Will Richard Thread

[GS Warriors 1]

It's going to get crowded soon, but he's certainly doing the work that can get him in the plans going forward.

[floppymoose]

Meanwhile the Mavs had to bench Klay.

[Nvnervous45]

Meanwhile the Mavs had to bench Klay.

Poor guy. He is way past his prime....

[AirP.]

When you hit on a 2nd round pick like it looks like GS did with Richard and also lock him in on an incredible value (unlike they did with Post last year), you have to utilize that luck.

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[Onus]

When you hit on a 2nd round pick like it looks like GS did with Richard and also lock him in on an incredible value (unlike they did with Post last year), you have to utilize that luck.

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The thing is we need more players like Will. Really signing GP2 and Seth wasn't the move to make.

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When you hit on a 2nd round pick like it looks like GS did with Richard and also lock him in on an incredible value (unlike they did with Post last year), you have to utilize that luck.

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The thing is we need more players like Will. Really signing GP2 and Seth wasn't the move to make.

They need to pivot on Seth Curry. That does not fill a need.

[AirP.]

When you hit on a 2nd round pick like it looks like GS did with Richard and also lock him in on an incredible value (unlike they did with Post last year), you have to utilize that luck.

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The thing is we need more players like Will. Really signing GP2 and Seth wasn't the move to make.

They need to pivot on Seth Curry. That does not fill a need.

Adding Curry could make someone ahead of him tradable so GS can reshape some of the roster.

I'm just going to keep saying there needs to be an innings eater at center that can be consistent. 2 pts in 48 minutes from the center position is horrific which happened to GS in the Sacramento game who had some of their top players out.

[HiRez]

I like Richard a lot, but let's temper our enthusiasm a bit. Anthony Morrow dropped 37 in his 4th NBA game but basically flamed out after his rookie contract.

[Swift21]

The thing is we need more players like Will. Really signing GP2 and Seth wasn't the move to make.

They need to pivot on Seth Curry. That does not fill a need.

Adding Curry could make someone ahead of him tradable so GS can reshape some of the roster.

I'm just going to keep saying there needs to be an innings eater at center that can be consistent. 2 pts in 48 minutes from the center position is horrific which happened to GS in the Sacramento game who had some of their top players out.

If that's the case you revisit that after the trade deadline. It's not like Seth Curry is in demand right now.

[AirP.]

I like Richard a lot, but let's temper our enthusiasm a bit. Anthony Morrow dropped 37 in his 4th NBA game but basically flamed out after his rookie contract.

I don't care about this last game and his 30 points; he was already playing the right way before this game. I don't even know if he'll ever have another 30-point game in the next 2-3 years, what I do know already is he'll give effort on defense, look to take open 3s, hit a decent amount of them and make himself available for passes by reading what the defense is giving up. I'm not even saying he's a starting level player, but I do think he's a capable option in a rotation for a good team.

[AirP.]

They need to pivot on Seth Curry. That does not fill a need.

Adding Curry could make someone ahead of him tradable so GS can reshape some of the roster.

I'm just going to keep saying there needs to be an innings eater at center that can be consistent. 2 pts in 48 minutes from the center position is horrific which happened to GS in the Sacramento game who had some of their top players out.

If that's the case you revisit that after the trade deadline. It's not like Seth Curry is in demand right now.

Why wait, what other options are there on the open market? Plus, it seems like there is some type of agreement already between Seth and GS or he may have signed with someone else and possibly for more than the minimum.

[Swift21]

Adding Curry could make someone ahead of him tradable so GS can reshape some of the roster.

I'm just going to keep saying there needs to be an innings eater at center that can be consistent. 2 pts in 48 minutes from the center position is horrific which happened to GS in the Sacramento game who had some of their top players out.

If that's the case you revisit that after the trade deadline. It's not like Seth Curry is in demand right now.

Why wait, what other options are there on the open market? Plus, it seems like there is some type of agreement already between Seth and GS or he may have signed with someone else and possibly for more than the minimum.

Why not wait? On open roster spot gives you more flexibility at the trade deadline.

[marthafokker]

Meanwhile the Mavs had to bench Klay.

Poor guy. He is way past his prime....

So glad he turned down Dubs offer. Would be cap hell now.

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The thing is we need more players like Will. Really signing GP2 and Seth wasn't the move to make.

They need to pivot on Seth Curry. That does not fill a need.

Adding Curry could make someone ahead of him tradable so GS can reshape some of the roster.

I'm just going to keep saying there needs to be an innings eater at center that can be consistent. 2 pts in 48 minutes from the center position is horrific which happened to GS in the Sacramento game who had some of their top players out.

