dallas 2nd in and a NOLA 2nd. Gives them a stable veteran leadership to distribute the ball. Both are expiring at the end of the year so that money can be used to retain them if desired or try and land another fish this off season.

Thoughts? Remember this is just for fun to pass the time until the season starts. I do not expect this to happen.

[KidPistol]

Okay so I'm bored and wanted to just post a hypothetical based on the random off-season BS rumors flying around. I know there's an AD-Draymond thread somewhere but I dont know where. I know there's plenty of people on this forum who wouldn't trade Dray for AD, but this is just hypothetical and for fun so dont cut my head off please. Just want to talk some dubs until training camp begins

So here it is..

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6719092

Trade Summary

GSW Out: Draymond + Livingston
GSW In: AD
Why?: You guys know the narrative. AD is really good. Draymond kicks people. Livingston is gone next year anyways. Definitely a steep price for a great player. Screws our depth.

NOLA Out: AD+Tyreke Evans
NOLA IN: Draymond Green+Nerlen Noel
Why?: From what I understand Gentry was the main Green supporter here. Nerlen Noel is already being discussed. Tyreke Evans leaving opens the door for Hield to start. Draymond and Noel is a very nice young 4-5 combo and both are young and set for the long term.

Philly Out: Nerlens Noel
Phily In: Shaun Livingston+Tyreke Evans
Why?: May need to throw the Dallas 2nd in and a NOLA 2nd. Gives them a stable veteran leadership to distribute the ball. Both are expiring at the end of the year so that money can be used to retain them if desired or try and land another fish this off season.

Thoughts? Remember this is just for fun to pass the time until the season starts. I do not expect this to happen.

Lol so this is pretty much a "Wreck Any Chance of Philly Having Some Sort of Team" trade. Philly declines this 101 times out of 100. It's pretty much Shaun Livingston and Tyreke Evans (lol) for one of the best defensive bigs in the league. Not happening. New Orleans and Golden State would both have to add their 2017 first for Philadelphia to even consider this trade.


I have a better idea. Since the Dubs are in win now mode, they can trade their 2017 first and a filler for Tyson Chandler. This guy would pretty much help the Dubs regain that pick and roll advantage over most teams again.

[Commodor]

Okay so I'm bored and wanted to just post a hypothetical based on the random off-season BS rumors flying around. I know there's an AD-Draymond thread somewhere but I dont know where. I know there's plenty of people on this forum who wouldn't trade Dray for AD, but this is just hypothetical and for fun so dont cut my head off please. Just want to talk some dubs until training camp begins

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Thoughts? Remember this is just for fun to pass the time until the season starts. I do not expect this to happen.

Lol so this is pretty much a "Wreck Any Chance of Philly Having Some Sort of Team" trade. Philly declines this 101 times out of 100. It's pretty much Shaun Livingston and Tyreke Evans (lol) for one of the best defensive bigs in the league. Not happening. New Orleans and Golden State would both have to add their 2017 first for Philadelphia to even consider this trade.


I have a better idea. Since the Dubs are in win now mode, they can trade their 2017 first and a filler for Tyson Chandler. This guy would pretty much help the Dubs regain that pick and roll advantage over most teams again.

Would love me some Chandler, but are we allowed to trade our pick? I know we don't have one until 2019, but if so I could get on that. But Chandler's contract be too much? 2 more years after this? I doubt we'd take on a contract that big for a player on that level right before Curry and KD come free.

But also for the sake of conversation, I thought there were already rumors centered around Noel for Evans+fillers? Maybe I imagined it, but i'd guess that NOLA would rather just give up Tyreke than him + other assets(assuming AD for Green+Noel is enough for them). Also Nerlen Noel is in a contract year, if philly decides its time to compete rather than tank this move would give them fantastic depth at almost all positions and the opportunity to put a lot of ball handling duties in vet hands.

Livingston/Bayless/Rodriguez
Covington/Tyreke/Stauskas
Simmons/Hollis Thompson/Grant
Okafor/Saric/Holmes
Embiid/Okafor/Brand

I agree that a couple picks would probably make this deal closer to a reality, but I didn't think the warriors were capable of facilitating.

