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Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series

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Post#61 » by WarriorGM » Wed May 14, 2025 2:20 am

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DB23 wrote:My biggest issue with threads like these is not the criticism, it’s the lack of critical thinking through alternatives. Like what lineup is really winning this series without Steph?

Or what alternate coach? I remember a few months back that the anti Kerr guys were all over Kenny, lue and spo and what happened to them? In better circumstances than Kerr has faced too


BRO JUST START PAT SPENCER! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've seen some awful takes on this board, but that might take the cake.

We talkin' PAT SPENCER??? A g-leaguer who is probably better at lacrosse than he is at basketball (seriously) and shoots 20.8% from 3. That's the solution to fill Steph Curry's shoes! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Replace Pat Spencer with Brandin Podziemski in that sentence. Does that sound much better? But you know what? I don't mind Podziemski starting either.

Spencer and company went on a +14 run to bring the game within 7 after trailing by 20 at the end of the 4th. Garbage time? Maybe but it's a playoff game and the Wolves retained starters. Reminds me of the time a raw Kuminga brought the team back from 30 down to within 10 in Game 3 against the Mavericks. Kuminga is playable in the playoffs. Spencer is too. If Kerr cannot figure it out I put it on him.

As for the comment about critical thinking, think critically and tell me what is the best chance for this team to win a title? Answer: it needs more than the gimpy and exhausted 35+ year olds it currently has. The team MUST find more and get more out of the players it has on the roster.
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DB23 wrote:My biggest issue with threads like these is not the criticism, it’s the lack of critical thinking through alternatives. Like what lineup is really winning this series without Steph?

Or what alternate coach? I remember a few months back that the anti Kerr guys were all over Kenny, lue and spo and what happened to them? In better circumstances than Kerr has faced too


BRO JUST START PAT SPENCER! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've seen some awful takes on this board, but that might take the cake.

We talkin' PAT SPENCER??? A g-leaguer who is probably better at lacrosse than he is at basketball (seriously) and shoots 20.8% from 3. That's the solution to fill Steph Curry's shoes! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Replace Pat Spencer with Brandin Podziemski in that sentence. Does that sound much better? But you know what? I don't mind Podziemski starting either.

Spencer and company went on a +14 run to bring the game within 7 after trailing by 20 at the end of the 4th. Garbage time? Maybe but it's a playoff game and the Wolves retained starters. Reminds me of the time a raw Kuminga brought the team back from 30 down to within 10 in Game 3 against the Mavericks. Kuminga is playable in the playoffs. Spencer is too. If Kerr cannot figure it out I put it on him.

As for the comment about critical thinking, think critically and tell me what is the best chance for this team to win a title? Answer: it needs more than the gimpy and exhausted 35+ year olds it currently has. The team MUST find more and get more out of the players it has on the roster.


Again with your garbage time stuff lmfao. START PAT SPENCER!!! I cannot take this seriously and hope you're just trolling. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post#64 » by cpower » Wed May 14, 2025 3:19 am

DB23 wrote:My biggest issue with threads like these is not the criticism, it’s the lack of critical thinking through alternatives. Like what lineup is really winning this series without Steph?

Or what alternate coach? I remember a few months back that the anti Kerr guys were all over Kenny, lue and spo and what happened to them? In better circumstances than Kerr has faced too

nobody thinks we will win the series without Steph but when wolves panicked in g3 we did not capitalize it. we also punt a g2 and gambled in g4 - it's doable to win a game in last 2 times.
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Post#65 » by powerball1373 » Wed May 14, 2025 3:22 am

cpower wrote:
DB23 wrote:My biggest issue with threads like these is not the criticism, it’s the lack of critical thinking through alternatives. Like what lineup is really winning this series without Steph?

Or what alternate coach? I remember a few months back that the anti Kerr guys were all over Kenny, lue and spo and what happened to them? In better circumstances than Kerr has faced too

nobody thinks we will win the series without Steph but when wolves panicked in g3 we did not capitalize it. we also punt a g2 and gambled in g4 - it's doable to win a game in last 2 times.


I don't think they had any chance to win game 2 - even if Steph was healthy, that would've been a tough one to get after winning game 1. Your expectations are not based in reality. Maybe you've been spoiled by the Warriors in the past, but the entitlement to think this team can win every game is crazy, like the team on the other side has no say in the matter lol.
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#66 » by cpower » Wed May 14, 2025 3:32 am

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DB23 wrote:My biggest issue with threads like these is not the criticism, it’s the lack of critical thinking through alternatives. Like what lineup is really winning this series without Steph?