I am hoping Grizz keep stinking. I want their kangaroo center... Kerr will love him . Hopefully GP2 and some 2nd will work in the trade.

[Onus]

The thing is we need more players like Will. Really signing GP2 and Seth wasn't the move to make.

They need to pivot on Seth Curry. That does not fill a need.

Adding Curry could make someone ahead of him tradable so GS can reshape some of the roster.

I'm just going to keep saying there needs to be an innings eater at center that can be consistent. 2 pts in 48 minutes from the center position is horrific which happened to GS in the Sacramento game who had some of their top players out.

I don't think adding Seth makes anyone ahead of him more tradeable other than Buddy. If we are to make a trade the contracts that we have available to trade are

JK 22.5
MM 11.5
BH 9.2
BP 3.8

Everyone else is basically vet mins or someone we won't trade.

We have a ton of 2/3s and need more players to play our 4/5 positions. Now that Precious signed with the Kings the only other big that is interesting is Ben Simmons. I guess Trey Lyles could be interesting. But really anyone we bring in is likely to be our 3rd center (Dray, Horford are going to play when they're healthy) or 4th pf (JB, Dray, JK). I guess we can try to bury Post on the bench but I'd rather him get playing time.

I'd rather get better perimeter defenders who can shoot. Get me more players like Moody and Richard and Melton that can fit in and around Steph, Jimmy, Dray if they're taller better. I think Moody should be our 4th closing player and then the 5th can swing between Horford, JK, Melton, Podz. IDK we still haven't even seen this team fully healthy yet, I'm still not convinced a plodding shot blocking center is what we need, I think I'd rather get a poa defender that can shoot. Think Curry/Moody/??/JB/Dray is just missing another defender shooter, rather than getting a innings eater at the 5.

[AirP.]

They need to pivot on Seth Curry. That does not fill a need.

Adding Curry could make someone ahead of him tradable so GS can reshape some of the roster.

I'm just going to keep saying there needs to be an innings eater at center that can be consistent. 2 pts in 48 minutes from the center position is horrific which happened to GS in the Sacramento game who had some of their top players out.

I don't think adding Seth makes anyone ahead of him more tradeable other than Buddy. If we are to make a trade the contracts that we have available to trade are

JK 22.5
MM 11.5
BH 9.2
BP 3.8

Everyone else is basically vet mins or someone we won't trade.

We have a ton of 2/3s and need more players to play our 4/5 positions. Now that Precious signed with the Kings the only other big that is interesting is Ben Simmons. I guess Trey Lyles could be interesting. But really anyone we bring in is likely to be our 3rd center (Dray, Horford are going to play when they're healthy) or 4th pf (JB, Dray, JK). I guess we can try to bury Post on the bench but I'd rather him get playing time.

I'd rather get better perimeter defenders who can shoot. Get me more players like Moody and Richard and Melton that can fit in and around Steph, Jimmy, Dray if they're taller better. I think Moody should be our 4th closing player and then the 5th can swing between Horford, JK, Melton, Podz. IDK we still haven't even seen this team fully healthy yet, I'm still not convinced a plodding shot blocking center is what we need, I think I'd rather get a poa defender that can shoot. Think Curry/Moody/??/JB/Dray is just missing another defender shooter, rather than getting a innings eater at the 5.

The 5 is going to cost GS a lot of games. GS lost the Sacramento game late in 4th getting 2 points from 48 minutes at the center position. I'm looking at this roster and wondering who won't be getting minutes come playoff time or who isn't possibly in that top 8-9 man rotation that can handle being in the playoff rotation.

Looking at this roster in the future...

Guards....
Curry, Melton, Podz, Curry (when signed, I believe GS and Seth have an agreement already hence me going with he's going to be signed)
G/F
Moody, Richard, GP2, Hield
Forwards
Butler, Kuminga, Hield, Draymond, Santos
F/C
Green, Horford, Post, TJD

You need 8-9 players for the playoff rotation and a couple others getting a couple minutes here and there. Moves have to be made to straighten out this roster and I think Kerr is experimenting who will work with who.

We have a good idea Curry, Green and Butler won't be moved, I'd expand that list to also include Melton and Horford. That's 5 out of the 8-9 rotation players for the playoffs.

So now we're talking about 3-4 of the rest of the players rounding out the playoff roster... Kuminga, Moody, Richard, Hield, Podz and Post, that then leaves GP2, Seth (when signed), Santos, TJD as the guys to get a minute or 2 here and there and all but probably Seth highly tradable but there's very little salary tied to them. If Seth is signed you can make a lopsided trade by 1 player 3 players for 2 or 2 players for 1 without worrying about having enough money under the hard cap to sign your 14th player.

