Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[whatisacenter]

If I am running the Warriors the one thing that this season has shown me is to not trade any future FRP's for anything less than a superstar. That means no to any player on the level of Beal. The team needs to keep an eye on the future and the next two drafts have to potential to keep them at an elite level albeit with some speed bumps along the way. I know some will say go all in while Curry is still at this level but I don't see any player who might be available that would be worth mortgaging the future.

[wco81]

THat's the thing though, the next draft is touted and hyped but there's no guarantee that any of the player will be as good as Curry or Klay.

Hell Wiggins had a lot of hype coming in as well.

So do the Warriors try to get veteran, proven help for Curry now or bet on prospects who will carry the franchise for the next 10-15 years? Pair whoever they get out of the Minnesota pick with Wiseman and hope they will be cornerstones?

Or trade Wiseman and the Minnesota pick and possibly other picks to get an all NBA or multiple all Star?

[xdrta+]

THat's the thing though, the next draft is touted and hyped but there's no guarantee that any of the player will be as good as Curry or Klay.

Hell Wiggins had a lot of hype coming in as well.

So do the Warriors try to get veteran, proven help for Curry now or bet on prospects who will carry the franchise for the next 10-15 years? Pair whoever they get out of the Minnesota pick with Wiseman and hope they will be cornerstones?

Or trade Wiseman and the Minnesota pick and possibly other picks to get an all NBA or multiple all Star?

But who is this all-NBA player they could possibly get? Because I don't see one. Beal? Hell, no.

[FNQ]

i like rozier, but the warriors dont have depth at center to lose looney

Yup. Make it Wanamaker and I'd be very on board with the idea. Rozier is a 2 year contract, good salary ballast, has a role here.. he's a lot better than Rubio though so he might take issue with the idea of being a backup this year. But dont really care much about his feelings

[FNQ]

THat's the thing though, the next draft is touted and hyped but there's no guarantee that any of the player will be as good as Curry or Klay.

Hell Wiggins had a lot of hype coming in as well.

So do the Warriors try to get veteran, proven help for Curry now or bet on prospects who will carry the franchise for the next 10-15 years? Pair whoever they get out of the Minnesota pick with Wiseman and hope they will be cornerstones?

Or trade Wiseman and the Minnesota pick and possibly other picks to get an all NBA or multiple all Star?

But who is this all-NBA player they could possibly get? Because I don't see one. Beal? Hell, no.

Beal's not an all-NBA player?

The guy has above average efficiency despite having insane usage, and being on a team where he's basically the only legitimate scoring threat.. was a good defender when Wall was running the show. Having him, Klay and Curry on the court would be practically indefensible, and Beal's wingspan/defensive instincts make him a good fit for us too.

Everyone's activating their Danny Ainge alarms right now.. thats not how you get rings

[xdrta+]

THat's the thing though, the next draft is touted and hyped but there's no guarantee that any of the player will be as good as Curry or Klay.

Hell Wiggins had a lot of hype coming in as well.

So do the Warriors try to get veteran, proven help for Curry now or bet on prospects who will carry the franchise for the next 10-15 years? Pair whoever they get out of the Minnesota pick with Wiseman and hope they will be cornerstones?

Or trade Wiseman and the Minnesota pick and possibly other picks to get an all NBA or multiple all Star?

But who is this all-NBA player they could possibly get? Because I don't see one. Beal? Hell, no.

Beal's not an all-NBA player?

The guy has above average efficiency despite having insane usage, and being on a team where he's basically the only legitimate scoring threat.. was a good defender when Wall was running the show. Having him, Klay and Curry on the court would be practically indefensible, and Beal's wingspan/defensive instincts make him a good fit for us too.

Everyone's activating their Danny Ainge alarms right now.. thats not how you get rings

I don't think you get rings by going forward without a center and giving up valuable picks, the only hope for the future. I don't see Beal a good fit with Curry and Klay but maybe that's just me. I dislike Klay as SF guarding the big-time SFs in the West.

