Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[statsman]

Getting back ellis while freeing up the NTMLE would, in theory, be better than just keeping JK. Considering how all FAs are now gone, I don't see who we get with the MLE.

Spending all of a NTMLE on a single player is probably out of the question now. But splitting it into two $7M parts might work. Probably half for Horford to convince him not to go to the Lakers or return to the Celtics. The other $7M could entice someone others might have slated for the TPMLE ($5.7M) but that the Warriors would like to acquire.

[DAWill1128]

So Devin Carter and Dario Saric for Kuminga?

Carter shot 37% from FG and 29% from 3p. He hardly played and that was on a team with no point guard after the Fox trade. Why would he play minutes with Curry, Podz, Moody, and Hield at guard?

As for Saric, the guy had a bad run here. He cannot play center defensively, he was the worst defensive center I can remember ever being on this roster. Saric shot 36% from FG and 26% from 3p and hardly ever played, and that was on a team where the fans said they had absolutely zero depth outside the starters.

I would rather just keep Kuminga. His fit is odd with Draymond since neither can shoot. But he undoubtedly is better than Carter or Saric. You can't act like a guy putting up 25ppg in a WCS on 50/40 while guarding the other teams best player is nothing.

Whats your avenue forward if Green or Jimmy miss time? At least with Kuminga you have an option. If either Green or Jimmy misses signicant time and you have Saric and Carter you might as well just tank for the #1 pick.

Sign Kuminga, if at the trade deadline teams wanna take a flyer or want picks then consider making a deal. This definitely was never the option I wanted, I wanted him gone at the 2023 deadline for Anunoby. I have wanted him gone at almost every swirling trade rumor, but not this one.

[vvoland]

Carter and saric would be malpractice. I really can't imagine we do that but I have been very wrong before.

[Nvnervous45]

Why would mdj take on a shooting guard who can't shoot and a center that can't play d? Talk about selling low. Do they have any used practice balls we can have too?

[DonaldSanders]

Daniels hadn't done much for the Pelicans but he was a lottery pick so he had a high ceiling.

Herb Jones really outperformed his draft position and he's at least 6-7.

Ellis at 6-4 175 seems mostly for 1-2, doesn't have the ability to guard 1-3, maybe some 4s like Daniels and Jones.

Murphy has great length and offensive stats but I recall reading that his defense isn't great. OK since he's so long. Of course the Warriors should have drafted him over Moody.

Hey, it would be great if Ellis had impact like the first half season GP2 was with the Warriors.

But send out a FRP in addition to Kuminga for Carter and Ellis? GTFOH.

I just think "Sac has been bad while he is on the team" is a bad argument. Plenty of good players have been on bad teams, you know that.

However I totally agree with not sending a FRP, no way. I just don't think JK has a lot of value around the league and we have limited options. I'd hope for something better than Ellis but it's a totally fine result for me.

[AirP.]

Why would mdj take on a shooting guard who can't shoot and a center that can't play d? Talk about selling low. Do they have any used practice balls we can have too?

Devin Carter is a defensive PG, 6'2'' with nearly a 6'9'' wingspan who was a rookie last year and had a shoulder injury which would have caused issues with his shooting. He had a 6-month recovery, basically he must have been working to just get his full motion back so his shot wouldn't be good when he finally was released for practicing/playing. Just a terrible way to start your rookie season, of course he wasn't good. Saric is probably just filler.

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[GS Warriors 1]

Saric is definitely filler to make the trade work. They likely buy him out? Ellis makes so little that I'm not sure it works with Carter, assuming Kuminga's year 1 salary is around 20M. Saric makes over 5 and Carter is just under 5. Ellis is 2.3 non guaranteed.

[GS Warriors 1]

Miami possibly looking into a Wiggins to Lakers move does add intrigue, that's a move they need to make to bring in Kuminga. Another team could want Hachimura's expiring deal. It's going to be a few minutes, folks lol.

[statsman]

Carter/Saric for Kuminga would likely mean the end of NBA League Pass for me.