Or what alternate coach? I remember a few months back that the anti Kerr guys were all over Kenny, lue and spo and what happened to them? In better circumstances than Kerr has faced too

nobody thinks we will win the series without Steph but when wolves panicked in g3 we did not capitalize it. we also punt a g2 and gambled in g4 - it's doable to win a game in last 2 times.


I don't think they had any chance to win game 2 - even if Steph was healthy, that would've been a tough one to get after winning game 1. Your expectations are not based in reality. Maybe you've been spoiled by the Warriors in the past, but the entitlement to think this team can win every game is crazy, like the team on the other side has no say in the matter lol.

remember - twolves also not doing great offensively. we were just not able to match the intensity like what we did against rockets. held them under 95 3 times before only once in this series. We also up the tempo a lot in this series which only helped the better offensive team - twolves
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Post#67 » by DB23 » Wed May 14, 2025 3:48 am

cpower wrote:
DB23 wrote:My biggest issue with threads like these is not the criticism, it’s the lack of critical thinking through alternatives. Like what lineup is really winning this series without Steph?

Or what alternate coach? I remember a few months back that the anti Kerr guys were all over Kenny, lue and spo and what happened to them? In better circumstances than Kerr has faced too

nobody thinks we will win the series without Steph but when wolves panicked in g3 we did not capitalize it. we also punt a g2 and gambled in g4 - it's doable to win a game in last 2 times.


But I agree with this but really what part is on Kerr? That dray crapped the bed in game 3? That podz is shooting 20% for the series? Is the third quarter in game 4 all on him because pat Spencer didn’t start? What would be the alternative?
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Post#68 » by WarriorGM » Wed May 14, 2025 3:49 am

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BRO JUST START PAT SPENCER! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've seen some awful takes on this board, but that might take the cake.

We talkin' PAT SPENCER??? A g-leaguer who is probably better at lacrosse than he is at basketball (seriously) and shoots 20.8% from 3. That's the solution to fill Steph Curry's shoes! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Replace Pat Spencer with Brandin Podziemski in that sentence. Does that sound much better? But you know what? I don't mind Podziemski starting either.

Spencer and company went on a +14 run to bring the game within 7 after trailing by 20 at the end of the 4th. Garbage time? Maybe but it's a playoff game and the Wolves retained starters. Reminds me of the time a raw Kuminga brought the team back from 30 down to within 10 in Game 3 against the Mavericks. Kuminga is playable in the playoffs. Spencer is too. If Kerr cannot figure it out I put it on him.

As for the comment about critical thinking, think critically and tell me what is the best chance for this team to win a title? Answer: it needs more than the gimpy and exhausted 35+ year olds it currently has. The team MUST find more and get more out of the players it has on the roster.


Again with your garbage time stuff lmfao. START PAT SPENCER!!! I cannot take this seriously and hope you're just trolling. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Your post oozes with prejudice. It leads to underestimation. I can only hope the TWolves also react the same.
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Post#69 » by cpower » Wed May 14, 2025 3:53 am

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cpower wrote:
DB23 wrote:My biggest issue with threads like these is not the criticism, it’s the lack of critical thinking through alternatives. Like what lineup is really winning this series without Steph?

Or what alternate coach? I remember a few months back that the anti Kerr guys were all over Kenny, lue and spo and what happened to them? In better circumstances than Kerr has faced too

nobody thinks we will win the series without Steph but when wolves panicked in g3 we did not capitalize it. we also punt a g2 and gambled in g4 - it's doable to win a game in last 2 times.


But I agree with this but really what part is on Kerr? That dray crapped the bed in game 3? That podz is shooting 20% for the series? Is the third quarter in game 4 all on him because pat Spencer didn’t start? What would be the alternative?

question is when your guard is shooting 15% on threes should you try something else? Santo Looney for every O-Rebound and Butler mid range? Get Moody a few looks? JK was scoring but he was -12 net rating for the playoffs. is that possible to restrict his mins so that he does not play with Butler?
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Post#70 » by superunknown » Wed May 14, 2025 4:02 am

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WarriorGM wrote:Are all you guys defending Kerr giving up? Are you all saying there was no way to win?

Then what I want to see is Spencer starting and if the team goes down in flames it will be predictable and I will join the chorus exonerating Kerr and saying he had too little to work with.

But why is it I keep getting the feeling they'd win? Just don't play him with Kuminga.


Not at all, he’s accountable like the players are accountable. For some reason we hold the coach accountable but let the players off.

But ask yourself fairly, are we really as talented as the wolves without Steph?