If Podz was making ~10 mil a year, he'd be my pick of moving to get a better fit for this roster, I think he's worth more than a non-lottery 1st round pick.
If Kuminga wasn't trying to fit in he'd absolutely would be my pick to trade to find a better fit for the roster, I'm not 100% sold on him not becoming greedier later in the season. He's got a higher ceiling then Moody is the only reason I wouldn't CURRENTLY move him before Moody, but that could change.
Moody, who I like would be who I may trade (if you say you'd rather move Kuminga before Moody, I'm fine with that). He's got a smaller contract but not near the minimum and should be an in-demand player.

I don't like it probably has to be Moody (unless other moves are made before him) but you can't stand still and not make the roster better because of Moody... or Kuminga or... Podz. I currently value Moody the best of those 3, Kuminga has the highest ceiling and Kerr just like Podz and he's got too low of a salary to really do much with it.

The near minimum guys, I'd probably move nearly any of them except Richard to try to upgrade, but you're highly limited by their salaries to find a better fit on the roster.

[Onus]

Adding Curry could make someone ahead of him tradable so GS can reshape some of the roster.

I'm just going to keep saying there needs to be an innings eater at center that can be consistent. 2 pts in 48 minutes from the center position is horrific which happened to GS in the Sacramento game who had some of their top players out.

I don't think adding Seth makes anyone ahead of him more tradeable other than Buddy. If we are to make a trade the contracts that we have available to trade are

JK 22.5
MM 11.5
BH 9.2
BP 3.8

Everyone else is basically vet mins or someone we won't trade.

We have a ton of 2/3s and need more players to play our 4/5 positions. Now that Precious signed with the Kings the only other big that is interesting is Ben Simmons. I guess Trey Lyles could be interesting. But really anyone we bring in is likely to be our 3rd center (Dray, Horford are going to play when they're healthy) or 4th pf (JB, Dray, JK). I guess we can try to bury Post on the bench but I'd rather him get playing time.

I'd rather get better perimeter defenders who can shoot. Get me more players like Moody and Richard and Melton that can fit in and around Steph, Jimmy, Dray if they're taller better. I think Moody should be our 4th closing player and then the 5th can swing between Horford, JK, Melton, Podz. IDK we still haven't even seen this team fully healthy yet, I'm still not convinced a plodding shot blocking center is what we need, I think I'd rather get a poa defender that can shoot. Think Curry/Moody/??/JB/Dray is just missing another defender shooter, rather than getting a innings eater at the 5.

The 5 is going to cost GS a lot of games. GS lost the Sacramento game late in 4th getting 2 points from 48 minutes at the center position. I'm looking at this roster and wondering who won't be getting minutes come playoff time or who isn't possibly in that top 8-9 man rotation that can handle being in the playoff rotation.

Looking at this roster in the future...

Guards....
Curry, Melton, Podz, Curry (when signed, I believe GS and Seth have an agreement already hence me going with he's going to be signed)
G/F
Moody, Richard, GP2, Hield
Forwards
Butler, Kuminga, Hield, Draymond, Santos
F/C
Green, Horford, Post, TJD

You need 8-9 players for the playoff rotation and a couple others getting a couple minutes here and there. Moves have to be made to straighten out this roster and I think Kerr is experimenting who will work with who.

We have a good idea Curry, Green and Butler won't be moved, I'd expand that list to also include Melton and Horford. That's 5 out of the 8-9 rotation players for the playoffs.

So now we're talking about 3-4 of the rest of the players rounding out the playoff roster... Kuminga, Moody, Richard, Hield, Podz and Post, that then leaves GP2, Seth (when signed), Santos, TJD as the guys to get a minute or 2 here and there and all but probably Seth highly tradable but there's very little salary tied to them. If Seth is signed you can make a lopsided trade by 1 player 3 players for 2 or 2 players for 1 without worrying about having enough money under the hard cap to sign your 14th player.

If Podz was making ~10 mil a year, he'd be my pick of moving to get a better fit for this roster, I think he's worth more than a non-lottery 1st round pick.
If Kuminga wasn't trying to fit in he'd absolutely would be my pick to trade to find a better fit for the roster, I'm not 100% sold on him not becoming greedier later in the season. He's got a higher ceiling then Moody is the only reason I wouldn't CURRENTLY move him before Moody, but that could change.
Moody, who I like would be who I may trade (if you say you'd rather move Kuminga before Moody, I'm fine with that). He's got a smaller contract but not near the minimum and should be an in-demand player.

