way too early Philly speculation

[cpower]

ok, I'm guessing you just see Wiseman as having reached his potential and will be an inefficient chucker for his entire career.

he is now, unless he proves otherwise. if you gamble the franchise on wiseman might as well trade Curry and Klay too.

Yeah, there are only two options, hate on Wiseman or trade Steph and Klay.

because he is one of the worst players in this league right now, are we trying to win now or are we trying to wait for his development?

[lars_rosenberg]

Question: Would the board rather have Wiseman or Simmons? Both have growth-deficiencies; yet, both have huge upsides. Simmons is still on 24-years old and Wiseman is on 20-years old.

It depends on who is given up clear cap space for Simmons. In a vacuum Simmons is by far the better player, it's foolish to even entertain the discussion.
Counting in his 30 million salary and his lack of fit with Draymond, you have to wonder what's the real price for such an upgrade.
So I can't answer unless you place Simmons within a roster.

[Impuniti]

You can't have Simmons and Dray on the same team, that's just a recipe for disaster, a 60m+/year one.

[sonnyhill]

Great thread and great points made by all.

Bob Myers has his work cut out for himself as the team is at a crossroads and will need to improve its roster in a manner where pieces/players are complimentary.

The whole Wiseman conversation is most perplexing as I do not believe that we know, yet, what kind of player he will become (and what is the timeline/timetable?). Is he going to be more like Garnett, a tenacious power forward/center who can dominate the paint (I can't see this); more like Ralph Sampson (hopefully, without the injury legacy (and can play effectively at both ends of the floor with unique inside-outside skills (my hope))); or more like Patrick "the Chef" O'Bryant?

Simmons, even with his most recent setbacks, looked really good this past season when Embiid was injured and out of the lineup; as he, Simmons, actually flourished within the Sixer offense.

[ILOVEIT]

Great thread and great points made by all.

Bob Myers has his work cut out for himself as the team is at a crossroads and will need to improve its roster in a manner where pieces/players are complimentary.

The whole Wiseman conversation is most perplexing as I do not believe that we know, yet, what kind of player he will become (and what is the timeline/timetable?). Is he going to be more like Garnett, a tenacious power forward/center who can dominate the paint (I can't see this); more like Ralph Sampson (hopefully, without the injury legacy (and can play effectively at both ends of the floor with unique inside-outside skills (my hope))); or more like Patrick "the Chef" O'Bryant?

Simmons, even with his most recent setbacks, looked really good this past season when Embiid was injured and out of the lineup; as he, Simmons, actually flourished within the Sixer offense.

We just saw Simmons under pressure in the playoffs ... and we saw it last year. And we saw it the year before.

Is this going to be where we all ignore that he can't shoot Ft's...can't shoot at all...spend the next two years frustrated even more than we are with Draymond....

PASS...please. I have no doubt that we could have Simmons tomorrow for Draymond. But why on earth would be trade an all defensive guy who actually has a motor...for a pouting enigma.

[Impuniti]

I agree with ILOVEIT. Guy is a literal liability in the last 5 minutes of a game. Dray has been diabolical in some games this year, but usually he's clutch when working with elite players. Imagine being 5 mins in a 99-99 score vs the Lakers in a WCFinals, and Simmons goes off because they start fouling him.

Not only does he leave because he's an embarrassment, but Warriors lose a ton of defense because Benny boy can't hit a free throw. Good recipe for losing a championship chance. On top of that, he's 7-8m more per year according to his contract.

[sonnyhill]

I agree with ILOVEIT. Guy is a literal liability in the last 5 minutes of a game. Dray has been diabolical in some games this year, but usually he's clutch when working with elite players. Imagine being 5 mins in a 99-99 score vs the Lakers in a WCFinals, and Simmons goes off because they start fouling him.

Not only does he leave because he's an embarrassment, but Warriors lose a ton of defense because Benny boy can't hit a free throw. Good recipe for losing a championship chance. On top of that, he's 7-8m more per year according to his contract.

Draymond is also money at the free throw line, too.