I think his gamble on podz has not paid off, and that’s the main blame I put on him.

Honestly, tjd, looney or post what’s the difference?

This series was won or lost because dray played below standard in game 3 and podz/moody have been horrendous.


dray played below standard even in game 4. anyway, I'd be more concerned about the other 2 players mentioned moving forward.
if moody and podz are this bad - and they have been for loong stretches of the season with some ups in and there - what's the point to bring them back next year? after the butler trade, they were the starting SG and SF. no team which is serious about competing for a chip can afford to have such starting duo. none of them is particularly athletic, none of them is a reliable shooter, none of them is even a reliable scorer (you perhaps could live with one of them starting if he was at least a scorer like derozan), and none of them can even drive to the basket and get to the FTs line consistently. and they are supposed to be your starting wings? this is a need in the roster as much as the athletic big man.
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Post#71 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed May 14, 2025 4:03 am

Kerr is getting too much flack.

We can micro analyze everything and everyone, and none of it will be good if you are looking for mistakes. There will be plenty.

He's not the best in game adjuster, but he's a a great game planner. It's not his fault steph got hurt. Jimmy is hurt. Dray can't anchor a defense without help anymore. Players are showing their age. Players can't shoot. We lack wings. We lack shooting.

If anyone, I'd put the bulk of the blame on mjd and lady luck.
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Post#72 » by superunknown » Wed May 14, 2025 4:17 am

cpower wrote:
DB23 wrote:
cpower wrote:nobody thinks we will win the series without Steph but when wolves panicked in g3 we did not capitalize it. we also punt a g2 and gambled in g4 - it's doable to win a game in last 2 times.


But I agree with this but really what part is on Kerr? That dray crapped the bed in game 3? That podz is shooting 20% for the series? Is the third quarter in game 4 all on him because pat Spencer didn’t start? What would be the alternative?

question is when your guard is shooting 15% on threes should you try something else? Santo Looney for every O-Rebound and Butler mid range? Get Moody a few looks? JK was scoring but he was -12 net rating for the playoffs. is that possible to restrict his mins so that he does not play with Butler?


that's the other thing that makes no sense at all.
this team, apart from butler, has no effing midrange. steph included (although he could be very effective).
at the end of the day you need to put points on the scoreboard.is it a 3? is it a long 2, is it a FT? who cares? if the 3 ball ain't falling or the opponents are selling out to defend the 3 points line or going to zone, then you need to punish them from the midrange or get to the rim.
this team has already no interior scoring or post-up game at all, you add the lack of midrange game beside butler, basically the all offensive system is predicated to steph creating open looks for non-shooters and driving lanes for GPII/kuminga (if he plays) with his gravity? that's it? you must have other options offensively, you must have a few guys who can create their own shot either is a midrange jumpshot or a post-up. you cannot just live and die by the 3 when you also don't have enough 3 points shooters in the roster.
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Post#73 » by DaHef » Wed May 14, 2025 4:35 am

This team had no business being in the 2nd round of the playoffs. I thank them for the extended entertainment and Houston getting beat by Steph and Jimmy, but you get past those two and this team is a big pile of trade bait. Bring back Kevon on a El Cheapo backup contract, maybe give Post another look see on his cheap contract, and put the rest on the market and try to find some youth and length.
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#74 » by cladden » Wed May 14, 2025 5:17 am

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WarriorGM wrote:Yes. I expect this team to beat the Wolves even without Steph. With a more capable coach it would be possible.


So you don't respect the Wolves and overrate our roster. They are a good team, they'll be making the WCF 2 seasons in a row, and Ant is a budding superstar. We don't have depth, and the Wolves made our weaker shooters shoot instead of Jimmy and Buddy. Buddy got shots up, but he was always covered. They left Gary, Podz, and Draymond open who all threw up bricks.

The roster is missing a starting SG who can actually shoot. There is no 3&D guy to pluck from the bench. And if you want to blame Steve for playing Podz and Gary so much, they led the team in plus minus for anyone who played 15 minutes. There are roster limitations we all know existed before Jimmy got here, and now Steph is out.

This was a losing record team before Jimmy got here and we're now down our best player. Embrace reality.


Totally. It was way more realistic that the Wolves would beat us even with Steph (though I think we would have a very good chance) than us beating them without the one player on whose shoulders almost all of our offense rests. This is akin to people saying the Nuggets could and should beat OKC without Jokic. The wolves has one of the best defenses in the league and a top 5 player in Ant.
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Post#75 » by powerball1373 » Wed May 14, 2025 5:50 am

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Replace Pat Spencer with Brandin Podziemski in that sentence. Does that sound much better? But you know what? I don't mind Podziemski starting either.