I don't like it probably has to be Moody (unless other moves are made before him) but you can't stand still and not make the roster better because of Moody... or Kuminga or... Podz. I currently value Moody the best of those 3, Kuminga has the highest ceiling and Kerr just like Podz and he's got too low of a salary to really do much with it.

The near minimum guys, I'd probably move nearly any of them except Richard to try to upgrade, but you're highly limited by their salaries to find a better fit on the roster.

Tbh I don’t think the lack of production from the center position is what cost us. Yea it would’ve been nice if horford hit a 3, he sure was getting them up but I thought he was fine defensively for the most part, it’s not like we were getting abused by their center or unable to rebound. It really is our lack of perimeter defense that killed us. No one could stay in front of Schroeder and then we couldn’t run any offense on our end. So I don’t see how a center would’ve solved those issues.

I’d move jk of the 3. Jk has the highest ceiling but what is that ceiling? A no 1 scoring option? The likelihood of him hitting that is slim. A no 2 scoring option? He doesn’t really have complimentary skill set. He’s still not good on defense, he doesn’t really space the floor. His best thing he added this year is his passing but his way to score still doesn’t inspire confidence. Getting blocked by Schroeder in the block? Driving into traffic and getting stripped constantly? This is year 5 and being an actual no 1 option this late into his career seems far fetched. Like you think in 5 years he’s going to be going 1v1 against Luka, SGA, wemby, Cade? I don’t see it.

Moody on the other hand is our best perimeter defender. He fills in the gaps. Is competitive on the boards. Has come out on fire this year. He fills his role as 3 and d. I doubt he grows to be more than that but whatever. When Steph retires we are going to need a rebuild anyway.

Podz might actually be harder to replace. Ball handlers that can shoot and not be a complete sieve on defense are really hard to find. So many teams are really trying to abandon pgs altogether they’re so hard to find. Yes podz isn’t a prototypical pg that will generate offense every trip down but he can bring the ball up against ball pressure, get the ball to who it needs to get to. Can shoot gives effort on defense. Seriously the pg position is lacking across the league. Backup pgs aren’t good across the league. There’s hardly even 30 starting level pgs in the league currently. We trade podz and that means we’re relying on Spencer to be our backup pg who really doesn’t do anything well other than dribble and compete.

So long winded response to say I’d trade jk of these 3 first. If there’s a trade to get someone that will always be in our closing 5 then yea I’d trade any of them with moody being the one i would out the longest for.

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I’d move jk of the 3. Jk has the highest ceiling but what is that ceiling? A no 1 scoring option? The likelihood of him hitting that is slim. A no 2 scoring option? He doesn’t really have complimentary skill set. He’s still not good on defense, he doesn’t really space the floor. His best thing he added this year is his passing but his way to score still doesn’t inspire confidence. Getting blocked by Schroeder in the block? Driving into traffic and getting stripped constantly? This is year 5 and being an actual no 1 option this late into his career seems far fetched. Like you think in 5 years he’s going to be going 1v1 against Luka, SGA, wemby, Cade? I don’t see it.

I believe Kuminga's ceiling is a player you can play through for him to score or possibly create for others; he's still a couple years away. #1 options to me are dominate offensive players which I don't think Kuminga will get to. Curry obviously is one and when Butler wants to score vs facilitate can be a #1 option (which he would show in the playoffs when he looked around and didn't have an Embiid, Towns, Wiggins or now Curry to offload some of the offense too).

Moody on the other hand is our best perimeter defender. He fills in the gaps. Is competitive on the boards. Has come out on fire this year. He fills his role as 3 and d. I doubt he grows to be more than that but whatever. When Steph retires we are going to need a rebuild anyway.

I think Moody is a good role-player (like most NBA players cap out as). He doesn't have the handles or creativity to be an engine for an offense which isn't a bad thing, he can hit 3s, he can attack the rim, he plays defense and doesn't usually play outside his role. He's a player any team can use.

Podz might actually be harder to replace. Ball handlers that can shoot and not be a complete sieve on defense are really hard to find. So many teams are really trying to abandon pgs altogether they’re so hard to find. Yes podz isn’t a prototypical pg that will generate offense every trip down but he can bring the ball up against ball pressure, get the ball to who it needs to get to. Can shoot gives effort on defense. Seriously the pg position is lacking across the league. Backup pgs aren’t good across the league. There’s hardly even 30 starting level pgs in the league currently. We trade podz and that means we’re relying on Spencer to be our backup pg who really doesn’t do anything well other than dribble and compete.

