Training camp 2021

[FNQ]

JTA has won me over for having him on the roster, but he is a third string big at best in the nba. Personally would rather see OPJ get back up PF minutes and would rather see Beli at C than JTA at either of those spots. Love JTA's hustle and passion though. He's like a poor man's draymond.

They’re gonna Lin this guy.. we never learn. Latch on to a nice story and then completely overrate what they are

He’s a great spark plug if we can’t get anything going with the regular rotation, just like last year when Oubre and the Cs went down.. throwing him into a lineup that’s going to have serious creation/rebounding issues abs will be very perimeter oriented is gonna be a crapshoot every night

Hitting 40% of his 3s makes him more useful even if he's not special.

All he has to do is be wide open and play with the starters.

His shot is a mess and frankly looks worse than Draymond's. Who hit 39% one year too! But how many players with inconsistent form and a long windup actually shoot well? Regression is coming for JTA as a jumpshooter. If he was anywhere near a 40% shooter in anyone's mind, he'd not have resigned for the minimum. He's historically gone from as low as 29% to as high as 37% (both with easier competition and shorter 3s).

Honestly will be interesting to see if he can beat Draymond at % this year... I wouldnt put him at Kuminga levels, but its way more likely he gets there than 40% again. And thankfully, he's aware of that.

[Scoots1994]

They’re gonna Lin this guy.. we never learn. Latch on to a nice story and then completely overrate what they are

He’s a great spark plug if we can’t get anything going with the regular rotation, just like last year when Oubre and the Cs went down.. throwing him into a lineup that’s going to have serious creation/rebounding issues abs will be very perimeter oriented is gonna be a crapshoot every night

Hitting 40% of his 3s makes him more useful even if he's not special.

All he has to do is be wide open and play with the starters.

His shot is a mess and frankly looks worse than Draymond's. Who hit 39% one year too! But how many players with inconsistent form and a long windup actually shoot well? Regression is coming for JTA as a jumpshooter. If he was anywhere near a 40% shooter in anyone's mind, he'd not have resigned for the minimum. He's historically gone from as low as 29% to as high as 37% (both with easier competition and shorter 3s).

Honestly will be interesting to see if he can beat Draymond at % this year... I wouldnt put him at Kuminga levels, but its way more likely he gets there than 40% again. And thankfully, he's aware of that.

A lot of players with "bad form" shoot a high percentage, and if JTA hits 40% of 3 attempts a game he'll keep the defense honest and that will open space for everyone else. Particularly with Curry, Poole, and Klay drawing help.

I don't think anybody thinks he's going to be a star let alone starter level, but he's got a valuable role.

Supposedly Dray spent all summer shooting 3s with a shooting coach. Hopefully that gets his numbers to the functional level too.

The fact that they took 69 threes in a game makes me wonder if that was somewhat from an influence from Atkinson. Kerr tends to hold back the 3 shooting when it's up to him. The Warriors shot far more under Walton than Kerr and now this.

[Onus]

It’s hilarious that people really think of jta as some type of shooter that needs to be guarded, wish y’all were the scouts for other teams.

[Outside]

It’s hilarious that people really think of jta as some type of shooter that needs to be guarded, wish y’all were the scouts for other teams.

Last season, JTA shot 40.2 percent on threes, 57.9 percent overall on FGs, and 67.6 TS% (which was better than one Wardell Stephen Curry, who had a TS% of 65.5). Sure, JTA only had 2.3 FG attempts and 1.7 three attempts in 20.9 minutes per game, but those are great percentages.

What it shows is that he's not a primary threat but he stays within himself. I'll take that in a role player. I'll sure take that over Oubre, who shot 31.6 percent on threes on 5.0 attempts per game and had a TS% of 52.9, or even Draymond, who shot 27.0 percent on threes on 2.0 attempts per game and had a TS% of 53.0.

[Onus]

It’s hilarious that people really think of jta as some type of shooter that needs to be guarded, wish y’all were the scouts for other teams.