[Andre Roberstan]

Okay so I'm bored and wanted to just post a hypothetical based on the random off-season BS rumors flying around. I know there's an AD-Draymond thread somewhere but I dont know where. I know there's plenty of people on this forum who wouldn't trade Dray for AD, but this is just hypothetical and for fun so dont cut my head off please. Just want to talk some dubs until training camp begins

...

Thoughts? Remember this is just for fun to pass the time until the season starts. I do not expect this to happen.

Lol so this is pretty much a "Wreck Any Chance of Philly Having Some Sort of Team" trade. Philly declines this 101 times out of 100. It's pretty much Shaun Livingston and Tyreke Evans (lol) for one of the best defensive bigs in the league. Not happening. New Orleans and Golden State would both have to add their 2017 first for Philadelphia to even consider this trade.


I have a better idea. Since the Dubs are in win now mode, they can trade their 2017 first and a filler for Tyson Chandler. This guy would pretty much help the Dubs regain that pick and roll advantage over most teams again.

Would love me some Chandler, but are we allowed to trade our pick? I know we don't have one until 2019, but if so I could get on that. But Chandler's contract be too much? 2 more years after this? I doubt we'd take on a contract that big for a player on that level right before Curry and KD come free.

But also for the sake of conversation, I thought there were already rumors centered around Noel for Evans+fillers? Maybe I imagined it, but i'd guess that NOLA would rather just give up Tyreke than him + other assets(assuming AD for Green+Noel is enough for them). Also Nerlen Noel is in a contract year, if philly decides its time to compete rather than tank this move would give them fantastic depth at almost all positions and the opportunity to put a lot of ball handling duties in vet hands.

Livingston/Bayless/Rodriguez
Covington/Tyreke/Stauskas
Simmons/Hollis Thompson/Grant
Okafor/Saric/Holmes
Embiid/Okafor/Brand

I agree that a couple picks would probably make this deal closer to a reality, but I didn't think the warriors were capable of facilitating.

Tyreke, per Smitty, is basically available for free right now. It's an open question whether he has knees left, and he's already set to miss a decent chunk of the season. His value is nonexistent. KidPistol is right, no way Philly even considers it. If they did, Danny Ainge would be on the phone offering more as soon as it happened.

AD is one of probably 10 or so players in the NBA that's utterly untouchable. New Orleans has literally nothing if they move him, and Dray/Noel only means that they lose games by 10 points instead of 20 if they trade AD away.

GSW has no realistic way to aggregate enough salary to trade for Chandler. He's making $12mil this year, so unless you're moving Curry or Iggy for him the salary flat doesn't work, regardless of whether the first is tradeable or not.

Even if you did for some reason trade Iggy for Chandler, it cuts massively into the cap space available next year and basically makes it impossible to re-sign both Curry and Durant.

[Left*My*Heart]

The only way we get Chandler is he works out a buyout with the Suns and we get him for the vets minimum.

There is no chance that Iguodala is being traded period. People don't understand that besides not getting back equal value, you would be alienating at least Curry, who is extremely tight with him. Durant wouldn't be happy with that either. The last thing you want to do is piss Curry off in a contract year and that would do it.

The only deals to discuss are minor ones, because of our salary restraints going forward. The front office isn't making a trade that affects their ability to re-sign Curry and Durant.

[old rem]

Okay......We did trade our 2017 #1.. which means 2018 also can't be traded. T Chandler? We HAVE 4 centers (not even counting Dray) and T Chandler is.....not young....not durable...not cheap......and Not gonna be a guy we get.

[rzzzzz]

i think Noel is a perfect fit for GSW, and he's trying to force Colangelo's hand. (elective surgery?) Sixers desperately need 3 and D in the back court, and might be induced to trade starter talent for a promising 2nd prospect, along with next year's pick.

[Left*My*Heart]

i think Noel is a perfect fit for GSW, and he's trying to force Colangelo's hand. (elective surgery?) Sixers desperately need 3 and D in the back court, and might be induced to trade starter talent for a promising 2nd prospect, along with next year's pick.

Utah has our pick for 2017.

I disagree that Noel is a perfect fit. Warriors like to run a portion of their offense through the 5 and nothing tells me that Noel fits that. You also have the pick and rolls and pops and I'm not sure how good of a screen setter Noel is. He has limited range as well.