Spencer and company went on a +14 run to bring the game within 7 after trailing by 20 at the end of the 4th. Garbage time? Maybe but it's a playoff game and the Wolves retained starters. Reminds me of the time a raw Kuminga brought the team back from 30 down to within 10 in Game 3 against the Mavericks. Kuminga is playable in the playoffs. Spencer is too. If Kerr cannot figure it out I put it on him.

As for the comment about critical thinking, think critically and tell me what is the best chance for this team to win a title? Answer: it needs more than the gimpy and exhausted 35+ year olds it currently has. The team MUST find more and get more out of the players it has on the roster.


Again with your garbage time stuff lmfao. START PAT SPENCER!!! I cannot take this seriously and hope you're just trolling. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Your post oozes with prejudice. It leads to underestimation. I can only hope the TWolves also react the same.


Prejudice against what? Bad basketball players? Maybe you forgot Game 2, but this is what happened when Pat Spencer got non-garbage-time minutes and the Wolves were expecting him. I can't believe I'm even responding to this dumbassery, but here we are. This dude is barely even a legit NBA player, let alone a PLAYOFF STARTER lmfao.

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Post#76 » by vvoland » Wed May 14, 2025 5:58 am

powerball1373 wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
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Again with your garbage time stuff lmfao. START PAT SPENCER!!! I cannot take this seriously and hope you're just trolling. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Your post oozes with prejudice. It leads to underestimation. I can only hope the TWolves also react the same.


Prejudice against what? Bad basketball players? Maybe you forgot Game 2, but this is what happened when Pat Spencer got non-garbage-time minutes and the Wolves were expecting him. I can't believe I'm even responding to this dumbassery, but here we are. This dude is barely even a legit NBA player, let alone a PLAYOFF STARTER lmfao.

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I really do love the pat Spencer story but there has never been a basketball question to which he's the answer.
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Post#77 » by powerball1373 » Wed May 14, 2025 6:20 am

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Your post oozes with prejudice. It leads to underestimation. I can only hope the TWolves also react the same.


Prejudice against what? Bad basketball players? Maybe you forgot Game 2, but this is what happened when Pat Spencer got non-garbage-time minutes and the Wolves were expecting him. I can't believe I'm even responding to this dumbassery, but here we are. This dude is barely even a legit NBA player, let alone a PLAYOFF STARTER lmfao.

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I really do love the pat Spencer story but there has never been a basketball question to which he's the answer.


Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to throw shade at him, and I totally respect his journey, plus the fact that Draymond said he's one of the toughest guys on the team... but there's a big difference between someone having a 3-play Linsanity stretch in Game 1 to being NBA-playoff-starter caliber lol. It was like the Wolves were offended by what he did in Game 1 and totally shut off his water in Game 2.
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Post#78 » by WarriorGM » Wed May 14, 2025 6:37 am

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Again with your garbage time stuff lmfao. START PAT SPENCER!!! I cannot take this seriously and hope you're just trolling. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Your post oozes with prejudice. It leads to underestimation. I can only hope the TWolves also react the same.


Prejudice against what? Bad basketball players? Maybe you forgot Game 2, but this is what happened when Pat Spencer got non-garbage-time minutes and the Wolves were expecting him. I can't believe I'm even responding to this dumbassery, but here we are. This dude is barely even a legit NBA player, let alone a PLAYOFF STARTER lmfao.

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The dumbassery comes from not looking at the lineups.

Here's what the Spencer lineups in that Game 2 were:

Spencer, Kuminga, Moody, Looney, GPII - None of the guys I call the 4 fundamental players in the lineup. As I mentioned before the entire season has shown that Spencer and Kuminga are the worst or near worst pairing for each other and Moody ain't great for Kuminga either. -10 in 3 minutes shouldn't be a surprise. This is the kind of lineup from Kerr that makes saying he's setting them up to fail justifiable.

Hield, Green, Spencer, Knox, TJD - Better since it has Hield and Green but you still have Knox and TJD. I'm guessing this was the first time that lineup was played all season. -2 in 1 minute.

Hield, Butler, Spencer, Knox, TJD - Has Hield and Butler but you still have Knox and TJD. I'm guessing this was the first time that lineup was played all season. -2 in 2 minutes.

Butler, Spencer, GPII, Moody, TJD - Only has Butler among the fundamental 4 and also has TJD. -3 in 2 minutes.