Last season, JTA shot 40.2 percent on threes, 57.9 percent overall on FGs, and 67.6 TS% (which was better than one Wardell Stephen Curry, who had a TS% of 65.5). Sure, JTA only had 2.3 FG attempts and 1.7 three attempts in 20.9 minutes per game, but those are great percentages.

What it shows is that he's not a primary threat but he stays within himself. I'll take that in a role player. I'll sure take that over Oubre, who shot 31.6 percent on threes on 5.0 attempts per game and had a TS% of 52.9, or even Draymond, who shot 27.0 percent on threes on 2.0 attempts per game and had a TS% of 53.0.

Yes jta is a better shooter than Curry. The percentages say so

[marthafokker]

Ouch. Did Dubbs hire 49ers trainers?

First it is Kuminga hurt, now it is Wiggins.

[Scoots1994]

It’s hilarious that people really think of jta as some type of shooter that needs to be guarded, wish y’all were the scouts for other teams.

Last season, JTA shot 40.2 percent on threes, 57.9 percent overall on FGs, and 67.6 TS% (which was better than one Wardell Stephen Curry, who had a TS% of 65.5). Sure, JTA only had 2.3 FG attempts and 1.7 three attempts in 20.9 minutes per game, but those are great percentages.

What it shows is that he's not a primary threat but he stays within himself. I'll take that in a role player. I'll sure take that over Oubre, who shot 31.6 percent on threes on 5.0 attempts per game and had a TS% of 52.9, or even Draymond, who shot 27.0 percent on threes on 2.0 attempts per game and had a TS% of 53.0.

Yes jta is a better shooter than Curry. The percentages say so

Obviously nobody is making the argument JTA is a better shooter than the best shooter in NBA history, but the reality is that players who shoot a good percentage will either be guarded or they will shoot more. Nobody is calling JTA a star or anything like it, but the fact that he is a decent offensive player and a decent defender while also being a serviceable shooter makes him a valuable bench player.

[xdrta+]

Kerr likes JTA because he understands the system, both offensive and defensive, and doesn't make many mistakes. Then there's the hustle. The shooting is a bonus.

[Onus]

Last season, JTA shot 40.2 percent on threes, 57.9 percent overall on FGs, and 67.6 TS% (which was better than one Wardell Stephen Curry, who had a TS% of 65.5). Sure, JTA only had 2.3 FG attempts and 1.7 three attempts in 20.9 minutes per game, but those are great percentages.

What it shows is that he's not a primary threat but he stays within himself. I'll take that in a role player. I'll sure take that over Oubre, who shot 31.6 percent on threes on 5.0 attempts per game and had a TS% of 52.9, or even Draymond, who shot 27.0 percent on threes on 2.0 attempts per game and had a TS% of 53.0.

Yes jta is a better shooter than Curry. The percentages say so

Obviously nobody is making the argument JTA is a better shooter than the best shooter in NBA history, but the reality is that players who shoot a good percentage will either be guarded or they will shoot more. Nobody is calling JTA a star or anything like it, but the fact that he is a decent offensive player and a decent defender while also being a serviceable shooter makes him a valuable bench player.

No one is arguing whether or not JTA is a valuable bench player. That should be a given.

The argument is whether or not he's a good shooter. You have 1 side that says his percentage from last year say he's a good shooter. You have another side saying his form has a lot of moving parts, and if he gets pressured while shooting his shots become more erratic, that when teams actually close out on him instead of not guarding him completely like he's draymond his percentages will drop. Essentially you shouldn't be relying on him being a 40% 3 point shooter. He's most likely a below average 3 point shooter if the avg 3pt percentage is 36.7%. There's nothing wrong with that, at least he's willing to put them up. But teams aren't game planning for him and running him off the line. They will live with him shooting 3s just like they would live with Iguodala shooting 3s, which makes it harder to play them together since it's 2 guys that you don't really need to guard at the 3 point line.

