Steph Curry is still a monster. Who wants to trade him now?

[floppymoose]

It's not the best move. It's the only move. The alternative is treadmill.

[NW]

It's not the best move. It's the only move. The alternative is treadmill.

The alternative is making moves with expiring contracts and current picks to improve a team that still features a top 10-15 player and one of the best defenders in the game.

I’ll take the treadmill of trying to compete over the treadmill of suck and hope. League ain’t exactly full of killer teams

[vvoland]

Bet on Dunleavy and his input versus the Lacob’s if you want. Let’s not act like he wasn’t in the building for Wiseman, JK, Moody, Nico etc. decisions

And the Curry drafters drafted a heap of duds too

So the best move is to suck and draft and hope a star falls into the laps of a bunch of mediocre to bad talent evaluators?

Pass.

The idea of watching Steph play for another team unless he explicitly asked out would be brutal, regardless of the success/failure of his post warriors career. Being tied to a single franchise like Russell, bird, magic, Duncan, and Kobe is going to be invaluable, both to the franchise and the player. It'll be a differentiator that, with time, will become almost impossible to replicate.

The idea that we should trade him for Charlotte for ball, miller, and all their picks completely misses the boat on what this player means to the franchise and vice versa. That's before we get to the reality that the "godfather offer" would probably be far short of what most imagine it to be and certainly nothing like I suggested in my fake example

We'll have plenty of time to tank and draft with our own picks once Steph is gone, there's no need to accelerate the process. If he can get just a little more help like one of: stretch 5 (Turner or better), borderline all star level wing (like JK last two nights or wigs with a bit more offense), or true 3&d 2 guard (dort? kcp from 2 years ago?), people will be back on the wagon in no time.

[wco81]

They should try to poach some personnel guys from other teams. For instance Memphis which has been finding all kinds of rotations players in the late 20s and lower picks.

Also developmental coaching staff.

That's what Lacob should be spending on, with all the supposed huge revenues, including non basketball revenues which he doesn't have to share. Not to mention the biggest valuation in the league, so he could sell for a huge profit.

Seems about good time to roll the dice on turning the ownership and front office over, because whoever can pay $7 billion or more to buy the franchise and Chase Center may be willing to hire a new GM, poach the best front office talent across the league.

Of course it could also be a horror show, like the Carolina Panthers where a very rich owner thought he knew how to make personnel decisions since he's made so much money.

This is still a top 10 media market and Chase Center generates the most revenues, probably with one or if not the highest ticket prices in the league, at least for now. Once Curry is gone, those are going to go way down but it should still have very high NBRI.

Maybe Larry Ellison will buy it for one of his kids, but the problem is that he's the kind of egotistical guys who'd meddle and last time, he tried to lowball his offer and got outbid.

[NW]

They should try to poach some personnel guys from other teams. For instance Memphis which has been finding all kinds of rotations players in the late 20s and lower picks.

Also developmental coaching staff.

That's what Lacob should be spending on, with all the supposed huge revenues, including non basketball revenues which he doesn't have to share. Not to mention the biggest valuation in the league, so he could sell for a huge profit.

Seems about good time to roll the dice on turning the ownership and front office over, because whoever can pay $7 billion or more to buy the franchise and Chase Center may be willing to hire a new GM, poach the best front office talent across the league.

Of course it could also be a horror show, like the Carolina Panthers where a very rich owner thought he knew how to make personnel decisions since he's made so much money.

This is still a top 10 media market and Chase Center generates the most revenues, probably with one or if not the highest ticket prices in the league, at least for now. Once Curry is gone, those are going to go way down but it should still have very high NBRI.

Maybe Larry Ellison will buy it for one of his kids, but the problem is that he's the kind of egotistical guys who'd meddle and last time, he tried to lowball his offer and got outbid.

The kind of guys you're talking about ain't trying to come here and have to debate with Lacob's kids on personnel decisions. Why do you think he let West go instead of paying him?

[wco81]

They should try to poach some personnel guys from other teams. For instance Memphis which has been finding all kinds of rotations players in the late 20s and lower picks.

Also developmental coaching staff.

