Monta to make 10X His salary Next year?

[TunaFish]

There is a rumor coming off of Denver's radio station 95kkfn that the Warriors may be shopping Ellis. Anyone there heard anything?

I wonder if the amount of contract that Ellis would be asking for is causing some payroll concern?

[FNQ]

Some sort of knowledge?

Telling people what probably happened because it makes a lot of sense is passing off my opinion as fact?

No... I'm challenging someone to disprove it logically... they can't... therefore my educated guessing has now become a fact, and the homer patrol lines up to take potshots at the poster and not the idea

If you guys were just not so stubborn and admitted you didn't have any basis to not believe what I wrote other than comtempt for me personally, there wouldn't be anything pompous about it... if you are going to disagree, have a reason or just say you dont have one.... you are all attacking mundane details and how I present my argument...

[Sid the Squid]

There is a rumor coming off of Denver's radio station 95kkfn that the Warriors may be shopping Ellis. Anyone there heard anything?

I wonder if the amount of contract that Ellis would be asking for is causing some payroll concern?

I just heard a rumor here on our Bay Area sports station KBUL 670...Denver supposdedly turned down a Ellis for Najera deal

Damn it Mullie

[azwfan]

If we shave 5 mil off the Richardson deal, and assuming Baron doesn't opt out, we still would have had enough to resign both Tay and Dre...

The reason we did that w/CHA was Yi... when I say incidental, I mean that that wasn't the reason we did the trade... it was a byproduct. A very beneficial one, but by no means something that would make or break the deal.

I enjoyed this thread, but i had to respond to this posting.

Your logic is flawed.

If the reason for the trade is to get Yi, then the trade would have been dependant on getting Yi.

If the reason for the trade was to shave off 10 million off our cap, then there would have not been any dependence on who was there.

It is possible that the W's thought Yi would be there and they went forward with the trade thinking that, but more then likely, it went down how another poster (i think Sleepy) said it. The W's wanted to shave off Jrich's salary and get a top 10 pick. They liked the young players that would be available when that pick comes up, so they moved forward with it. If they drafted Brandan wright, then they wanted brandan wright... at least more then anyone else who was available at the time.

[St.Nick]

Some sort of knowledge?

Telling people what probably happened because it makes a lot of sense is passing off my opinion as fact?

No... I'm challenging someone to disprove it logically... they can't... therefore my educated guessing has now become a fact, and the homer patrol lines up to take potshots at the poster and not the idea

If you guys were just not so stubborn and admitted you didn't have any basis to not believe what I wrote other than comtempt for me personally, there wouldn't be anything pompous about it... if you are going to disagree, have a reason or just say you dont have one.... you are all attacking mundane details and how I present my argument...

Is there a RealGM psychologist that could sink their teeth into this one?

I'm guessing paranoia and narcissism, but I'm just an amateur.

[thetrueth]

Some sort of knowledge?

Telling people what probably happened because it makes a lot of sense is passing off my opinion as fact?

No... I'm challenging someone to disprove it logically... they can't... therefore my educated guessing has now become a fact, and the homer patrol lines up to take potshots at the poster and not the idea

If you guys were just not so stubborn and admitted you didn't have any basis to not believe what I wrote other than comtempt for me personally, there wouldn't be anything pompous about it... if you are going to disagree, have a reason or just say you dont have one.... you are all attacking mundane details and how I present my argument...

in case you missed my post, its the last one on page 5

[TunaFish]

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I just heard a rumor here on our Bay Area sports station KBUL 670...Denver supposdedly turned down a Ellis for Najera deal

Damn it Mullie

I'll bet everyone there is familar with KBUL.

[FNQ]

[quote="azwfan"][/quote]

There's no flawed logic... MIL threw a wrench into everything by drafting Yi and refusing to part with him.

There were 4 teams really in the running for Yi, that he wanted to play for... we leap-frogged one because of a deal that would knock out 3 issues for us right then and there:

-Jrich's deal
-getting Yi, a PF Nellie actually likes
-saving money

If it were just to save money, Higgins would know this and not offer up the 1st... dare them to try and find value elsewhere and come back.

The trade was for the pick, and the pick was assumed to get Yi... MIL screwed us (but in retrospect... )

If we were looking for capspace, we could have easily found a PF/C Nellie likes more in addition to the capspace necessary to keep Tay and Dre..

[FNQ]

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in case you missed my post, its the last one on page 5

Just saw it... point being that Charlotte's cap space was unique but not necessary... the #1 aspect was the pick, there really can't be any debating that... otherwise why would Nellie, a guy who wants to win now, get worse by drafting someone who he wouldn't play?