Green, Spencer, GPII, Moody, TJD - Only has Green among the fundamental 4 and also has TJD. -3 in 1 minute.

Green, Spencer, GPII, Kuminga, TJD - Only has Green among the fundamental 4 and also has TJD. +3 in 2 minutes.

Spencer, Key, Knox, Moody, Santos - None of the fundamental 4. -3 in 4 minutes.

Spencer didn't get to play in a lineup with the team's best players being a majority and he had TJD in nearly all of them. Mind you TJD was negative in the other lineups he was in in that game. True Spencer's numbers in this game don't give an argument for him to play more but apparently Kerr thought it was enough to start TJD in the succeeding games.

On the other hand in Game 1 Spencer had the following to argue in his favor:

Hield, Butler, Spencer, GPII, Looney - 2 of the fundamental 4. +6 in 1 minute.

Hield, Green, Spencer, GPII, Looney - 2 of the fundamental 4. +4 in 1 minute.

But after Game 1 we never saw those lineups again. For a true test of Spencer's playability or not try those.
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#79 » by jozef » Wed May 14, 2025 8:15 am

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few moments later JK/Hield going for the same guy, Conley wide open three 74 - 68

If I remember it correctly Dray stayed deep in the lane so Conley took the chance

at 6:46

The video cannot be played in my country but you are right. I misplaced it with Conley's first 3pter.
In this situation Dray was in the corner to spread the floor, Randle sprinted forward after Butler's ill advised shot over Gobert and created 3 on 2 (JK + Hield) fastbreak, Dray chased back but Conley spread to the corner and Hield was late there. The offense led to the defense.
I should be on Lacob payroll...
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Re: Steve Kerr was grossly outcoached in this series 

Post#80 » by powerball1373 » Wed May 14, 2025 9:27 am

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Your post oozes with prejudice. It leads to underestimation. I can only hope the TWolves also react the same.


Prejudice against what? Bad basketball players? Maybe you forgot Game 2, but this is what happened when Pat Spencer got non-garbage-time minutes and the Wolves were expecting him. I can't believe I'm even responding to this dumbassery, but here we are. This dude is barely even a legit NBA player, let alone a PLAYOFF STARTER lmfao.

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The dumbassery comes from not looking at the lineups.

Here's what the Spencer lineups in that Game 2 were:

Spencer, Kuminga, Moody, Looney, GPII - None of the guys I call the 4 fundamental players in the lineup. As I mentioned before the entire season has shown that Spencer and Kuminga are the worst or near worst pairing for each other and Moody ain't great for Kuminga either. -10 in 3 minutes shouldn't be a surprise. This is the kind of lineup from Kerr that makes saying he's setting them up to fail justifiable.

Hield, Green, Spencer, Knox, TJD - Better since it has Hield and Green but you still have Knox and TJD. I'm guessing this was the first time that lineup was played all season. -2 in 1 minute.

Hield, Butler, Spencer, Knox, TJD - Has Hield and Butler but you still have Knox and TJD. I'm guessing this was the first time that lineup was played all season. -2 in 2 minutes.

Butler, Spencer, GPII, Moody, TJD - Only has Butler among the fundamental 4 and also has TJD. -3 in 2 minutes.

Green, Spencer, GPII, Moody, TJD - Only has Green among the fundamental 4 and also has TJD. -3 in 1 minute.

Green, Spencer, GPII, Kuminga, TJD - Only has Green among the fundamental 4 and also has TJD. +3 in 2 minutes.

Spencer, Key, Knox, Moody, Santos - None of the fundamental 4. -3 in 4 minutes.

Spencer didn't get to play in a lineup with the team's best players being a majority and he had TJD in nearly all of them. Mind you TJD was negative in the other lineups he was in in that game. True Spencer's numbers in this game don't give an argument for him to play more but apparently Kerr thought it was enough to start TJD in the succeeding games.

On the other hand in Game 1 Spencer had the following to argue in his favor:

Hield, Butler, Spencer, GPII, Looney - 2 of the fundamental 4. +6 in 1 minute.

Hield, Green, Spencer, GPII, Looney - 2 of the fundamental 4. +4 in 1 minute.

But after Game 1 we never saw those lineups again. For a true test of Spencer's playability or not try those.


Again lmao. You know why Spencer can't play with Draymond and Jimmy, other than the fact that he's a g-league player who's better at lacrosse than basketball?TWENTY PERCENT 3-POINT SHOOTER. He's literally the worst 3-point shooter on the team, out of anyone that's actually attempted any. Just stop man. If you aren't trolling, then you're wildly delusional.

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