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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#621 » by Impuniti » Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:27 pm

wco81 wrote:It couldn't be that Kerr gets to watch Moody in practice and has access to video packages showing Moody in certain situations and against certain players or player types not providing what they need.

Or the number of times he is open but doesn't take a shot?

No just guys on the Internet watching broadcasts of games, on not necessarily the best camera angles, who've scouted Moody better than the coaching staff.

We say this but reality is that coaches make stupid mistakes all the time, Whataburger being a prime example a few years back. Hell, Pop took out Duncan during that pivotal game 6 match in 2012 for the last play.

I don't know if Moody is 100% the solution but it was bizarre that Kerr put out a scrub instead of him.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#622 » by Hoopstar23 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:14 am

I think Klay is a vet minimum player right now

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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#623 » by Hoopstar23 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:36 am

I think this has to be stickied... he's really done...no one can deny anymore... anyone that think he's good is seriously on Fenty right now
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#624 » by superunknown » Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:37 am

wco81 wrote:It couldn't be that Kerr gets to watch Moody in practice and has access to video packages showing Moody in certain situations and against certain players or player types not providing what they need.

Or the number of times he is open but doesn't take a shot?

No just guys on the Internet watching broadcasts of games, on not necessarily the best camera angles, who've scouted Moody better than the coaching staff.


anyway you look at it, klay shouldn't be the one out there instead of moody right now. if he's out there, then should moody.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#625 » by Hoopstar23 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:39 am

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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#626 » by whatisacenter » Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:49 am

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LMAOOOOOOOOOOo


I don't find this funny at all.

Feel bad for Klay who at the height of his career was derailed by injuries while Chucklehead grabs for low hanging fruit and headlines.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#627 » by KevinMcreynolds » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:11 am

Yup, can’t get on him too much when it’s obvious the injuries have taken their toll.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#628 » by DonaldSanders » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:17 am

KevinMcreynolds wrote:Yup, can’t get on him too much when it’s obvious the injuries have taken their toll.



I really wish Steve would put him in a better position here. I get that he's giving him a shot, but it's been enough. He is what he is right now. It would be a lot more graceful for the legend if we call just acknowledge where he is at now, and let him play as a backup a limited number of minutes. It hurts watching right now.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#629 » by Hoopstar23 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:23 am

whatisacenter wrote:
Hoopstar23 wrote:
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I don't find this funny at all.

Feel bad for Klay who at the height of his career was derailed by injuries while Chucklehead grabs for low hanging fruit and headlines.


doesn't change the fact he's done and he put this on himself... he said this was the most important offseason, said he trained rigorous this summer... bad preseason... and so far bad season to start... the defense is worse and just overall he's really slow right now and he's not getting easy shots... his catch and shoots are actually tough shots for him because its takes a little bit of time for him to get set and what use to be a wide open shot becomes a contest shot...
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Post#630 » by ILOVEIT » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:50 am

I watched the Kings V Lakers and there were at least 4 shooting guards/SF I'd rather have than Klay - Or more to the point....are playing a hell of a lot better. They actually can dribble to a spot, shoot floater midrange, get by single defenders.

We all love Klay but come...he's really of no value to this team UNLESS THE TEAM CAN GET HIM WIDE OPEN SHOTS. Good to very good players don't need to be set up all day long. If Klay comes off a screen and he's not open...nothing else is happening :(
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Post#631 » by CDM_Stats » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:57 am

KevinMcreynolds wrote:Yup, can’t get on him too much when it’s obvious the injuries have taken their toll.


Sure can.. great players have often times elongated their careers by improving their feel for the game and playing saavy basketball. Hell, Rudy Gay did it and got an extra 5 years added to his career. Vince Carter, the guy traded for Antawn Jamison in 1998, retired just 3 years ago. Adapt or get left behind.. Klay's never been one for adapting
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#632 » by CDM_Stats » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:22 am

wco81 wrote:It couldn't be that Kerr gets to watch Moody in practice and has access to video packages showing Moody in certain situations and against certain players or player types not providing what they need.

Or the number of times he is open but doesn't take a shot?

No just guys on the Internet watching broadcasts of games, on not necessarily the best camera angles, who've scouted Moody better than the coaching staff.


Ok, hypothetically, someone should be able to figure out what that is that's Kerr's justification for benching him. And that should be cross-referenced against Kuminga, since he's the starter when Dray is out. He hesitates sometimes instead of being aggressive.. is that it? Because what else is there to legitimately gripe about? And if that is it.. why is the coach wanting players to play like that?

