2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[ShayDee]

Wiseman is a PROJECT, offensively.

In 2 - 4 years, we will see if he will make progress or regress. Plain and simple.

Every single player in this draft is a project. Apart from Juniors/seniors. You cannot come and tell me Deni/Vassell/Okoro/Hali/Patwill are not projects as well

That's why Obi and Deni (experience in pro Euro league makes him a Junior IMO) have a chance at being drafted by Warriors.

But let's not conveniently confuse project for big men vs project for smaller 3 and D wing types. It is a fact...a fact...that Guards and SF's are much quicker to mature into their games than 19 year old 7' players. Come on now....the entire history of the NBA has shown that unless you are Kevin Garnet or Shaq. And Wiseman isn't close to those players at his age.

So no....not every player in the draft is a project in that sense.

Deni is still a project. There are doubts his defending will translate to the NBA, his ball handling is not clean, he turns the ball over alot and fouls alot, His 3point shooting and FT are question marks. He is no where near a sure thing and is not worth a top 3 pick

And no, nothing I said is inaccurate

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Wiseman is a PROJECT, offensively.

In 2 - 4 years, we will see if he will make progress or regress. Plain and simple.

Every single player in this draft is a project. Apart from Juniors/seniors. You cannot come and tell me Deni/Vassell/Okoro/Hali/Patwill are not projects as well

That's why Obi and Deni (experience in pro Euro league makes him a Junior IMO) have a chance at being drafted by Warriors.

But let's not conveniently confuse project for big men vs project for smaller 3 and D wing types. It is a fact...a fact...that Guards and SF's are much quicker to mature into their games than 19 year old 7' players. Come on now....the entire history of the NBA has shown that unless you are Kevin Garnet or Shaq. And Wiseman isn't close to those players at his age.

So no....not every player in the draft is a project in that sense.

What I just explained earlier: Big men(At least traditional 4s and 5s) may take some time to adjust to learn the NBA pace and style as opposed to guards and wing players because they share a bit of the same skillset.

Of what I've seen on available footages online, I see a traditional 5 with perhaps a potential smooth jumper. So, I give a benefit of a doubt that he can develop into a Anthony Davis/Chris Bosh-type player; All comes down to his work ethic. He's already a DeAndre Jordan-type player coming into the league on physical tools, alone.

[Mylie10]

Lots of evidence of Wiseman passing the ball in high school and AAU. If you guys would have payed attention to Penny’s offense, it was 1990’s basketball. It was post up Wiseman and then force feed the ball into the post. Whether he was doubled or not, often times.

Not saying he’s Draymond, but will be vastly better than Javale.

[Onus]

Some of the lies people (not here) made up about Wiseman really turned me off. He being a perimeter passer is what Wiseman is saying now in interviews tho.

It doesn’t turn me off on him it’s just some people are projecting him to be something that he hasn’t shown and that’s not on the prospect. He very well could become that but that’s like saying anyone can do anything.

The scary thing is when the prospect starts believing in the hype and it destroys him when he can’t do that. Like Dwight and commentators and analysts telling him he should be something when it’s not his game.

The biggest thing for me is what type of defender is he going to be

Is there a big man in the league aside from BAM that can guard the 3 point line? I don't think so.

It appears too that Wiseman is pretty slow footed...I just can't see him being anything but a targeted switch in todays game. ESPECIALY in the big games.

Bam, ad, giannis, draymond are probably the best at it.

[DevinVassell]

The last thing Wiseman needs to worry about is perimeter scoring. He needs to score on putbacks, rim running and lob threats. Thats it. Thats his job on offense. He is a decent free throw shooter so thats gravy.

Why would we want Wiseman taking and trying to create shots when we have two of the greatest perimeter shooters of all time. Trust me, the more Steph shoots the better.

[HiRez]

Looney is surprisingly good at guarding the 3 point line. I don't want him doing it full time, but he's shut down and turned back some premier players out there.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

The last thing Wiseman needs to worry about is perimeter scoring. He needs to score on putbacks, rim running and lob threats. Thats it. Thats his job on offense. He is a decent free throw shooter so thats gravy.

Why would we want Wiseman taking and trying to create shots when we have two of the greatest perimeter shooters of all time. Trust me, the more Steph shoots the better.

The closest/near 7 foot player to play exceptionally well along the perimeter, ever?.. Kevin Durant, duh (No surprise). But, who are we kidding? He's a SG in a PF's body. KD is a smooth operator along the perimeter. He can shoot it or decide to take his defender off the dribble. He's the only known 7 ft unicorn who can do that so effortlessly. I'd put Giannis in that category, but only if his shots were money.

Wiseman will NOT be a perimeter player, ever, in this league. Never had been one and never will be one. He has no business hanging out along the perimeter. His already man-child frame body and heavy legs suggests he's made to play in the paint 90% of the time. His job is to grab the O-boards and kick it out to a wide-open or cutting Steph or Klay (or Wiggins). Or, battle it out in the post when the opportunity presents itself.

[Scoots1994]

My top 3 in this draft are Wiseman, Avdija, and Okoro. The order changes day to day.

[DevinVassell]

Ok time to get on the record. This is whom I hope the Dubs take.

Wiseman
Vassell
Love both these guys, either in my opinion is a home run. A++ draft.
or
trade down
.
.
.
.
Haliburton
Nesmith
Toppin
Safe picks that can help. Not chuffed, not pissed.
.
.
.
Williams
Avdija
I like, but a little skeptical. 50/50 hit/miss.

Players I want no part of...
Lamelo Ball
Cole Anthony
RJ Hampton

[DevinVassell]

While I'm at it, my favorite projected second round picks.
Reed
Balmaro
Nwora

[Mylie10]

Ok time to get on the record. This is whom I hope the Dubs take.

