2020 Draft Thread

[DAWill1128]

Actually I think if the Warriors got Howard in here on the MLE we would be the favorites. Howard would get a lot of open dunks in our system with the floor spread and the ball movement. We already have a defensive system from the Bogut years to funnel the ball into the shot blocker. Those two areas would highlight Howard’s abilities, we are basically the Magic on steroids.

Especially Howard’s ability to prevent Davis and LeBron attacks on the hoop which is where we are at the most risk. If we can minimize drives to the hoop I don’t see the Lakers as constructed being able to out shoot us. If we go small I don’t think the Lakers have a lineup to go against that in an open court.

[donkeylips]

Man, I love Pritchard from Oregon. He's gonna be a good pro.

he's got the scrappy gritty n gutty thing going and that jumper is wet, just worry about his size

I'd be ecstatic if we got him at 31

warriors own dallas and utahs second round pick but dont have their own

[wco81]

What about the second round picks from Philly?

[TB]

What about the second round picks from Philly?

Those ones are 2021, 2022.

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Warriors.htm

edit: the one in 2020 thats currently 48th is also part of the philly deal.

In total:
2020 dallas 2nd rounder - philly trade
2020 Jazz 2nd rounder - WCS to dallas trade
2021 nuggets 2nd rounder - philly trade
2022 raptors 2nd rounder - philly trade

[KevinMcreynolds]

Man, I love Pritchard from Oregon. He's gonna be a good pro.

he's got the scrappy gritty n gutty thing going and that jumper is wet, just worry about his size

I'd be ecstatic if we got him at 31

warriors own dallas and utahs second round pick but dont have their own

that's right, ****

here's our very simple 2020 2nd round status:

2020 - More favorable of GOS and HOU to DAL; more favorable of (i) MIA and (ii) less favorable of GOS and HOU to ATL then other to SAC (via MIA to BOS to CLE to SAC; via DAL swap of GOS for HOU; via GOS or HOU to SAC); DAL (via PHL); UTH (via CLE to DET to DAL)

[HiRez]

Hypothetical: the Warriors don't trade their pick, let's say they are picking second, and Edwards is already gone. Serious question, do they pick Wiseman or Toppin (please don't say LaMelo)?

I'm really struggling with this question because while Toppin is proving to be an elite college scorer, will his skills translate to the NBA? He also doesn't seem very impressive defensively.

With Wiseman, we have the very limited sample size problem, a somewhat questionable motor, and his range is (probably) more limited than Toppin. OTOH, I feel like he'll be significantly better defensively than Toppin, with better footwork, and better lateral quickness.

Two non-stat things I like to look for are a consistent motor/competitiveness and soft hands. Not really sure about Wiseman's motor (it might not actually be bad but we have so little to look at), however he has great hands, that's huge for a big.

Right now I would still lean towards taking Wiseman (probably even over Edwards), but it's a more interesting question than I thought it was going to be.

[wco81]

The other thing is that a top pick has a cap number of around $10 million.

So unless he can contribute, he's taking up cap space, preventing the team from adding productive players.

Yeah they really need to try to trade this pick. I'm trying to think if there was a player in this past draft who's worth $10 million.

Certainly Zion (for the box office draw alone). Ja has had a good season but not sure he's worth a $10 million cap number yet.

So really just one and as much for non basketball reasons.

From 2018 draft, definitely Luka. Trae has put up great numbers but he doesn't make his team win so he's not there yet.

So this high pick may not be such a great blessing for the Warriors because of their cap situation, that is if they have to actually use and play the guy they draft.

[cdubbz]

Oooweee. Isaiah Stewart coming alive again. I love his physicality. Big strong power forward. Not our biggest need but I’ve always liked him as a prospect

[xdrta+]

The other thing is that a top pick has a cap number of around $10 million.

So unless he can contribute, he's taking up cap space, preventing the team from adding productive players.

Yeah they really need to try to trade this pick. I'm trying to think if there was a player in this past draft who's worth $10 million.

Certainly Zion (for the box office draw alone). Ja has had a good season but not sure he's worth a $10 million cap number yet.

So really just one and as much for non basketball reasons.

From 2018 draft, definitely Luka. Trae has put up great numbers but he doesn't make his team win so he's not there yet.

So this high pick may not be such a great blessing for the Warriors because of their cap situation, that is if they have to actually use and play the guy they draft.

There is a rookie exception, so a team can sign any first round pick even if they're over the cap, so cap space is not an issue.

[TB]

Anyone think Toppin may actually be able to play C in the NBA? He's pretty big and defensively he might be better at that position than trying to constantly defend stretch 4's and PnRs.

better question might be, what grade is he on offense and defense at both the PF and C position?

[Mylie10]

Oooweee. Isaiah Stewart coming alive again. I love his physicality. Big strong power forward. Not our biggest need but I’ve always liked him as a prospect

He doesn't seem to be that goes imo.

And his team sucks, so he's not translating into Washington winning games.

[Scoots1994]

Hypothetical: the Warriors don't trade their pick, let's say they are picking second, and Edwards is already gone. Serious question, do they pick Wiseman or Toppin (please don't say LaMelo)?

I'm really struggling with this question because while Toppin is proving to be an elite college scorer, will his skills translate to the NBA? He also doesn't seem very impressive defensively.

With Wiseman, we have the very limited sample size problem, a somewhat questionable motor, and his range is (probably) more limited than Toppin. OTOH, I feel like he'll be significantly better defensively than Toppin, with better footwork, and better lateral quickness.

Two non-stat things I like to look for are a consistent motor/competitiveness and soft hands. Not really sure about Wiseman's motor (it might not actually be bad but we have so little to look at), however he has great hands, that's huge for a big.