[bay2hk]

Miami possibly looking into a Wiggins to Lakers move does add intrigue, that's a move they need to make to bring in Kuminga. Another team could want Hachimura's expiring deal. It's going to be a few minutes, folks lol.

They also have max and Gabe Vincent at $11m. That would work in terms of getting the salary back but we better get 2 FRPs if we’re getting that

[Jester_]

Oh how many playoffs games have the Kings won?

3 in that one year when they were like the #3 seed in the WC and lost in 7 in the first round to the Warriors. Carter wasn't on the Kings.

Since then, they've been losing play in games, though they beat the Warriors last season and then got killed by the Pelicans.

Ellis has only been in 3 play-in games, 2 in 2023-24 and one in 2024-25. Kings are 1-2 in those games and he has averaged about 17 minutes in those 3 games, +3.5 in 2023-24 and -17 in 2024-25.

Not really enough data to say he matters one way or another. Sure if he gets open looks he shoots well. But Kings didn't give him many minutes either.

Also, he's 6-4, not 6-6 as someone else said. He's light 175. So he can defend 1-2, maybe some 3s. We have enough short wings.

Hey man I agree. In theory Keon Ellis shouldn't be good, but he is. In theory Kuminga should be good, but he isn't.

I live in the real world where I look at actual performance and not theoretical possibilities that may more may not ever be tangible. But I can tell you this, if it's between competing with Kuminga or Ellis, I'll choose the Ellis's of hte world every time.

Oh the Kings have been winning so many games since Ellis has been on the team?

He only played 16 games the year they finished #3 in the WC. They were 3-4 in the playoffs that season and 1-2 in play in games since.

He isn't worth Kuminga and a FRP

Melton was awesome with us - Ellis would more or less be a bigger, better version of that.

That FRP would be unlikely to make the roster, whereas Curry-Ellis-Butler-Green-Horford is a starting lineup that could win a chip.

I dunno I get your hesitation, and I wish we sold higher on Kuminga - but not sure who Kuminga would get us that's better than Ellis, who's one of the best 3&D guys in the league.

[HiRez]

If you were really going to send out picks, maybe (considering wanting a deal done fast and the 1/2 salary coming back) go for Avdija, incentivize with picks. I like the idea of Trey Murphy, but he's probably more expensive (and already is, so a trade would have to wait until the Kuminga restriction is lifted). Avdija isn't the pure shooter that Murphy is, but he's good and gives you more playmaking, size, versatility, and has great BBIQ/court vision.

Kuminga S&T @ ~$30M + 1 FRP + 2 pick swaps for Avdija (~$14.4M)

Steph / Podz / Armstrong?
Buddy / Moses / Richard / Podz
Avdija / Gui / Moses
Jimmy / Draymond / Avdija / Gui
Horford / Post / TJD / Draymond

Would like to see more backup at PG (Melton?), but it's not a bad lineup. Either Draymond or Jimmy probably has to come off the bench.

[Nvnervous45]

Why would mdj take on a shooting guard who can't shoot and a center that can't play d? Talk about selling low. Do they have any used practice balls we can have too?

Devin Carter is a defensive PG, 6'2'' with nearly a 6'9'' wingspan who was a rookie last year and had a shoulder injury which would have caused issues with his shooting. He had a 6-month recovery, basically he must have been working to just get his full motion back so his shot wouldn't be good when he finally was released for practicing/playing. Just a terrible way to start your rookie season, of course he wasn't good. Saric is probably just filler.

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Over 3 years of college the guy averaged 34% from 3 point land. Betting on him to improve that in the nba against bigger and better competition is a long shot. Thanks, but no thanks.

[AirP.]

Why would mdj take on a shooting guard who can't shoot and a center that can't play d? Talk about selling low. Do they have any used practice balls we can have too?

Devin Carter is a defensive PG, 6'2'' with nearly a 6'9'' wingspan who was a rookie last year and had a shoulder injury which would have caused issues with his shooting. He had a 6-month recovery, basically he must have been working to just get his full motion back so his shot wouldn't be good when he finally was released for practicing/playing. Just a terrible way to start your rookie season, of course he wasn't good. Saric is probably just filler.