[killmongrel]

Anybody saying sell the farm for Beal are fooling themselves. It's like people forget we had younger Steph and Klay with Durant. And even then, we almost got beat by a team like the Rockets. And that was with a younger Draymond, Iguodala, and Livingston as role players. Adding Beal, who isn't a super star, while getting rid of our young players and assets is not the answer.

[FNQ]

Anybody saying sell the farm for Beal are fooling themselves. It's like people forget we had younger Steph and Klay with Durant. And even then, we almost got beat by a team like the Rockets. And that was with a younger Draymond, Iguodala, and Livingston as role players. Adding Beal, who isn't a super star, while getting rid of our young players and assets is not the answer.

Clearly the answer is waiting until these young players are good enough to pair with a late 30s Curry/Klay/Draymond?

Or are we just throwing in the towel in terms of trying to win rings as our trio sunsets?

Is Wiseman and the MIN 1st "the farm" ? 2 players?

Eh maybe we'll get lucky and no other teams in the NBA will adopt a win-now attitude.. let's get back to talking about Lonzo Ball and PJ Tucker instead? Yall make no sense to me

[killmongrel]

Anybody saying sell the farm for Beal are fooling themselves. It's like people forget we had younger Steph and Klay with Durant. And even then, we almost got beat by a team like the Rockets. And that was with a younger Draymond, Iguodala, and Livingston as role players. Adding Beal, who isn't a super star, while getting rid of our young players and assets is not the answer.

Clearly the answer is waiting until these young players are good enough to pair with a late 30s Curry/Klay/Draymond?

Or are we just throwing in the towel in terms of trying to win rings as our trio sunsets?

Is Wiseman and the MIN 1st "the farm" ? 2 players?

Eh maybe we'll get lucky and no other teams in the NBA will adopt a win-now attitude.. let's get back to talking about Lonzo Ball and PJ Tucker instead? Yall make no sense to me

So I haven't read the thread's every post. So tell me what your outline is when it comes to what this team should do to maximize Steph's window.

[wco81]

Right now, Wiseman is a negative on court

We're praying that he consistently has positive impact.

The question is how much time Klay, Curry and Draymond have before he becomes a positive-impact player, if he EVER becomes one.

So if they can get a team to bite on him for the potential, you do it every time.

But Beal is a long shot because several teams will be vying to trade for him, including top contenders which have already mortgaged their futures.

It would be great if GSW could swindle the Wizards but probably not happening. Only way it happens is if Beal said he wants to join GSW and would only sign an extension with GSW.

IOW, do what AD did to tank his trade value against every team other than the Lakers. And even then, the Lakers may not have had to pay as much as they did.

[FNQ]

But who is this all-NBA player they could possibly get? Because I don't see one. Beal? Hell, no.

Beal's not an all-NBA player?

The guy has above average efficiency despite having insane usage, and being on a team where he's basically the only legitimate scoring threat.. was a good defender when Wall was running the show. Having him, Klay and Curry on the court would be practically indefensible, and Beal's wingspan/defensive instincts make him a good fit for us too.

Everyone's activating their Danny Ainge alarms right now.. thats not how you get rings

I don't think you get rings by going forward without a center and giving up valuable picks, the only hope for the future. I don't see Beal a good fit with Curry and Klay but maybe that's just me. I dislike Klay as SF guarding the big-time SFs in the West.

We won rings with Zaza Pachulia and Javale McGee signing damn near minimum contracts at C. We're an aging star team in the present.. the time to act is right now.

Klay guarding SFs probably the only legitimate concern, but we've ran smallball to great success in the past, where he also guarded SFs. The main challenge is getting smart players who play good rotational defense, and Beal has done that when he wasnt carrying the entire time on above average efficiency

[FNQ]

Anybody saying sell the farm for Beal are fooling themselves. It's like people forget we had younger Steph and Klay with Durant. And even then, we almost got beat by a team like the Rockets. And that was with a younger Draymond, Iguodala, and Livingston as role players. Adding Beal, who isn't a super star, while getting rid of our young players and assets is not the answer.

Clearly the answer is waiting until these young players are good enough to pair with a late 30s Curry/Klay/Draymond?

Or are we just throwing in the towel in terms of trying to win rings as our trio sunsets?

Is Wiseman and the MIN 1st "the farm" ? 2 players?