I'm not down on Podz like it seems a lot are, but he plays a little out of his lane sometimes. He can create for himself or others, he can handle the ball some he can shoot 3s and seems to be a good rebounder which can help you change ends faster but he's not good on defense. Right now Spencer would be his replacement which isn't good, but at some time Melton shoud be around.

So long winded response to say I’d trade jk of these 3 first. If there’s a trade to get someone that will always be in our closing 5 then yea I’d trade any of them with moody being the one i would out the longest for.

If Kuminga wasn't buying in I'm there with you, also I think you can replace some of Moody's role with Richard (I usually don't think rookies are reliable, but I'm ok with Richard). Currently, if I were a coach, the order I'd trust the players to play their role on the court it would be Moody, Podz and then Kuminga. Kuminga buying in really created a situation, I expected to be ready this season to ship Kuminga out with assets to get 20+ million in salaries back to strengthen this roster.

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I’d move jk of the 3. Jk has the highest ceiling but what is that ceiling? A no 1 scoring option? The likelihood of him hitting that is slim. A no 2 scoring option? He doesn’t really have complimentary skill set. He’s still not good on defense, he doesn’t really space the floor. His best thing he added this year is his passing but his way to score still doesn’t inspire confidence. Getting blocked by Schroeder in the block? Driving into traffic and getting stripped constantly? This is year 5 and being an actual no 1 option this late into his career seems far fetched. Like you think in 5 years he’s going to be going 1v1 against Luka, SGA, wemby, Cade? I don’t see it.

I believe Kuminga's ceiling is a player you can play through for him to score or possibly create for others; he's still a couple years away. #1 options to me are dominate offensive players which I don't think Kuminga will get to. Curry obviously is one and when Butler wants to score vs facilitate can be a #1 option (which he would show in the playoffs when he looked around and didn't have an Embiid, Towns, Wiggins or now Curry to offload some of the offense too).

Moody on the other hand is our best perimeter defender. He fills in the gaps. Is competitive on the boards. Has come out on fire this year. He fills his role as 3 and d. I doubt he grows to be more than that but whatever. When Steph retires we are going to need a rebuild anyway.

I think Moody is a good role-player (like most NBA players cap out as). He doesn't have the handles or creativity to be an engine for an offense which isn't a bad thing, he can hit 3s, he can attack the rim, he plays defense and doesn't usually play outside his role. He's a player any team can use.

Podz might actually be harder to replace. Ball handlers that can shoot and not be a complete sieve on defense are really hard to find. So many teams are really trying to abandon pgs altogether they’re so hard to find. Yes podz isn’t a prototypical pg that will generate offense every trip down but he can bring the ball up against ball pressure, get the ball to who it needs to get to. Can shoot gives effort on defense. Seriously the pg position is lacking across the league. Backup pgs aren’t good across the league. There’s hardly even 30 starting level pgs in the league currently. We trade podz and that means we’re relying on Spencer to be our backup pg who really doesn’t do anything well other than dribble and compete.

I'm not down on Podz like it seems a lot are, but he plays a little out of his lane sometimes. He can create for himself or others, he can handle the ball some he can shoot 3s and seems to be a good rebounder which can help you change ends faster but he's not good on defense. Right now Spencer would be his replacement which isn't good, but at some time Melton shoud be around.

So long winded response to say I’d trade jk of these 3 first. If there’s a trade to get someone that will always be in our closing 5 then yea I’d trade any of them with moody being the one i would out the longest for.

If Kuminga wasn't buying in I'm there with you, also I think you can replace some of Moody's role with Richard (I usually don't think rookies are reliable, but I'm ok with Richard). Currently, if I were a coach, the order I'd trust the players to play their role on the court it would be Moody, Podz and then Kuminga. Kuminga buying in really created a situation, I expected to be ready this season to ship Kuminga out with assets to get 20+ million in salaries back to strengthen this roster.

So if jk is not a no 1 option but you want to run offense through him does that mean he’s a 6th man as your ceiling? Hes still a few years away from it. Hes definitely improved this year and seems more likely that you might be able to run offense through since he’s passing the ball more. So there’s definitely upside there. For me though it’s the defense. If he were defending better he’d be at the top of the list but his defense is just so inconsistent that you can’t trust him out there.

Melton isn’t a pg either he can do some ball handling but I don’t think he has the handling to bring the ball up consistently and run an offense against pressure. Plus you’re really expanding his role and who knows how long he’ll be healthy for.

Richard is fine for a rookie but there’s no way I would want to rely on him in the playoffs as our best perimeter defender let alone trust him shooting.