Wiseman
Vassell
Love both these guys, either in my opinion is a home run. A++ draft.
or
trade down
.
.
.
.
Haliburton
Nesmith
Toppin
Safe picks that can help. Not chuffed, not pissed.
.
.
.
Williams
Avdija
I like, but a little skeptical. 50/50 hit/miss.

Players I want no part of...
Lamelo Ball
Cole Anthony
RJ Hampton

You literally knocked that out of the park! Nice job

[Little Digger]

Appearing on the Locked On Warriors podcast, Bogut surprised by putting Ball on Jason Kidd’s level.

“He seemed to make the right decisions every time down the floor,” Bogut said, “I think his passing is probably the No. 1 aspect of his game. So, I think he’s going to be a pure point guard in the mold of what Jason Kidd used to be, that kind of mold.”

“I don’t see him as a big top scorer, I think he’s more going to be a Jason Kidd/Rajon Rondo-type player.”

[jason bourne]

Some of the lies people (not here) made up about Wiseman really turned me off. He being a perimeter passer is what Wiseman is saying now in interviews tho.

He has shown potential as a willing passer. He is not tunnel vision like most other bigs. He is still 19 years old and extremely coachable. The way your post is worded is you are insinuating he has already reached his prime and is a bad/non-existent passer and he can never learn how to because he will never pass and always score

You know Bam averaged 0.8 assists in college right? Who ever knew he was a good passer? Wanna lie and say he had it in him? He was coached how to whether anyone wants to believe or not

But it all depends on what team Wiseman goes to in my opinion. If he comes here or the Spurs, he will learn to pass. If he goes to any other team he will not

Huh? When has he shown to be a willing passer? He was coached and manipulated by Penny Hardaway who got a college coaching position out of it. Hardaway even decided on his HS and he couldn't get out to go to a private school. Next, he was set up to follow Penny to Memphis U. I wouldn't call that coaching.

We just see Wiseman differently. I see his warts and that he quit. It follows that he's sawft. He doesn't bang. He made mistakes and could have fixed it, but he didn't. It shows he doesn't have the drive that the other high picks have. Aside from being a specimen, I don't know what one can state from 3 college games. Somehow you have a crystal ball or something that tells you all of his positives.

As for Bam, the Warriors aren't in a position to do what the Heat did for Bam. It took him 3 yrs to make All-Star. If you want a Bam, then why not draft Onyeka Okongwu? You'd have a better argument if you were for him as the first C. Instead, you just seem to be mesmerized by Wisman's measurements.

[ShayDee]

Huh? When has he shown to be a willing passer? He was coached and manipulated by Penny Hardaway who got a college coaching position out of it.

Watch on YouTube

The assist is at 55s. His handles the ball(Which is very fluid btw for a C), looks up, finds the open man, and bullets a nice pass for a 3. A C being able to do that is potential. It shows some IQ and good decision making. It shows he doesn't tunnel vision all the time and if coached by Kerr and Draymond he will listen probably.

Also like you said, Penny probably told him to only score and get rebounds, if Penny told him to initiate offense he would probably do that as well. Bam never passed in college. His coach probably told him to only roll to the rim and get rebounds, we did not know he was a good passer. Same could be for Wisemans case

[jason bourne]

My thinking is Warriors should get a potential 3-pt threat instead of a C in the draft. I think that would be more important for the near future. I'd be okay to get LaMelo as he would be an excellent backup PG. I'm not sure about he becoming a 3-pt threat, but he's the type who I believe would work hard to do that. He could also be the best trade bait to get a vet 3-pt shooter. LaMelo seems to have drive and he looks to be tough minded. I don't know how strong he is physically. The other potential 3-pt shooter is Anthony Edwards. There could be better 3-pt shooters like Deni Avdija or Devin Vassell, but I don't know at this point. We don't have the usual videos to show how these players are. I have to trust the Warriors to pick the best out of those four, but that's who I like with the #2 pick.

I also heard about Desmond Bane so he's another potential guy. It would have to be another kind of trade as he would be mid to lower position in the draft.

[wco81]

Nesmith is suppose to be the best shooter.

But he may not merit a top 10 pick much less a top 3 pick.

[ShayDee]

Nesmith is suppose to be the best shooter.

But he may not merit a top 10 pick much less a top 3 pick.

His issue is cannot shoot off the dribble, defense is a question, cannot pass, turnover prone and cannot score anywhere other than shooting like Duncan Robinson. He is also mocked high because of his measurables(6'6 , 6'10 ws)

If all he did was defend like Mikal Bridges along with his shooting he will be #1 pick

I even think if he was a good pnr player with his shooting and other questions, he will also be #!.

[DevinVassell]

Nesmith is suppose to be the best shooter.

But he may not merit a top 10 pick much less a top 3 pick.

His issue is cannot shoot off the dribble, defense is a question, cannot pass, turnover prone and cannot score anywhere other than shooting like Duncan Robinson. He is also mocked high because of his measurables(6'6 , 6'10 ws)

If all he did was defend like Mikal Bridges along with his shooting he will be #1 pick

I even think if he was a good pnr player with his shooting and other questions, he will also be #!.

Love your work in general ShayDee but watch the following tape. Plenty of shots of the dribble.

Big. big potential.

Watch on YouTube

[ShayDee]

Love your work in general ShayDee but watch the following tape. Plenty of shots of the dribble.

Big. big potential.

Watch on YouTube

It's mostly 1 dribble pull ups, but I have written before that I believe Nesmith is on of the most slept on prospects in this draft and will be better than most people think. Same with Wiseman and Jahmi'us Ramsey

But wasn't Buddy Heild doing all this in college? Look at him now, cannot even start

[DevinVassell]

Shooting off the dribble is about creating separation. My point is Nesmith shows that he can do that.