Eh maybe we'll get lucky and no other teams in the NBA will adopt a win-now attitude.. let's get back to talking about Lonzo Ball and PJ Tucker instead? Yall make no sense to me

So I haven't read the thread's every post. So tell me what your outline is when it comes to what this team should do to maximize Steph's window.

Using Oubre for salary ballast, trade for a star

Using Oubre to trade for a 2 year contract, trade for a star in the offseason

In both scenarios, retain Lee, Looney, and Paschall

You'd have 8 rotational players, 2 of whom are at definite elite level in Curry/star (let's say Beal for now). So that team would be:

Curry
Beal / Wiggins / Lee
Klay / Wiggins / Lee
Draymond / Paschall
Looney / Draymond / Paschall

And that's before you make a single roster move or sign anyone down to chase rings. That's a perimeter bombing team that can play defense as well. Teams would adjust to us, not vice versa.

[killmongrel]

Clearly the answer is waiting until these young players are good enough to pair with a late 30s Curry/Klay/Draymond?

Or are we just throwing in the towel in terms of trying to win rings as our trio sunsets?

Is Wiseman and the MIN 1st "the farm" ? 2 players?

Eh maybe we'll get lucky and no other teams in the NBA will adopt a win-now attitude.. let's get back to talking about Lonzo Ball and PJ Tucker instead? Yall make no sense to me

So I haven't read the thread's every post. So tell me what your outline is when it comes to what this team should do to maximize Steph's window.

Using Oubre for salary ballast, trade for a star

Using Oubre to trade for a 2 year contract, trade for a star in the offseason

In both scenarios, retain Lee, Looney, and Paschall

You'd have 8 rotational players, 2 of whom are at definite elite level in Curry/star (let's say Beal for now). So that team would be:

Curry
Beal / Wiggins / Lee
Klay / Wiggins / Lee
Draymond / Paschall
Looney / Draymond / Paschall

And that's before you make a single roster move or sign anyone down to chase rings. That's a perimeter bombing team that can play defense as well. Teams would adjust to us, not vice versa.

I agree with doing all the steps you outlined aside from trading for Beal. If you think a lineup of Curry, Beal, Klay, Draymond, Wiggins, Looney, wins us a championship, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. Also, we have just gutted our future for a non super star.

Yes, use Oubre's salary to get a player who can help us or at least keep that salary slot alive if we trade him. And when we have an idea of how the landscape of the leauge loos in the summer, see about making a move. If there isn't a significant move to make for a bonafide super star, try to see what moves we can make to bolster the team without decimating our assets and potential young stars.

[FNQ]

So I haven't read the thread's every post. So tell me what your outline is when it comes to what this team should do to maximize Steph's window.

Using Oubre for salary ballast, trade for a star

Using Oubre to trade for a 2 year contract, trade for a star in the offseason

In both scenarios, retain Lee, Looney, and Paschall

You'd have 8 rotational players, 2 of whom are at definite elite level in Curry/star (let's say Beal for now). So that team would be:

Curry
Beal / Wiggins / Lee
Klay / Wiggins / Lee
Draymond / Paschall
Looney / Draymond / Paschall

And that's before you make a single roster move or sign anyone down to chase rings. That's a perimeter bombing team that can play defense as well. Teams would adjust to us, not vice versa.

I agree with doing all the steps you outlined aside from trading for Beal. If you think a lineup of Curry, Beal, Klay, Draymond, Looney, wins us a championship, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. Also, we have just gutted our future for a non super star.

Yes, use Oubre's salary to get a player who can help us or at least keep that salary slot alive if we trade him. And when we have an idea of how the landscape of the leauge loos in the summer, see about making a move. If there isn't a significant move to make for a bonafide super star, try to see what moves we can make to bolster the team without decimating our assets and potential young stars.

