Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[FNQ]

Pels:
Ball
Gabriel
2022 1st

GSW:
Oubre

So.. the Pelicans are going to give us a 1st to take on the expiring Oubre? Cant see that going over well

[FNQ]

Lonzo has a higher career 3 point % than Oubre. Both have been very inconsistent in their careers, but have trended up last season.

But Lonzo will pass the ball to Steph. Thats my deciding factor.

And he'll pass the ball to Wiseman, at the right time and place.

And he'll hit Wiggins when he's open.

Lonzo's a playmaker who can run the offense and get people open. As much as we need shooters (which we do), we also need more guys who can actually help optimize the scorers we do have on the team.

Dont the Pelicans need the same thing? And they also have Ingram at the 3, Zion at the 4... so where are they putting Oubre?

Starting to come together IMO.. there's no way this trade is happening without draft capital leaving GS. Either that or we're getting all hyped up about an offer we made to the Pels that they probably easily turned down

Oubre for JJ makes sense for both sides at least, without draft capital switching hands

[DaHef]

Pels:
Ball
Gabriel
2022 1st

GSW:
Oubre

So.. the Pelicans are going to give us a 1st to take on the expiring Oubre? Cant see that going over well

Perhaps a pick swap option for GSW would have a better chance.

[JMAC3]

Just combing through the last few pages of this thread and it sounds like Oubre is not in the long-term plans. You already have 164 Million invested in next seasons guaranteed salaries which is well above the projected Luxury Tax Line even before resigning Oubre or a replacement. What are you looking for in return for Oubre? I would guess an expiring and low cost role player who you can retain into next year would make the most sense, but I also have not been thinking on the subject more than 10 minutes.

I've seen several mention trading for Lonzo with Oubre which could make sense, but are you going to be willing to give him 13+ Million a season and put your salary near the 180 Million dollar mark?

I would assume the plan is to use that Twolves pick you are owed this year to dump off Wiggins salary, but I am not sure how you feel about Wiggins long-term. Would you rather dump off Greens? If you would prefer to keep the pick then maybe trading Wiggins to someone like Toronto or Cleveland for an expiring Lowry/Drummond could make sense as well.

Just some thoughts from an NBA guy.

[Mylie10]

Just combing through the last few pages of this thread and it sounds like Oubre is not in the long-term plans. You already have 164 Million invested in next seasons guaranteed salaries which is well above the projected Luxury Tax Line even before resigning Oubre or a replacement. What are you looking for in return for Oubre? I would guess an expiring and low cost role player who you can retain into next year would make the most sense, but I also have not been thinking on the subject more than 10 minutes.

I've seen several mention trading for Lonzo with Oubre which could make sense, but are you going to be willing to give him 13+ Million a season and put your salary near the 180 Million dollar mark?

I would assume the plan is to use that Twolves pick you are owed this year to dump off Wiggins salary, but I am not sure how you feel about Wiggins long-term. Would you rather dump off Greens? If you would prefer to keep the pick then maybe trading Wiggins to someone like Toronto or Cleveland for an expiring Lowry/Drummond could make sense as well.

Just some thoughts from an NBA guy.

Hi NBA guy,

First off, The Wiggins money preserves a Max salary slot for the Warriors in case they want to go all in for a star that fits.

Secondly, Wiggins is filling a role and playing the best defense he has in his career. His scoring numbers are down, but his efficiency is up. And when you envision his role when Klay comes back, he fits even better as a 4th option.

Yes thats a ton of money for a 4th option, but at this point that salary slot is extremely important for an ownership with deep pockets.

The Minny pick is way to valuable to just dump Wiggins. You only deal that pick if you are getting a legit piece back. So salary dump is out of the question.

[tarantism]

Lonzo has a higher career 3 point % than Oubre. Both have been very inconsistent in their careers, but have trended up last season.

But Lonzo will pass the ball to Steph. Thats my deciding factor.

And he'll pass the ball to Wiseman, at the right time and place.

And he'll hit Wiggins when he's open.

Lonzo's a playmaker who can run the offense and get people open. As much as we need shooters (which we do), we also need more guys who can actually help optimize the scorers we do have on the team.

Dont the Pelicans need the same thing? And they also have Ingram at the 3, Zion at the 4... so where are they putting Oubre?

Starting to come together IMO.. there's no way this trade is happening without draft capital leaving GS. Either that or we're getting all hyped up about an offer we made to the Pels that they probably easily turned down

Oubre for JJ makes sense for both sides at least, without draft capital switching hands

The Pels called the Warriors. Confirmed by multiple sources, including Kerr.