Let's put it this way if Juan really was a 3 point threat he wouldn't be taking the minimum.

[marthafokker]

Apparently GSW added another trash PG. This time.... Quinndary Weatherspoon

Guess he is still more vet than Moody in the food chain?

[WarriorGM]

Apparently GSW added another trash PG. This time.... Quinndary Weatherspoon

Guess he is still more vet than Moody in the food chain?

I don't get this. What kind of contract did they sign Weatherspoon to? Is he there simply to replace Galloway at camp or something with longer tenure?

[tarantism]

Apparently GSW added another trash PG. This time.... Quinndary Weatherspoon

Guess he is still more vet than Moody in the food chain?

I actually like this signing. He's 6'4"ish but boasts a 6'9" wingspan, so he's a combo guard who is a natural scorer and can create his own shot. He has been spotty from outside, but did shoot nearly 40% from 3 in one of his college seasons and can't be a worse floor spacer than Bradley or Payton. He's very athletic and with some development could project out as a two way role player with the size to defend bigger guards or some wings and the ability to score in spurts.

Not a bad guy to take a camp flyer on. Certainly better than Galloway. He's also only 25, and spent time in the Spurs system.

Sent from my SM-G975U using RealGM mobile app

[Badly Browned]

Apparently GSW added another trash PG. This time.... Quinndary Weatherspoon

Guess he is still more vet than Moody in the food chain?

Probably a move to lock him up for Santa Cruz.

[Scoots1994]

Yes jta is a better shooter than Curry. The percentages say so

Obviously nobody is making the argument JTA is a better shooter than the best shooter in NBA history, but the reality is that players who shoot a good percentage will either be guarded or they will shoot more. Nobody is calling JTA a star or anything like it, but the fact that he is a decent offensive player and a decent defender while also being a serviceable shooter makes him a valuable bench player.

No one is arguing whether or not JTA is a valuable bench player. That should be a given.

The argument is whether or not he's a good shooter. You have 1 side that says his percentage from last year say he's a good shooter. You have another side saying his form has a lot of moving parts, and if he gets pressured while shooting his shots become more erratic, that when teams actually close out on him instead of not guarding him completely like he's draymond his percentages will drop. Essentially you shouldn't be relying on him being a 40% 3 point shooter. He's most likely a below average 3 point shooter if the avg 3pt percentage is 36.7%. There's nothing wrong with that, at least he's willing to put them up. But teams aren't game planning for him and running him off the line. They will live with him shooting 3s just like they would live with Iguodala shooting 3s, which makes it harder to play them together since it's 2 guys that you don't really need to guard at the 3 point line.

Let's put it this way if Juan really was a 3 point threat he wouldn't be taking the minimum.

Yes and no. Mulder is certainly a 3 point threat and is not even making the minimum this year.

The only push back I would have is that if JTA is only taking wide open 3s and hits them around 40% then his shooting is a positive. The fact that he can't take a pressured 3 doesn't matter as much since he doesn't take them. He's limited, but efficient I guess

[Onus]

Obviously nobody is making the argument JTA is a better shooter than the best shooter in NBA history, but the reality is that players who shoot a good percentage will either be guarded or they will shoot more. Nobody is calling JTA a star or anything like it, but the fact that he is a decent offensive player and a decent defender while also being a serviceable shooter makes him a valuable bench player.

No one is arguing whether or not JTA is a valuable bench player. That should be a given.

The argument is whether or not he's a good shooter. You have 1 side that says his percentage from last year say he's a good shooter. You have another side saying his form has a lot of moving parts, and if he gets pressured while shooting his shots become more erratic, that when teams actually close out on him instead of not guarding him completely like he's draymond his percentages will drop. Essentially you shouldn't be relying on him being a 40% 3 point shooter. He's most likely a below average 3 point shooter if the avg 3pt percentage is 36.7%. There's nothing wrong with that, at least he's willing to put them up. But teams aren't game planning for him and running him off the line. They will live with him shooting 3s just like they would live with Iguodala shooting 3s, which makes it harder to play them together since it's 2 guys that you don't really need to guard at the 3 point line.