Right now I would still lean towards taking Wiseman (probably even over Edwards), but it's a more interesting question than I thought it was going to be.

No way of even guessing. They need to get their measurements (athleticism), and their tryouts, and their interviews out of the way before even the teams have any semi-concrete idea of where the players rank with so many questions outstanding.

Ball has enough talent to be picked, the question with him is attitude/willingness to be molded by a team.
Wiseman has physical talent, but needs to show motor and intelligence.
Edwards ... he just scares me. Looks like an empty stat type.
Toppin, I don't like as much as some seem to since he's 3 years older than those mocked around him, and how good will they be given 3 more years to learn? Is he as good as he's going to get already?
Okoro, love the defense, can he learn to shoot? That's a tough bet to take.

The player I like best in theory right now is Avdija, but, like Wiseman there are just so many questions. In limited PT this year though Avdija's game has supposedly grown a LOT. I've seen 3 games and he absolutely makes some spectacular plays, his defense and shooting are better than advertised, but his athleticism is hard to judge against non NBA players.

[Scoots1994]

The other thing is that a top pick has a cap number of around $10 million.

So unless he can contribute, he's taking up cap space, preventing the team from adding productive players.

Yeah they really need to try to trade this pick. I'm trying to think if there was a player in this past draft who's worth $10 million.

Certainly Zion (for the box office draw alone). Ja has had a good season but not sure he's worth a $10 million cap number yet.

So really just one and as much for non basketball reasons.

From 2018 draft, definitely Luka. Trae has put up great numbers but he doesn't make his team win so he's not there yet.

So this high pick may not be such a great blessing for the Warriors because of their cap situation, that is if they have to actually use and play the guy they draft.

The cap space doesn't matter since the Warriors can't turn around and sign a free agent with that money. They are over the cap. And it's not about the $10M next year, it's what they do for the team in 3 years.

The Warriors will not be hard capped so they can use the MLE and minimum contracts to add players, and can try to find a sucker to take the TPE and a pick for a player.

[The-Power]

Please no Toppin. I want us to get a good defensive big for next year.

[KevinMcreynolds]

I was on Toppin when he was projected to be in the 6-10 range, but now he's getting overhyped because of highlight reel dunks yawl. Don't wanna use a top 3 pick on him.

[Little Digger]

Wiseman, Ball or Avdija

[ChuckDurn]

Hypothetical: the Warriors don't trade their pick, let's say they are picking second, and Edwards is already gone. Serious question, do they pick Wiseman or Toppin (please don't say LaMelo)?

I'm really struggling with this question because while Toppin is proving to be an elite college scorer, will his skills translate to the NBA? He also doesn't seem very impressive defensively.

With Wiseman, we have the very limited sample size problem, a somewhat questionable motor, and his range is (probably) more limited than Toppin. OTOH, I feel like he'll be significantly better defensively than Toppin, with better footwork, and better lateral quickness.

Two non-stat things I like to look for are a consistent motor/competitiveness and soft hands. Not really sure about Wiseman's motor (it might not actually be bad but we have so little to look at), however he has great hands, that's huge for a big.

Right now I would still lean towards taking Wiseman (probably even over Edwards), but it's a more interesting question than I thought it was going to be.

Between Wiseman and Toppin, there’s no question it’s Wiseman.

Toppin doesn’t seem to be able to guard a chair, and doesn’t have the size and bulk to bang against NBA 5’s. He’d come in and not have an obvious path to start with Draymond in his way.

Wiseman has more physical upside, and plays a position of need. You do draft for best player available (BPA) at the top of the draft rather than need, but I haven’t seen anything that would prove that Toppin is BPA over Wiseman.

[Onus]

Hypothetical: the Warriors don't trade their pick, let's say they are picking second, and Edwards is already gone. Serious question, do they pick Wiseman or Toppin (please don't say LaMelo)?

I'm really struggling with this question because while Toppin is proving to be an elite college scorer, will his skills translate to the NBA? He also doesn't seem very impressive defensively.

With Wiseman, we have the very limited sample size problem, a somewhat questionable motor, and his range is (probably) more limited than Toppin. OTOH, I feel like he'll be significantly better defensively than Toppin, with better footwork, and better lateral quickness.

Two non-stat things I like to look for are a consistent motor/competitiveness and soft hands. Not really sure about Wiseman's motor (it might not actually be bad but we have so little to look at), however he has great hands, that's huge for a big.

Right now I would still lean towards taking Wiseman (probably even over Edwards), but it's a more interesting question than I thought it was going to be.

Between Wiseman and Toppin, there’s no question it’s Wiseman.

Toppin doesn’t seem to be able to guard a chair, and doesn’t have the size and bulk to bang against NBA 5’s. He’d come in and not have an obvious path to start with Draymond in his way.

Wiseman has more physical upside, and plays a position of need. You do draft for best player available (BPA) at the top of the draft rather than need, but I haven’t seen anything that would prove that Toppin is BPA over Wiseman.

Just say no to Toppin, he's like David Lee, John Collins, etc a scoring pf that won't be able to anchor your team defensively. They're great to have as a piece, but they're usually too good to be a 6th man so they start and get major minutes and you can't take them off the floor even though they can be a liability.

[Mylie10]

I'm Wiseman all the way. Won't even think twice about it.

[Scoots1994]

I'm Wiseman all the way. Won't even think twice about it.

I don't get it. We know so little about so many top prospects how can you make a concrete declration? Like what if Avdija is bigger, stronger, faster, quicker, more athletic, and a better shooter than we thought, you are not going to change your preference?

Add in that we don't know where in the top 10 they are going to draft, we don't know if there will be any more games, we don't know if the combine or tryouts will even happen.

I really have no idea.