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[JMAC3]

Just combing through the last few pages of this thread and it sounds like Oubre is not in the long-term plans. You already have 164 Million invested in next seasons guaranteed salaries which is well above the projected Luxury Tax Line even before resigning Oubre or a replacement. What are you looking for in return for Oubre? I would guess an expiring and low cost role player who you can retain into next year would make the most sense, but I also have not been thinking on the subject more than 10 minutes.

I've seen several mention trading for Lonzo with Oubre which could make sense, but are you going to be willing to give him 13+ Million a season and put your salary near the 180 Million dollar mark?

I would assume the plan is to use that Twolves pick you are owed this year to dump off Wiggins salary, but I am not sure how you feel about Wiggins long-term. Would you rather dump off Greens? If you would prefer to keep the pick then maybe trading Wiggins to someone like Toronto or Cleveland for an expiring Lowry/Drummond could make sense as well.

Just some thoughts from an NBA guy.

Hi NBA guy,

First off, The Wiggins money preserves a Max salary slot for the Warriors in case they want to go all in for a star that fits.

Secondly, Wiggins is filling a role and playing the best defense he has in his career. His scoring numbers are down, but his efficiency is up. And when you envision his role when Klay comes back, he fits even better as a 4th option.

Yes thats a ton of money for a 4th option, but at this point that salary slot is extremely important for an ownership with deep pockets.

The Minny pick is way to valuable to just dump Wiggins. You only deal that pick if you are getting a legit piece back. So salary dump is out of the question.

I get the Wiggins salary slot thing and your owners having a lot of money, but are they going to be okay paying that much in Luxury tax?

Is the goal to trade Oubre for guaranteed salary next year even further raising the teams salary?

[tarantism]

Just combing through the last few pages of this thread and it sounds like Oubre is not in the long-term plans. You already have 164 Million invested in next seasons guaranteed salaries which is well above the projected Luxury Tax Line even before resigning Oubre or a replacement. What are you looking for in return for Oubre? I would guess an expiring and low cost role player who you can retain into next year would make the most sense, but I also have not been thinking on the subject more than 10 minutes.

I've seen several mention trading for Lonzo with Oubre which could make sense, but are you going to be willing to give him 13+ Million a season and put your salary near the 180 Million dollar mark?

I would assume the plan is to use that Twolves pick you are owed this year to dump off Wiggins salary, but I am not sure how you feel about Wiggins long-term. Would you rather dump off Greens? If you would prefer to keep the pick then maybe trading Wiggins to someone like Toronto or Cleveland for an expiring Lowry/Drummond could make sense as well.

Just some thoughts from an NBA guy.

Hi NBA guy,

First off, The Wiggins money preserves a Max salary slot for the Warriors in case they want to go all in for a star that fits.

Secondly, Wiggins is filling a role and playing the best defense he has in his career. His scoring numbers are down, but his efficiency is up. And when you envision his role when Klay comes back, he fits even better as a 4th option.

Yes thats a ton of money for a 4th option, but at this point that salary slot is extremely important for an ownership with deep pockets.

The Minny pick is way to valuable to just dump Wiggins. You only deal that pick if you are getting a legit piece back. So salary dump is out of the question.

I get the Wiggins salary slot thing and your owners having a lot of money, but are they going to be okay paying that much in Luxury tax?

Is the goal to trade Oubre for guaranteed salary next year even further raising the teams salary?

It is in fact our goal to keep the entire league afloat using luxury tax spending.

[xdrta+]

Hi NBA guy,

First off, The Wiggins money preserves a Max salary slot for the Warriors in case they want to go all in for a star that fits.

Secondly, Wiggins is filling a role and playing the best defense he has in his career. His scoring numbers are down, but his efficiency is up. And when you envision his role when Klay comes back, he fits even better as a 4th option.

Yes thats a ton of money for a 4th option, but at this point that salary slot is extremely important for an ownership with deep pockets.

The Minny pick is way to valuable to just dump Wiggins. You only deal that pick if you are getting a legit piece back. So salary dump is out of the question.

I get the Wiggins salary slot thing and your owners having a lot of money, but are they going to be okay paying that much in Luxury tax?

Is the goal to trade Oubre for guaranteed salary next year even further raising the teams salary?

It is in fact our goal to keep the entire league afloat using luxury tax spending.

Exactly! And what thanks do we get for our efforts? Scorn and ridicule are our rewards.

[wco81]

If they get fans back into Chase and other events (concerts mostly), then it will all work.


It doesn't surprise me that Griffin called the Warriors. I think he wants to get rid of Zo, not have to pay him. Probably under some pressure because the Pelicans haven't played as well as they expected.

Big no on Lonzo.

[FNQ]

And he'll pass the ball to Wiseman, at the right time and place.

And he'll hit Wiggins when he's open.

Lonzo's a playmaker who can run the offense and get people open. As much as we need shooters (which we do), we also need more guys who can actually help optimize the scorers we do have on the team.