[cpower]

I agree with ILOVEIT. Guy is a literal liability in the last 5 minutes of a game. Dray has been diabolical in some games this year, but usually he's clutch when working with elite players. Imagine being 5 mins in a 99-99 score vs the Lakers in a WCFinals, and Simmons goes off because they start fouling him.

Not only does he leave because he's an embarrassment, but Warriors lose a ton of defense because Benny boy can't hit a free throw. Good recipe for losing a championship chance. On top of that, he's 7-8m more per year according to his contract.

Draymond is also money at the free throw line, too.

Draymond is money when it matters
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201606190GSW.html

[The-Power]

I have to admit that I am still intrigued by Simmons.

One and only one way he fits is if we trade Dray. Impossible to play two non shooting bigs together.

Yeah, we really sucked with Draymond and Looney on the court. Our ORTG was only 121 with a net rating of +12.9. And who doesn't remember our dark days with Andrew Bogut at the 5. Or JaVale McGee.

[Impuniti]

I have to admit that I am still intrigued by Simmons.

One and only one way he fits is if we trade Dray. Impossible to play two non shooting bigs together.

Yeah, we really sucked with Draymond and Looney on the court. Our ORTG was only 121 with a net rating of +12.9.

Yes and Ben averaged 14 PPG during RS and 5 in the PS where they got bounced because he was an unreliable player on top of his FT cratering.

[The-Power]

Yes and Ben averaged 14 PPG during RS and 5 in the PS where they got bounced because he was an unreliable player on top of his FT cratering.

Doesn't change the fact that you can play two non-shooting bigs and be successful on offense.

[ILOVEIT]

Yes and Ben averaged 14 PPG during RS and 5 in the PS where they got bounced because he was an unreliable player on top of his FT cratering.

Doesn't change the fact that you can play two non-shooting bigs and be successful on offense.

I know you are strictly arguing that you can play two defense players and still be affective...
BUT
Draymond and Looney are two uber clutch uber high IQ players who can hit FT's in a pinch. Both will actually shoot in a pinch.

BTW...Draymond HAS to have his roll on offense to counter what he doesn't do scoring wise. He's out best distributor.

What it comes down to it...you can't have Draymond....who runs the offense 60% of the time...but doesn't score
AND
Simmons....running the offense...and not scoring. Having Simmons on the team and he's not EVEN facilitating....wtf is the point then?

[Impuniti]

Yes and Ben averaged 14 PPG during RS and 5 in the PS where they got bounced because he was an unreliable player on top of his FT cratering.

Doesn't change the fact that you can play two non-shooting bigs and be successful on offense.

but you literally can't, we are seeing Trash Simmons get subbed out of the games during the 4th quarter which is generally when you would need him the most.

[and1GS]

For as much as we crap on Draymond's offense, he is at worst a 70% FT shooter - so not a 'hack-a' target. If you're a primary ball handler whose calling card is defense, you have to be out there in crunch time. However, if you're a career 60% FT shooter (and 33% in the playoffs this year!) like Ben is, you are basically useless to your team. And you can't really play him in a Bogut role (set up at the elbow, distribute) at the 5 because it takes away the drive and dish assists he's so good at.

We get away with Draymond being so inept on offense because he plays the 5 when it matters and operates roughly around the elbow. Ben does not and would not on our team. I loved Ben before these playoffs, but I'm selling all my stock on him.

[sonnyhill]

For as much as we crap on Draymond's offense, he is at worst a 70% FT shooter - so not a 'hack-a' target. If you're a primary ball handler whose calling card is defense, you have to be out there in crunch time. However, if you're a career 60% FT shooter (and 33% in the playoffs this year!) like Ben is, you are basically useless to your team. And you can't really play him in a Bogut role (set up at the elbow, distribute) at the 5 because it takes away the drive and dish assists he's so good at.

We get away with Draymond being so inept on offense because he plays the 5 when it matters and operates roughly around the elbow. Ben does not and would not on our team. I loved Ben before these playoffs, but I'm selling all my stock on him.

Great analysis!

Can the Warriors and Draymond get his offensive game to be more like it was before the arrival of KD? If so, then when he is paired on the floor with Looney, it is not so painful.