That's what Lacob should be spending on, with all the supposed huge revenues, including non basketball revenues which he doesn't have to share. Not to mention the biggest valuation in the league, so he could sell for a huge profit.

Seems about good time to roll the dice on turning the ownership and front office over, because whoever can pay $7 billion or more to buy the franchise and Chase Center may be willing to hire a new GM, poach the best front office talent across the league.

Of course it could also be a horror show, like the Carolina Panthers where a very rich owner thought he knew how to make personnel decisions since he's made so much money.

This is still a top 10 media market and Chase Center generates the most revenues, probably with one or if not the highest ticket prices in the league, at least for now. Once Curry is gone, those are going to go way down but it should still have very high NBRI.

Maybe Larry Ellison will buy it for one of his kids, but the problem is that he's the kind of egotistical guys who'd meddle and last time, he tried to lowball his offer and got outbid.

The kind of guys you're talking about ain't trying to come here and have to debate with Lacob's kids on personnel decisions. Why do you think he let West go instead of paying him?

You would think the Lacobs would be humbled after Wiseman and to an extent, the Kuminga and Moody picks.

Clear now that they would have been better off drafting Franz. Maybe not the ceiling that JK has but neither of them may ever reach that ceiling and for now, Wagner is the second best player on a pretty good playoffs team. They still haven't proven anything, since they lost in the first-round last year. But they're likely to be 50-win teams for the next 3-4 seasons or more -- though a lot of that has to do with being in the EC.

[GQ Hot Dog]

They should try to poach some personnel guys from other teams. For instance Memphis which has been finding all kinds of rotations players in the late 20s and lower picks.

Also developmental coaching staff.

That's what Lacob should be spending on, with all the supposed huge revenues, including non basketball revenues which he doesn't have to share. Not to mention the biggest valuation in the league, so he could sell for a huge profit.

Seems about good time to roll the dice on turning the ownership and front office over, because whoever can pay $7 billion or more to buy the franchise and Chase Center may be willing to hire a new GM, poach the best front office talent across the league.

Of course it could also be a horror show, like the Carolina Panthers where a very rich owner thought he knew how to make personnel decisions since he's made so much money.

This is still a top 10 media market and Chase Center generates the most revenues, probably with one or if not the highest ticket prices in the league, at least for now. Once Curry is gone, those are going to go way down but it should still have very high NBRI.

Maybe Larry Ellison will buy it for one of his kids, but the problem is that he's the kind of egotistical guys who'd meddle and last time, he tried to lowball his offer and got outbid.

The kind of guys you're talking about ain't trying to come here and have to debate with Lacob's kids on personnel decisions. Why do you think he let West go instead of paying him?

You would think the Lacobs would be humbled after Wiseman and to an extent, the Kuminga and Moody picks.

Clear now that they would have been better off drafting Franz. Maybe not the ceiling that JK has but neither of them may ever reach that ceiling and for now, Wagner is the second best player on a pretty good playoffs team. They still haven't proven anything, since they lost in the first-round last year. But they're likely to be 50-win teams for the next 3-4 seasons or more -- though a lot of that has to do with being in the EC.

And what if Kuminga does reach his ceiling? Will you sing the FO's praises? You don't get an opportunity to draft a guy with Kuminga's ceiling at #7 without considerable risk.

I for one am thrilled with a FO that is willing to take that risk because they have faith that the coach and staff can develop that player to his potential. And that faith appears to be paying off as we speak.

I don't want to be a fan of a timid team with modest ambitions. I want to follow a team that swings for the fences and Lacob certainly delivers on that count. Give my Lacob's unbridled ambition and enthusiasm over any other. Best owner in the NBA.

[wco81]

I don't fault them for choosing potential, especially young potential, over higher-floor players.

However, I don't think there's any question now that those 3 lottery picks could have led to better players for the current team.

JK is the only one of them who's showing out but he still has to prove it over a longer stretch of games and against the best teams, in the playoffs.

Plus for the salary expectations he has, it may not work for the Warriors.

If he alone leveled up that this team was a true top 4 seed in the west, at least over the latter half of this season or next season, when he'd ben making huge money, the most after Steph, with him as the second best player, then sure you would say the pick was right.