Dont the Pelicans need the same thing? And they also have Ingram at the 3, Zion at the 4... so where are they putting Oubre?

Starting to come together IMO.. there's no way this trade is happening without draft capital leaving GS. Either that or we're getting all hyped up about an offer we made to the Pels that they probably easily turned down

Oubre for JJ makes sense for both sides at least, without draft capital switching hands

The Pels called the Warriors. Confirmed by multiple sources, including Kerr.

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Not sure how that conflicts with anything I'm saying, but ok

Not confirmed they were calling about Ball for Oubre though. The only part that's confirmed was that they called re Oubre, and Kerr specifically mentioned the expiring contract. And since JJ and Ball are both expirings, stands more to reason that the call was likely about Bledsoe, who all of a sudden is now mentioned as well.

Oubre for Ball makes 0 sense for the Pelicans on the surface so its a much safer assumption that the Pelicans wanted draft capital if it was a Ball trade, or wanted to ship Bledsoe out if no capital was involved.

[FNQ]

Is the goal to trade Oubre for guaranteed salary next year even further raising the teams salary?

I think its 1 of 2 possible things:

1) if we don't want to raise salary, we ship Oubre out for whatever draft capital we can (or, if possible, someone on a rookie deal/near min deal thats a useful rotational player) - or barring that, let Oubre walk

2) we ship Oubre out for a 2 year+ contract that serves as salary ballast for a trade offer, which would allow us to keep the surprisingly useful Andrew Wiggins and gives us the best accumulation of talent

Which is exactly why the Ball / Oubre narrative doesnt make sense. I mean it doesnt make sense at any level, but the assumption here is that Ball's value is higher than Oubre's and we're coming out on top, thus the hysterics about it

[SF_Warriors]

Just combing through the last few pages of this thread and it sounds like Oubre is not in the long-term plans. You already have 164 Million invested in next seasons guaranteed salaries which is well above the projected Luxury Tax Line even before resigning Oubre or a replacement. What are you looking for in return for Oubre? I would guess an expiring and low cost role player who you can retain into next year would make the most sense, but I also have not been thinking on the subject more than 10 minutes.

I've seen several mention trading for Lonzo with Oubre which could make sense, but are you going to be willing to give him 13+ Million a season and put your salary near the 180 Million dollar mark?

I would assume the plan is to use that Twolves pick you are owed this year to dump off Wiggins salary, but I am not sure how you feel about Wiggins long-term. Would you rather dump off Greens? If you would prefer to keep the pick then maybe trading Wiggins to someone like Toronto or Cleveland for an expiring Lowry/Drummond could make sense as well.

Just some thoughts from an NBA guy.

Why would any team trade a first round pick that belongs to a bottom 3 team in the nba just to get rid of a large salary? It doesnt make any sense. Wiggins has been playing well to boot. And why for lowry or drummond? Both guys are expiring. Lowry plays the same position as steph, and drummond plays the same position as wiseman. Fit doesnt work with either of those guys and we would risking them being rentals and leaving for nothing.

Most likely, I see the warriors picking a guard or wing if the wolves pick conveys, and that player will be the main perimeter cog off the bench. Oubre most likely will be let go to FA. The guy probably wants at least 20 mill per year and as much as I like oubre more than most others, I do not think the team can keep him due to the cost.

I think we will keep oubre for the rest of the season because he is not going to return comparable value in a trade and we will need him to have even any chance in the playoffs. I wouldnt mind Lonzo off the bench at around 12-13 mill per but overall he is a marginal player that barely if at all moves the needle if he were to play for us this season

[tarantism]

Dont the Pelicans need the same thing? And they also have Ingram at the 3, Zion at the 4... so where are they putting Oubre?

Starting to come together IMO.. there's no way this trade is happening without draft capital leaving GS. Either that or we're getting all hyped up about an offer we made to the Pels that they probably easily turned down

Oubre for JJ makes sense for both sides at least, without draft capital switching hands

The Pels called the Warriors. Confirmed by multiple sources, including Kerr.

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Not sure how that conflicts with anything I'm saying, but ok

Not confirmed they were calling about Ball for Oubre though. The only part that's confirmed was that they called re Oubre, and Kerr specifically mentioned the expiring contract. And since JJ and Ball are both expirings, stands more to reason that the call was likely about Bledsoe, who all of a sudden is now mentioned as well.

Oubre for Ball makes 0 sense for the Pelicans on the surface so its a much safer assumption that the Pelicans wanted draft capital if it was a Ball trade, or wanted to ship Bledsoe out if no capital was involved.

I don't think that trade had any real legs so you can probably breathe easy. Just take a beat, relax and enjoy everybody's new favorite player Kelly Oubre!