[Sleepy51]

[quote="azwfan"][/quote]

No,
That wasn't me. I'm inclined to agree with a lot of 510's assumptions (just not necessarily his latter conclusions)

I think it makes all the sense in the world that Nellie was targeting Yi. Brandan slipping and being available was an unexpected bonus, but not a bonus that Nellie could envision as game ready as soon as the much older Yi.

I don't think wanting Yi means Nellie thinks Brandan is crap. I think, it's just about Brandan being so damn young. Nellie can't get past that, so he's missed the boat on getting him game minutes to help and develop this year. that doesn't mean he isn't totally happy with the pick, he just never saw him as a "this year" guy: higher ceiling, but lower foundation.

I also think the neverending Pietrus trade showcase has been an obstacle. Hopefully that's over with soon.

[ATRAIN53]

10x his salary and another gaggle of $$$ in marketing deals....

this kid is so marketable it's not even funny. between him and Roy the NBA has found it's newest stars.

it took me about 3 games to become a serious monta junkie. i'm having definate withdrawls out here in chicago.

[St.Nick]

Sleepy...please process this info and respond:

"(The Bucks Del) Harris said the Bucks received a glowing report on Yi from Golden State coach Don Nelson, who watched him in a recent workout at the player's base in Los Angeles."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=626209

Explain why Don Nelson would give a glowing report about the player he wants to draft, to the team picking ahead of him?

This actual piece of EVIDENCE speaks volumes in countering the idea that Nellie expected to have Yi there at #8 and gave up all interest when he discovered that he wasn't there.

[rone415]

Some sort of knowledge?

Telling people what probably happened because it makes a lot of sense is passing off my opinion as fact?

No... I'm challenging someone to disprove it logically... they can't... therefore my educated guessing has now become a fact, and the homer patrol lines up to take potshots at the poster and not the idea

If you guys were just not so stubborn and admitted you didn't have any basis to not believe what I wrote other than comtempt for me personally, there wouldn't be anything pompous about it... if you are going to disagree, have a reason or just say you dont have one.... you are all attacking mundane details and how I present my argument...

Dude you're full of yourself.

[Sleepy51]

Sleepy...please process this info and respond:

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I dunno . . . reverse psychologism?

My take is that Brandan wasn't supposed to be available at 8 and there's enough floating around to indicate that a deal was in place long before CHA's pick.

In the post draft interviews I always thought that both Don and Chris were absolutely floored that they managed to get Brandan. Their comments and schoolgirlish giggling gave me the sense that they never though they should have had a prayer of getting him.



None of this means I think Nellie thinks of Brandan as a bad pick. He's just not ready to trust a 19 year old. Bummer.

[nbenmargi]

Monta deserves 5/55.

[Sleepy51]

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Dude you're full of yourself.

Talking about "him" rather than the basketball can only make it worse.

[gswlego]

Monta deserves 5/55.

Why not give him 7 years.. 77/7

[St.Nick]

I don't think Brandan was supposed to be there at #8, either. Shocking that Seattle wanted Jeff Green, Milwaukee wanted Yi, and Minnesota wanted Corey Brewer.

I think GS WANTED Brandan, but would've been content taking Noah, Brewer, Thornton, Green or Yi. One of these guys was guaranteed to be there at #8.

Of course, this doesn't all of the sudden lead to the assumption that picking Brandan wasn't approved by Nellie. It also doesn't prove that Nellie was shooting for Yi. It's certainly a possibility, but when reading that quote from DN to Del Harris, one has to wonder what game Nellie was playing.

[thetrueth]

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Just saw it... point being that Charlotte's cap space was unique but not necessary... the #1 aspect was the pick, there really can't be any debating that... otherwise why would Nellie, a guy who wants to win now, get worse by drafting someone who he wouldn't play?

i disagree, with the first part. I think the salary shedding was the #1 reason, and if possible 1a, in a getting a player thats perfect for this team. In retrospect, this was a fantastic fantastic trade. Where would we be without it? No Bwright, financially capped, and difficult to sign both tay and Beans.

In response to the part i bolded, do you think Nellie believes Yi was better for winning now than Jrich? I dont think so, and so it breaks the reasoning that the pick was priority #1, rather than the salary shed.

[warriortone]

I thought this thread was about Monta's new contract. Anyhow, I think he gets at least what K Mart got. It would be a minor miracle if he only got ten times his current salary.