Obviously the pick for Wiseman wasn't right and Moody could be a nice role player but there were better players chosen after him in that draft.

So my dim view of the FO is justified unless both of them and Podz take big jumps -- though Podz has a couple more seasons to show improvement though given that he was selected #19, expectations are lower and there doesn't seem to be players chosen later who might have made the team better, so far.

[Big J]

I'd rather watch a treadmill team with Curry on it. At some point he'll be gone, and the team will probably go another 40 years without the same level of success.

[vvoland]

I'd rather watch a treadmill team with Curry on it. At some point he'll be gone, and the team will probably go another 40 years without the same level of success.

Exactly this. Everyone who wants to trade Curry and suck will eventually get their wish, I just don't know why we'd want to speed that up

[wco81]

I'd rather watch a treadmill team with Curry on it. At some point he'll be gone, and the team will probably go another 40 years without the same level of success.

Exactly this. Everyone who wants to trade Curry and suck will eventually get their wish, I just don't know why we'd want to speed that up

No we don't have Mieuli or Cohan as owners any more. For Cohan's faults, he's put the team on a very advantageous financial footing, so it's not like the Giants which have to contend with the financial juggernauts like the Dodgers or the NY baseball teams.

All the revenues at Chase Center could quickly evaporate if they don't put out at least an entertaining product. Many fans will wait a couple of years for rebuild after Curry hangs them up. Ticket prices will decline but not fall off a cliff right away.

At least the long-time fans were basketball fans so they continued to support the team through the fallow years. At least the fans grew with some players and they appreciated being able to see great players on visiting teams.

That may not be as true of the fans currently paying the prices at Chase right now. But presumably Cohan would never be as indifferent or even hostile to fielding a competitive team as his predecessors.

With this CBA, there are all kinds of obstacles to sustaining a dominant, dynastic team because Adam Silver wants parity. We will see though, if teams like the Celtics have to give up some of their best players to get below the Second Apron. The Knicks and the Cavs though have very rich owners so they may not be afraid of the financial penalties for keeping a strong roster.

But the Nuggets and the Clippers have very rich owners and they didn't want to go above the Second Apron either.

So if the Warriors have to reset, I don't think it would be as difficult for them to rebuild as in the '90s and the 2000s.

[GQ Hot Dog]

I don't fault them for choosing potential, especially young potential, over higher-floor players.

However, I don't think there's any question now that those 3 lottery picks could have led to better players for the current team.

JK is the only one of them who's showing out but he still has to prove it over a longer stretch of games and against the best teams, in the playoffs.

Plus for the salary expectations he has, it may not work for the Warriors.

If he alone leveled up that this team was a true top 4 seed in the west, at least over the latter half of this season or next season, when he'd ben making huge money, the most after Steph, with him as the second best player, then sure you would say the pick was right.

Obviously the pick for Wiseman wasn't right and Moody could be a nice role player but there were better players chosen after him in that draft.

So my dim view of the FO is justified unless both of them and Podz take big jumps -- though Podz has a couple more seasons to show improvement though given that he was selected #19, expectations are lower and there doesn't seem to be players chosen later who might have made the team better, so far.

The only pick I hate now and was queasy about at the time was Wiseman. And given the tiny sample size, the only thing that made me so queasy was that one high school video where he got completely disrobed by Mobley. That entire draft deserved a mulligan because there just wasn't the opportunity for FOs to do their diligence scouting players with the pandemic.

As for Moody, I think he was extended this off season in anticipation of Wiggins starting, rehabilitating his value and getting traded, with Moody stepping into his role. That doesn't look so promising right about now, mainly because Moody hasn't seized the minutes we all hoped he would. Nonetheless, Wiggins certainly has done well rehabbing his value and thus I still consider him a likely trade candidate.

The Myers/Dunleavy shift has undeniably been profound and I think a bright line should be drawn between each administration. Despite Lacob being considered a hands-on owner, he's done a great job letting Dunleavy put his stamp on the team and everyone deserves praise for that.

[superunknown]

this whole conversation and thread is surreal.