As for Simmons, it is just sad to see a player with his aptitude and skills to be fearful to shoot the ball. Wow...I have never seen anything like this.

[Scoots1994]

For as much as we crap on Draymond's offense, he is at worst a 70% FT shooter - so not a 'hack-a' target. If you're a primary ball handler whose calling card is defense, you have to be out there in crunch time. However, if you're a career 60% FT shooter (and 33% in the playoffs this year!) like Ben is, you are basically useless to your team. And you can't really play him in a Bogut role (set up at the elbow, distribute) at the 5 because it takes away the drive and dish assists he's so good at.

We get away with Draymond being so inept on offense because he plays the 5 when it matters and operates roughly around the elbow. Ben does not and would not on our team. I loved Ben before these playoffs, but I'm selling all my stock on him.

Just had an idea and thought this was interesting.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=rondora01&p1yrfrom=2017&player_id2=greendr01&p2yrfrom=2021

30 year old Rondo vs 30 year old Dray.

[mos_def]

Did you guys see the WIndhorst report that the Ben Simmons camp has stated they are toying with switching his shooting hand?

[Sam Lowry Jr]

Did you guys see the WIndhorst report that the Ben Simmons camp has stated they are toying with switching his shooting hand?

Rick Barry underhanded fts should be added too tbh.

[cdubbz]

For as much as we crap on Draymond's offense, he is at worst a 70% FT shooter - so not a 'hack-a' target. If you're a primary ball handler whose calling card is defense, you have to be out there in crunch time. However, if you're a career 60% FT shooter (and 33% in the playoffs this year!) like Ben is, you are basically useless to your team. And you can't really play him in a Bogut role (set up at the elbow, distribute) at the 5 because it takes away the drive and dish assists he's so good at.

We get away with Draymond being so inept on offense because he plays the 5 when it matters and operates roughly around the elbow. Ben does not and would not on our team. I loved Ben before these playoffs, but I'm selling all my stock on him.

Great analysis!

Can the Warriors and Draymond get his offensive game to be more like it was before the arrival of KD? If so, then when he is paired on the floor with Looney, it is not so painful.

As for Simmons, it is just sad to see a player with his aptitude and skills to be fearful to shoot the ball. Wow...I have never seen anything like this.

Markell’s Fultz all of a sudden forgetting how to shoot was very strange! What’s going on in Philly?

Wiggins can at least shoot jumpers and fits with our roster. I’m definitely intrigued on getting Simmons for ‘cheap’ but got to wonder where his confidence is. Maybe as a 3rd option he gains confidence.

[sonnyhill]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/colin-cowherd-says-theres-1-perfect-team-for-ben-simmons/ar-AALhCUB?li=BBnbfcL

Colin Cowherd Says There’s 1 ‘Perfect’ Team For Ben Simmons
Alek Arend

If Colin Cowherd were running the Golden State Warriors, he’d make an all-out push to acquire one player this off-season: Ben Simmons.

It seems inevitable the Philadelphia 76ers move on from Simmons at some point ahead of the 2021-22 season. He simply doesn’t fit in with Philly’s strategy and can’t be relied upon as a true No. 2 option.

So why the Warriors? First, Draymond Green’s getting older and Simmons would be much improved at the position for Golden State (at least on offense). If the Warriors plugged Simmons into Green’s spot, he’d also prove to be a better assist man, which is critical for a team led by lethal shooters in Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson.

Cowherd thinks it’s a no-brainer. The Warriors should do everything they can to acquire Simmons this off-season.

“I’ll say this again. Golden State is perfect,” Cowherd said in regards to a landing spot for Simmons, via The Herd. “Steph on one side. Klay on the other. He’d be a bigger Draymond Green.”

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Ben Simmons would be an excellent addition for the Warriors. He’d make life even easier Steph Curry and Klay Thompson.

The Warriors are hoping to milk one or two more great years out of Curry and Thompson. It’ll all depend on whether or not Thompson can return to his prior self after suffering multiple injuries these past few years.

Were the Warriors to acquire Simmons, they’d become younger and probably better.

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