Let's put it this way if Juan really was a 3 point threat he wouldn't be taking the minimum.

Yes and no. Mulder is certainly a 3 point threat and is not even making the minimum this year.

The only push back I would have is that if JTA is only taking wide open 3s and hits them around 40% then his shooting is a positive. The fact that he can't take a pressured 3 doesn't matter as much since he doesn't take them. He's limited, but efficient I guess

What's the most valuable role players in today's game? A wing defender who can switch up or down positions and can shoot 3s. JTA is a decent enough defender and even provides good help defense. If anyone thought he was close to a 40% shooter on 3s he'd be making 10+M a year.

Mulder can't play defense to save his life so he's not really in the same category. Don't even want to get into his shooting woes as a supposed shooter.

[Scoots1994]

No one is arguing whether or not JTA is a valuable bench player. That should be a given.

The argument is whether or not he's a good shooter. You have 1 side that says his percentage from last year say he's a good shooter. You have another side saying his form has a lot of moving parts, and if he gets pressured while shooting his shots become more erratic, that when teams actually close out on him instead of not guarding him completely like he's draymond his percentages will drop. Essentially you shouldn't be relying on him being a 40% 3 point shooter. He's most likely a below average 3 point shooter if the avg 3pt percentage is 36.7%. There's nothing wrong with that, at least he's willing to put them up. But teams aren't game planning for him and running him off the line. They will live with him shooting 3s just like they would live with Iguodala shooting 3s, which makes it harder to play them together since it's 2 guys that you don't really need to guard at the 3 point line.

Let's put it this way if Juan really was a 3 point threat he wouldn't be taking the minimum.

Yes and no. Mulder is certainly a 3 point threat and is not even making the minimum this year.

The only push back I would have is that if JTA is only taking wide open 3s and hits them around 40% then his shooting is a positive. The fact that he can't take a pressured 3 doesn't matter as much since he doesn't take them. He's limited, but efficient I guess

What's the most valuable role players in today's game? A wing defender who can switch up or down positions and can shoot 3s. JTA is a decent enough defender and even provides good help defense. If anyone thought he was close to a 40% shooter on 3s he'd be making 10+M a year.

Mulder can't play defense to save his life so he's not really in the same category. Don't even want to get into his shooting woes as a supposed shooter.

So ... if JTA hits 40% from 3 this year will he then be close to a 40% shooter?

[Onus]

Yes and no. Mulder is certainly a 3 point threat and is not even making the minimum this year.

The only push back I would have is that if JTA is only taking wide open 3s and hits them around 40% then his shooting is a positive. The fact that he can't take a pressured 3 doesn't matter as much since he doesn't take them. He's limited, but efficient I guess

What's the most valuable role players in today's game? A wing defender who can switch up or down positions and can shoot 3s. JTA is a decent enough defender and even provides good help defense. If anyone thought he was close to a 40% shooter on 3s he'd be making 10+M a year.

Mulder can't play defense to save his life so he's not really in the same category. Don't even want to get into his shooting woes as a supposed shooter.

So ... if JTA hits 40% from 3 this year will he then be close to a 40% shooter?

I know seeing numbers makes it difficult to use the rest of my brain too

[FNQ]

Yes and no. Mulder is certainly a 3 point threat and is not even making the minimum this year.

The only push back I would have is that if JTA is only taking wide open 3s and hits them around 40% then his shooting is a positive. The fact that he can't take a pressured 3 doesn't matter as much since he doesn't take them. He's limited, but efficient I guess

What's the most valuable role players in today's game? A wing defender who can switch up or down positions and can shoot 3s. JTA is a decent enough defender and even provides good help defense. If anyone thought he was close to a 40% shooter on 3s he'd be making 10+M a year.

Mulder can't play defense to save his life so he's not really in the same category. Don't even want to get into his shooting woes as a supposed shooter.