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[JMAC3]

If you would prefer to keep the pick then maybe trading Wiggins to someone like Toronto or Cleveland for an expiring Lowry/Drummond could make sense as well.

I was saying if you were wanting to keep the pick but did not want to pay Wiggins then those expirings (Drummond and Lowry) might make sense. I was assuming the 1st would be used with Wiggins to bring in a really good player but maybe someone making less money.

The guy probably wants at least 20 mill per year and as much as I like oubre more than most others, I do not think the team can keep him due to the cost.

If Oubre had a really low cap hold he would probably be worth a lot more in a trade, but his cap hold is 21 million so the acquiring team does not really get an advantage to have his contract rights moving into the summer.

[shazam_guy]

It's probably a mistake to make assumptions about who the Warriors organization will keep or trade based on what people are posting here, since most of the people who bother to post about getting rid of Oubre are just that -- the "get rid of Oubre" crowd here on a fan board. The Ws in-house assessment of Oubre's value may be a bit more nuanced.

[shazam_guy]

Which is not to suggest that the people responding here to your query, JMAC3, are not making sense and don't know what they're talking about. But they are not necessarily the "get rid of Oubre" folks, either.

[SF_Warriors]

If you would prefer to keep the pick then maybe trading Wiggins to someone like Toronto or Cleveland for an expiring Lowry/Drummond could make sense as well.

I was saying if you were wanting to keep the pick but did not want to pay Wiggins then those expirings (Drummond and Lowry) might make sense. I was assuming the 1st would be used with Wiggins to bring in a really good player but maybe someone making less money.

The guy probably wants at least 20 mill per year and as much as I like oubre more than most others, I do not think the team can keep him due to the cost.

If Oubre had a really low cap hold he would probably be worth a lot more in a trade, but his cap hold is 21 million so the acquiring team does not really get an advantage to have his contract rights moving into the summer.

I might be wrong but if we trade for an expiring, I do not believe we will get that 30 mill in cap space if we let them leave for FA. We would only be able to retain said expiring player due to bird rights but if we let Lowry for example expire and do not re-sign him, the warriors cannot just throw a 25-30 mill offer at a free agent due to their cap limitations.

Maybe from a financial standpoint it would make sense, but from a quality of team standpoint, we would lose out on both wiggins and the wolves pick to save money, assuming lowry doesnt get re-signed. That is absolutely terrible team management. Wiggins has shown to be an impactful starter quality player despite his contract, and that wolves pick is extremely valuable to even consider getting simply an expiring contract back for and to save money.

I also wouldnt trade away wiggins/wolves pick for an expiring, and then extending oubre to make up for that. Would just rather have wiggins and the pick then to just have oubre..If we lose out on all three of wiggins/oubre/wolves pick, we would have huge holes on the roster next season and no cap space to make up for it.

The only thing I would trade wiggins and the wolves pick for is a perennial all star wing that is in his prime. If a trade like that doesnt exist, I'd rather just keep them.

[FNQ]

The Pels called the Warriors. Confirmed by multiple sources, including Kerr.

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Not sure how that conflicts with anything I'm saying, but ok

Not confirmed they were calling about Ball for Oubre though. The only part that's confirmed was that they called re Oubre, and Kerr specifically mentioned the expiring contract. And since JJ and Ball are both expirings, stands more to reason that the call was likely about Bledsoe, who all of a sudden is now mentioned as well.

Oubre for Ball makes 0 sense for the Pelicans on the surface so its a much safer assumption that the Pelicans wanted draft capital if it was a Ball trade, or wanted to ship Bledsoe out if no capital was involved.

I don't think that trade had any real legs so you can probably breathe easy. Just take a beat, relax and enjoy everybody's new favorite player Kelly Oubre!

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[killmongrel]

Just combing through the last few pages of this thread and it sounds like Oubre is not in the long-term plans. You already have 164 Million invested in next seasons guaranteed salaries which is well above the projected Luxury Tax Line even before resigning Oubre or a replacement. What are you looking for in return for Oubre? I would guess an expiring and low cost role player who you can retain into next year would make the most sense, but I also have not been thinking on the subject more than 10 minutes.

I've seen several mention trading for Lonzo with Oubre which could make sense, but are you going to be willing to give him 13+ Million a season and put your salary near the 180 Million dollar mark?

I would assume the plan is to use that Twolves pick you are owed this year to dump off Wiggins salary, but I am not sure how you feel about Wiggins long-term. Would you rather dump off Greens? If you would prefer to keep the pick then maybe trading Wiggins to someone like Toronto or Cleveland for an expiring Lowry/Drummond could make sense as well.

Just some thoughts from an NBA guy.

Warriors have made no indications that they're remotely interested in dumping Wiggins or Greens salaries, much less use the Minny pick to do it.