Some of these things can be worked on, but I personally think that overall he is a bad fit.

The reason we are giving him a lot of attention is due to his shot blocking and also being a good rebounder.

My hesitation with Noel is his up and coming contract and what that means for re-signing guys. I think it would mean not re-signing Iguodala and Livingston, with no idea what our bench would look like.

[Phase 3]

i think Noel is a perfect fit for GSW, and he's trying to force Colangelo's hand. (elective surgery?) Sixers desperately need 3 and D in the back court, and might be induced to trade starter talent for a promising 2nd prospect, along with next year's pick.

He'd be a clear upgrade from Zaza, thats for sure. I would love to get Noel if he's available.

[Left*My*Heart]

i think Noel is a perfect fit for GSW, and he's trying to force Colangelo's hand. (elective surgery?) Sixers desperately need 3 and D in the back court, and might be induced to trade starter talent for a promising 2nd prospect, along with next year's pick.

He'd be a clear upgrade from Zaza, thats for sure. I would love to get Noel if he's available.

Have you looked at the cap ramifications for next off season by trading for Noel? Unless he is a one year rental, which some people are okay with if it brings a championship. Noel has his warts, but I agree he is a clear upgrade over Zaza.

However, what about Jones? I frankly rather see what I have with Jones, especially if it means I can upgrade the roster next off season, especially by adding to the bench.

Depending on who you are willing to trade, I question chemistry even more by getting Noel.

I'm just not sure the future expense is worth it?

[Phase 3]

i think Noel is a perfect fit for GSW, and he's trying to force Colangelo's hand. (elective surgery?) Sixers desperately need 3 and D in the back court, and might be induced to trade starter talent for a promising 2nd prospect, along with next year's pick.

He'd be a clear upgrade from Zaza, thats for sure. I would love to get Noel if he's available.

Have you looked at the cap ramifications for next off season by trading for Noel? Unless he is a one year rental, which some people are okay with if it brings a championship. Noel has his warts, but I agree he is a clear upgrade over Zaza.

However, what about Jones? I frankly rather see what I have with Jones, especially if it means I can upgrade the roster next off season, especially by adding to the bench.

Depending on who you are willing to trade, I question chemistry even more by getting Noel.

I'm just not sure the future expense is worth it?

Yeah I have looked at the cap stuff for next year...I'm not sold on Livingston and/or Iguodala being here after this year. Maybe Iguodala comes back if he's willing to take a VERY team friendly contract...but I don't want to get sidetracked on next year at the moment. This is a make or break year for this team IMO. Which is why I'm more inclined to go and get a solid center if one becomes available. Centers are very hard to get and I don't think you can roll the dice on Damian Jones being the answer. That's just my opinion and I'm not just basing it off last nights game(although last night was a perfect example of Zaza's limitations). Some of the other flaws(lack of bench scoring) can be remedied easier than finding a center to go to battle with in the playoffs. Zaza and company are fine for the regular season, but I'm not thrilled about him being the starting center come playoff time.

[Left*My*Heart]

He'd be a clear upgrade from Zaza, thats for sure. I would love to get Noel if he's available.

Have you looked at the cap ramifications for next off season by trading for Noel? Unless he is a one year rental, which some people are okay with if it brings a championship. Noel has his warts, but I agree he is a clear upgrade over Zaza.

However, what about Jones? I frankly rather see what I have with Jones, especially if it means I can upgrade the roster next off season, especially by adding to the bench.

Depending on who you are willing to trade, I question chemistry even more by getting Noel.

I'm just not sure the future expense is worth it?

Yeah I have looked at the cap stuff for next year...I'm not sold on Livingston and/or Iguodala being here after this year. Maybe Iguodala comes back if he's willing to take a VERY team friendly contract...but I don't want to get sidetracked on next year at the moment. This is a make or break year for this team IMO. Which is why I'm more inclined to go and get a solid center if one becomes available. Centers are very hard to get and I don't think you can roll the dice on Damian Jones being the answer. That's just my opinion and I'm not just basing it off last nights game(although last night was a perfect example of Zaza's limitations). Some of the other flaws(lack of bench scoring) can be remedied easier than finding a center to go to battle with in the playoffs. Zaza and company are fine for the regular season, but I'm not thrilled about him being the starting center come playoff time.