So ... if JTA hits 40% from 3 this year will he then be close to a 40% shooter?

The problem is how it affects the rest of the team. If he's not a quality outside shooter, and he isn't, and you're pairing him with Iguodala, that means there are two wing players that the opposing defense can sag off of. So now that directly affects Poole and whoever the other guard is (Lee? Wiggins?) because it makes driving tougher for them. We then become a perimeter passing team with 1-3 credible outside threats, no back to the basket game, and minimal rebounding.

We get away with that in the starting lineup because we literally might have the best 2 shooters in NBA history. And when that number is knocked down to just 1 of the best shooters in NBA history with league average shooters flanking him, we saw the results: 20th ranked in ORtg, 12th in PPG ---> a team that just a year prior was a top 3 ORtg team for the past 5 consecutive years.

[Chupchup]

Yes jta is a better shooter than Curry. The percentages say so

Obviously nobody is making the argument JTA is a better shooter than the best shooter in NBA history, but the reality is that players who shoot a good percentage will either be guarded or they will shoot more. Nobody is calling JTA a star or anything like it, but the fact that he is a decent offensive player and a decent defender while also being a serviceable shooter makes him a valuable bench player.

No one is arguing whether or not JTA is a valuable bench player. That should be a given.

The argument is whether or not he's a good shooter. You have 1 side that says his percentage from last year say he's a good shooter. You have another side saying his form has a lot of moving parts, and if he gets pressured while shooting his shots become more erratic, that when teams actually close out on him instead of not guarding him completely like he's draymond his percentages will drop. Essentially you shouldn't be relying on him being a 40% 3 point shooter. He's most likely a below average 3 point shooter if the avg 3pt percentage is 36.7%. There's nothing wrong with that, at least he's willing to put them up. But teams aren't game planning for him and running him off the line. They will live with him shooting 3s just like they would live with Iguodala shooting 3s, which makes it harder to play them together since it's 2 guys that you don't really need to guard at the 3 point line.

Let's put it this way if Juan really was a 3 point threat he wouldn't be taking the minimum.

From my view it was one side saying JTA can't shoot and won't be in the rotation. He'll be a offensive liability.

The other side said saying I don't really know if he is a stud shooter or not but he shot 40% on 100 (roughly) attempts last year. So you can't dismiss actual evidence of him shooting well in games last year. No guarantees he'll shoot well this year but 100 attempts isn't a joke.

[Chupchup]

What's the most valuable role players in today's game? A wing defender who can switch up or down positions and can shoot 3s. JTA is a decent enough defender and even provides good help defense. If anyone thought he was close to a 40% shooter on 3s he'd be making 10+M a year.

Mulder can't play defense to save his life so he's not really in the same category. Don't even want to get into his shooting woes as a supposed shooter.

So ... if JTA hits 40% from 3 this year will he then be close to a 40% shooter?

The problem is how it affects the rest of the team. If he's not a quality outside shooter, and he isn't, and you're pairing him with Iguodala, that means there are two wing players that the opposing defense can sag off of. So now that directly affects Poole and whoever the other guard is (Lee? Wiggins?) because it makes driving tougher for them. We then become a perimeter passing team with 1-3 credible outside threats, no back to the basket game, and minimal rebounding.

We get away with that in the starting lineup because we literally might have the best 2 shooters in NBA history. And when that number is knocked down to just 1 of the best shooters in NBA history with league average shooters flanking him, we saw the results: 20th ranked in ORtg, 12th in PPG ---> a team that just a year prior was a top 3 ORtg team for the past 5 consecutive years.

The Warriors w/o Wiseman had a Offensive Rating of 115.4
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/warriors-offense-rating-without-wiseman

The Warriors w/Wiseman had a Offensive Rating of 108.5
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/warriors-offense-rating-with-wiseman

115.4 would have been top 10 in the league. The ratings and record got trashed because the Warriors weren't focused on winning in the beginning.