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Over 3 years of college the guy averaged 34% from 3 point land. Betting on him to improve that in the nba against bigger and better competition is a long shot. Thanks, but no thanks.

Well, he progressed in college, 27% the first year, 30% the 2nd year, 38% his 3rd year so he was showing progress then the shoulder surgery set him back his rookie year.

[Dubs 707]

Trade buckets for better fits but overall lesser talents in MY opinion, is craaaazy may be correct, may be false.

Or this could be like the thunder getting SGA. You simply just never know who will put in the work ethic or who the NBA will send to the FT line at all cost.

[DAWill1128]

If you were really going to send out picks, maybe (considering wanting a deal done fast and the 1/2 salary coming back) go for Avdija, incentivize with picks. I like the idea of Trey Murphy, but he's probably more expensive (and already is, so a trade would have to wait until the Kuminga restriction is lifted). Avdija isn't the pure shooter that Murphy is, but he's good and gives you more playmaking, size, versatility, and has great BBIQ/court vision.

Kuminga S&T @ ~$30M + 1 FRP + 2 pick swaps for Avdija (~$14.4M)

Steph / Podz / Armstrong?
Buddy / Moses / Richard / Podz
Avdija / Gui / Moses
Jimmy / Draymond / Avdija / Gui
Horford / Post / TJD / Draymond

Would like to see more backup at PG (Melton?), but it's not a bad lineup. Either Draymond or Jimmy probably has to come off the bench.

I am more in favor of attaching picks to Kuminga to get a difference maker like Deni than taking Carter and Saric who nobody wanted to play last year even in dire circumstance.

It's crazy to think this front office bypassed on Anunoby and Siakam for Kuminga because they thought they could do better. Only to end up with a guard no fan of the NBA has ever heard of and a forward most fans probably assumed was retired.

[marthafokker]

I am starting to believe Kerr got promoted as silent GM. This is result of the draft and potential JK trade. Kerr really loves scrubs!

He loves them so much he wants Saric back another time.

[azwfan]

The rumors say the Warriors are the ones holding up the trade. I certainly hope so.

I think its at least a 1st rd pick short. Maybe more. If Duns should be asking for first born, but I think I’d be happy with ‘26 1st swap and the 2031 1st SA has swap rights on in addition to the current poo poo platter.

[DonaldSanders]

From the Sac Bee:

The news sparked rumors that the sign-and-trade deal for Schroder could be linked to Sacramento’s pursuit of Kuminga. The Kings continue to monitor Kuminga’s situation, but a league source told The Sacramento Bee the Schroder deal is unrelated to any talks involving Kuminga and rumors of a three-team trade involving the Kings, Detroit Pistons and Golden State Warriors are “totally false.”

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article309915650.html


So the bad trade we mostly didn't want sounds like it might just be a made up rumor.

Also funny is Kings fans' upvoted reactions to the article:

It was too good to be true. Warriors weren’t taking our junk and giving us Kuminga. Saric has negative value and Devin Carter has 2nd round value

https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1lr1eqw/anderson_rumors_of_a_threeteam_trade_involving/

[NW]

From the Sac Bee:

The news sparked rumors that the sign-and-trade deal for Schroder could be linked to Sacramento’s pursuit of Kuminga. The Kings continue to monitor Kuminga’s situation, but a league source told The Sacramento Bee the Schroder deal is unrelated to any talks involving Kuminga and rumors of a three-team trade involving the Kings, Detroit Pistons and Golden State Warriors are “totally false.”

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article309915650.html


So the bad trade we mostly didn't want sounds like it might just be a made up rumor.

Also funny is Kings fans' upvoted reactions to the article:

It was too good to be true. Warriors weren’t taking our junk and giving us Kuminga. Saric has negative value and Devin Carter has 2nd round value

https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1lr1eqw/anderson_rumors_of_a_threeteam_trade_involving/

No doubt the Kings offered it and Dunleavy said “No, come back with Keon Ellis and maybe a protected first”