Not sure about the make or break season. I understand the panic, but I don't care for the repercussions for the future. If Noel came cheap enough, I'm willing to give up McCaw and a 2019 first round pick, I would be open. Shooting our wad on this season, without considering the future is concerning. There are already those that have us losing one of the big 4 within the next couple of seasons because of the cap. Now we max out Noel at 23 mil, is he worth it?

I really believe this team will be okay as is, especially when Jones returns.

[Phase 3]

Have you looked at the cap ramifications for next off season by trading for Noel? Unless he is a one year rental, which some people are okay with if it brings a championship. Noel has his warts, but I agree he is a clear upgrade over Zaza.

However, what about Jones? I frankly rather see what I have with Jones, especially if it means I can upgrade the roster next off season, especially by adding to the bench.

Depending on who you are willing to trade, I question chemistry even more by getting Noel.

I'm just not sure the future expense is worth it?

Yeah I have looked at the cap stuff for next year...I'm not sold on Livingston and/or Iguodala being here after this year. Maybe Iguodala comes back if he's willing to take a VERY team friendly contract...but I don't want to get sidetracked on next year at the moment. This is a make or break year for this team IMO. Which is why I'm more inclined to go and get a solid center if one becomes available. Centers are very hard to get and I don't think you can roll the dice on Damian Jones being the answer. That's just my opinion and I'm not just basing it off last nights game(although last night was a perfect example of Zaza's limitations). Some of the other flaws(lack of bench scoring) can be remedied easier than finding a center to go to battle with in the playoffs. Zaza and company are fine for the regular season, but I'm not thrilled about him being the starting center come playoff time.

Not sure about the make or break season. I understand the panic, but I don't care for the repercussions for the future. If Noel came cheap enough, I'm willing to give up McCaw and a 2019 first round pick, I would be open. Shooting our wad on this season, without considering the future is concerning. There are already those that have us losing one of the big 4 within the next couple of seasons because of the cap. Now we max out Noel at 23 mil, is he worth it?

I really believe this team will be okay as is, especially when Jones returns.

Fair enough. When I say "make or break", I mean there is no way of knowing whether or not Durant will stick around if things don't work out this year. Plus, Curry is a free agent after this year...and while I don't think he'll leave, you just never know until he signs the contract. Anyways, I think you make good points and I'm not saying it's an easy decision. But if something like you proposed(Mccaw and a first) could land you a talented center, I think it's worth serious consideration.

[clyde21]

Yeah I have looked at the cap stuff for next year...I'm not sold on Livingston and/or Iguodala being here after this year. Maybe Iguodala comes back if he's willing to take a VERY team friendly contract...but I don't want to get sidetracked on next year at the moment. This is a make or break year for this team IMO. Which is why I'm more inclined to go and get a solid center if one becomes available. Centers are very hard to get and I don't think you can roll the dice on Damian Jones being the answer. That's just my opinion and I'm not just basing it off last nights game(although last night was a perfect example of Zaza's limitations). Some of the other flaws(lack of bench scoring) can be remedied easier than finding a center to go to battle with in the playoffs. Zaza and company are fine for the regular season, but I'm not thrilled about him being the starting center come playoff time.

Not sure about the make or break season. I understand the panic, but I don't care for the repercussions for the future. If Noel came cheap enough, I'm willing to give up McCaw and a 2019 first round pick, I would be open. Shooting our wad on this season, without considering the future is concerning. There are already those that have us losing one of the big 4 within the next couple of seasons because of the cap. Now we max out Noel at 23 mil, is he worth it?

I really believe this team will be okay as is, especially when Jones returns.

Fair enough. When I say "make or break", I mean there is no way of knowing whether or not Durant will stick around if things don't work out this year. Plus, Curry is a free agent after this year...and while I don't think he'll leave, you just never know until he signs the contract. Anyways, I think you make good points and I'm not saying it's an easy decision. But if something like you proposed(Mccaw and a first) could land you a talented center, I think it's worth serious consideration.

0 chance Durant leaves.