Personally think Moody is a top 6 player on the team at this point and climbing. Whatever the case, there doesnt seem to be anything that he can't do that Cory Joseph does, yet CoJo logged 20 minutes to have one admittedly solid rebound/assist, and a whole ton of impressive... dribbling. 3-2-2 in 20 minutes from a guy that isnt a good defender is brutal. Kerr should be called out for that, there's no defending it
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#633 » by EvanZ » Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:56 pm

wco81 wrote:It couldn't be that Kerr gets to watch Moody in practice and has access to video packages showing Moody in certain situations and against certain players or player types not providing what they need.

Or the number of times he is open but doesn't take a shot?

No just guys on the Internet watching broadcasts of games, on not necessarily the best camera angles, who've scouted Moody better than the coaching staff.


We talking bout practice? Practice? Not a game. We talking bout practice. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#634 » by Impuniti » Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:35 pm

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KevinMcreynolds wrote:Yup, can’t get on him too much when it’s obvious the injuries have taken their toll.



I really wish Steve would put him in a better position here. I get that he's giving him a shot, but it's been enough. He is what he is right now. It would be a lot more graceful for the legend if we call just acknowledge where he is at now, and let him play as a backup a limited number of minutes. It hurts watching right now.

This is under the impression that he can. Keep in mind Klay came back from 2 1/2 years of missing basketball and was immediately slotted in the starting lineup in a team with a fantastic record. This was while being one of the worst players in the league until a few months later, and there were whispers that Kerr tried to have that convo with Klay that went absolutely nowhere. I feel should know that Klay's ego is far bigger than his actual capability.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#635 » by KevinMcreynolds » Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:50 pm

Hoopstar23 wrote:I think Klay is a vet minimum player right now

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I don’t think that’s too far off, he’s probably about the same level of player as Eric Gordon at this point. Although Eric Gordon has accepted that he’s merely a spot up shooter and Klay still thinks he’s an all-star player, so Gordon is more effective in his role.

I remember there was that report during preseason that the Warriors and Klay were “way off” on contract negotiations. Klay probably should have taken whatever deal they were offering cuz he’s not getting it now. I imagine he wanted 4/120m and they were offering 3/75 or 4/100. I don’t even think he’ll get 3/75 at this point.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#636 » by GswStorm3 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:00 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
Hoopstar23 wrote:
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOo


I don't find this funny at all.

Feel bad for Klay who at the height of his career was derailed by injuries while Chucklehead grabs for low hanging fruit and headlines.


That's not a real quote.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#637 » by whatisacenter » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:17 pm

GswStorm3 wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
Hoopstar23 wrote:
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOo


I don't find this funny at all.

Feel bad for Klay who at the height of his career was derailed by injuries while Chucklehead grabs for low hanging fruit and headlines.


That's not a real quote.


I still don't find it funny and feel bad for Klay.

Chucklehead says dumb crap all the time so it was easy to believe.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#638 » by Impuniti » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:36 pm

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Hoopstar23 wrote:I think Klay is a vet minimum player right now

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I don’t think that’s too far off, he’s probably about the same level of player as Eric Gordon at this point. Although Eric Gordon has accepted that he’s merely a spot up shooter and Klay still thinks he’s an all-star player, so Gordon is more effective in his role.

I remember there was that report during preseason that the Warriors and Klay were “way off” on contract negotiations. Klay probably should have taken whatever deal they were offering cuz he’s not getting it now. I imagine he wanted 4/120m and they were offering 3/75 or 4/100. I don’t even think he’ll get 3/75 at this point.

If they offer him anything more than 5 million a year, Dunleavy should be sacked the next morning. Klay absolutely fumbled due to his ego thinking he was worth way more and maybe once the team continues to fall further and further down, management maybe does something.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#639 » by Samurai » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:29 pm

Depends on what the actual goal is. If the true goal is to win, then Moody should be getting all of Klay's minutes and Dunleavy shouldn't offer more than a few million over vet minimum in the off-season. If another team wants to pay him more, then they have every right to waste their own money. If the goal is to massage his feelings and ego, then it is no longer a basketball or business decision.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#640 » by Dubs 707 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:10 pm

Yup similar to Kobes last contract...
Keep Kuminga At All Cost
(just not over 30 million)
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