Beal leads the league in scoring, at above average efficiency, despite teams selling out to stop him.. imagine if you gave teams the options of running out to help on Curry/Klay/Beal... and unlike KD, Beal isn't some iso warrior - he moves the ball around, plays smart. A rude awakening of not being a title team because.. you say so? Seems like you guys underrate Beal because he plays on a bad team

How is that different than the GB saying Steph isnt a star anymore? Its a lazy write-off. The guy is damn good, entering his prime, and a definite impact player that would fit great here. Only problem is we dont know what Klay brings to the table.. other than that, he fits our system perfectly

[killmongrel]

Using Oubre for salary ballast, trade for a star

Using Oubre to trade for a 2 year contract, trade for a star in the offseason

In both scenarios, retain Lee, Looney, and Paschall

You'd have 8 rotational players, 2 of whom are at definite elite level in Curry/star (let's say Beal for now). So that team would be:

Curry
Beal / Wiggins / Lee
Klay / Wiggins / Lee
Draymond / Paschall
Looney / Draymond / Paschall

And that's before you make a single roster move or sign anyone down to chase rings. That's a perimeter bombing team that can play defense as well. Teams would adjust to us, not vice versa.

I agree with doing all the steps you outlined aside from trading for Beal. If you think a lineup of Curry, Beal, Klay, Draymond, Looney, wins us a championship, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. Also, we have just gutted our future for a non super star.

Yes, use Oubre's salary to get a player who can help us or at least keep that salary slot alive if we trade him. And when we have an idea of how the landscape of the leauge loos in the summer, see about making a move. If there isn't a significant move to make for a bonafide super star, try to see what moves we can make to bolster the team without decimating our assets and potential young stars.

Beal leads the league in scoring, at above average efficiency, despite teams selling out to stop him.. imagine if you gave teams the options of running out to help on Curry/Klay/Beal... and unlike KD, Beal isn't some iso warrior - he moves the ball around, plays smart. A rude awakening of not being a title team because.. you say so? Seems like you guys underrate Beal because he plays on a bad team

How is that different than the GB saying Steph isnt a star anymore? Its a lazy write-off. The guy is damn good, entering his prime, and a definite impact player that would fit great here. Only problem is we dont know what Klay brings to the table.. other than that, he fits our system perfectly

I see you forgot to add the part where our backcourt would be bad defensively and how Looney is still undersized in a lot of matchups. So now we'd have to hope that we can get significant vet minimum players to come play for us and hit a home run with the MLE. So after gutting our assets and future, we're still not sure we have a significant shot at winning a Finals. Like I said, even with Durant, the Warriors weren't infallible. And we still had better role players surrounding that core. If Draymond and Klay don't come back close to what they were, we're really rolling with a core of Steph, Beal, and Wiggins, and Looney's health.

[whatisacenter]

THat's the thing though, the next draft is touted and hyped but there's no guarantee that any of the player will be as good as Curry or Klay.

Hell Wiggins had a lot of hype coming in as well.

So do the Warriors try to get veteran, proven help for Curry now or bet on prospects who will carry the franchise for the next 10-15 years? Pair whoever they get out of the Minnesota pick with Wiseman and hope they will be cornerstones?

Or trade Wiseman and the Minnesota pick and possibly other picks to get an all NBA or multiple all Star?

But who is this all-NBA player they could possibly get? Because I don't see one. Beal? Hell, no.

Beal's not an all-NBA player?

The guy has above average efficiency despite having insane usage, and being on a team where he's basically the only legitimate scoring threat.. was a good defender when Wall was running the show. Having him, Klay and Curry on the court would be practically indefensible, and Beal's wingspan/defensive instincts make him a good fit for us too.

Everyone's activating their Danny Ainge alarms right now.. thats not how you get rings

A Curry/Beal back court would get torched!

[FNQ]

I see you forgot to add the part where our backcourt would be bad defensively and how Looney is still undersized in a lot of matchups. So now we'd have to hope that we can get significant vet minimum players to come play for us and hit a home run with the MLE. So after gutting our assets and future, we're still not sure we have a significant shot at winning a Finals. Like I said, even with Durant, the Warriors weren't infallible. And we still had better role players surrounding that core. If Draymond and Klay don't come back close to what they were, we're really rolling with a core of Steph, Beal, and Wiggins, and Looney's health.

Beal's not a bad defender. This narrative has become cartoonish.. he was a very good defender when Wall was healthy and he wasnt the entire WSH offense. Or are we going off the GBs word and defensive metric stats - the same ones that said Klay wasnt a good defender and Wiggins currently isnt?

We consistently had to find minimum/BAE level Cs in the past, we dont really require much from the C position other than rebounding and setting good screens.

Its not a guaranteed title but I can guarantee this - its a lot better odds than hoping Wiseman and some pick - one that may not be realized in 2022 - will get us. Our entire backcourt would be a huge problem for the rest of league

[FNQ]

But who is this all-NBA player they could possibly get? Because I don't see one. Beal? Hell, no.

Beal's not an all-NBA player?

The guy has above average efficiency despite having insane usage, and being on a team where he's basically the only legitimate scoring threat.. was a good defender when Wall was running the show. Having him, Klay and Curry on the court would be practically indefensible, and Beal's wingspan/defensive instincts make him a good fit for us too.

Everyone's activating their Danny Ainge alarms right now.. thats not how you get rings

A Curry/Beal back court would get torched!

If so, that's on Curry, and there's not much to be done there. Beal's been a good defender when you aren't running him out there at near 40% usage.

But I can see I already said this above and people are just repeating how bad Beal must be at defense.. so whatever. Our FO has proven to be able to see these kinds of things.. if we're in play for Beal with our assets - meaning the Wizards value Wiseman and our first higher than any other potential offers - then I think we'll get him.

[TB]

The question is can we win a title this year or next with Wiseman and the Minny pick being a net negative towards winning?

Steph is legendary, so i wouldn't put it past him, but the consensus would be no. So I really see two likely options at contending for a title:

1) Trade Wiseman and Minny pick so Steph can content for a title while he's still an MVP level player.

2) Keep Wiseman and the Minny pick and aim for contention when/if those guys are star level players.

I don't think either are a bad option, but the worry with number 2 is that there is no guarantee we nail the minny pick and we don't know what type of player our stars will be at that time, or if they will be content waiting a couple years.

I would vote for option 1. Trade Wiseman and the pick if it can land you a Beal level star. MVP level Steph is the guy to build around, not Wiseman and a 2021 rookie. And this is coming from someone that is desperate to have Jalen Green on the Warriors lol.

[killmongrel]

I see you forgot to add the part where our backcourt would be bad defensively and how Looney is still undersized in a lot of matchups. So now we'd have to hope that we can get significant vet minimum players to come play for us and hit a home run with the MLE. So after gutting our assets and future, we're still not sure we have a significant shot at winning a Finals. Like I said, even with Durant, the Warriors weren't infallible. And we still had better role players surrounding that core. If Draymond and Klay don't come back close to what they were, we're really rolling with a core of Steph, Beal, and Wiggins, and Looney's health.

Beal's not a bad defender. This narrative has become cartoonish.. he was a very good defender when Wall was healthy and he wasnt the entire WSH offense. Or are we going off the GBs word and defensive metric stats - the same ones that said Klay wasnt a good defender and Wiggins currently isnt?

We consistently had to find minimum/BAE level Cs in the past, we dont really require much from the C position other than rebounding and setting good screens.

Its not a guaranteed title but I can guarantee this - its a lot better odds than hoping Wiseman and some pick - one that may not be realized in 2022 - will get us. Our entire backcourt would be a huge problem for the rest of league

You're right, this would give us better odds on paper. But I don't think it's going to work out like you expect it to. I don't see a backcourt of Steph and Beal working defensively. And I don't think the defensive talent of Wiggins, Draymond, Klay, and Looney are enough to make up for it. I don't see Beal being talented enough that he makes the team a juggernaut like Durant did for us with a younger Steph, Klay, and Draymond, with role players like Livingston and Iguodala.

While hoping Wiseman takes leaps forward in his development to help maximize Steph's window isn't ideal, it might be the best chance we have in having a bonafide contending roster that sets us up for the future as well. Also, I'm actually not against the idea of trading Wiseman and the Minny pick. But it either has to be a blockbuster trade, or a minimal trade where we don't lose both assets. I don't think getting Beal makes this team close to being a favorite for the title. That's why I'm against gutting our future for him.