is Klay done?

EvanZ · Post #642 » by **EvanZ** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:43 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273703/Russell-Westbrook-Requests-To-Come-Off-Bench-For-Clippers

Your move Klay

CDM_Stats · Post #643 » by **CDM_Stats** » Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:35 am

EvanZ wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273703/Russell-Westbrook-Requests-To-Come-Off-Bench-For-Clippers

Your move Klay

Seriously though, this would be the ideal time to bench him.. pair it with the Westbrook thing. See if he acts out before going into free agency.. it also softens the PR blow that the benching happens with another former star

It won't, but if the coach was ballsy or the player was honest with himself, it should happen

CDM_Stats · Post #644 » by **CDM_Stats** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:21 am

Klay was ok in the 1st half vs OKC, and we were up 10. Klay was terrible the rest of the way, and we were -17 in that time.

There's obviously a lot more to it than just that, but he's averaging just over 14ppg on terrible efficiency, spiked TO numbers despite bringing in CP3 and playing with him a lot, and being annihilated on defense.

The season boils down to whether or not Kerr takes a stand

KevinMcreynolds · Post #645 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:59 am

Kerr pulled him in the 2nd quarter for Podz. It’s a sign of things to come.

DonaldSanders · Post #646 » by **DonaldSanders** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:49 am

So tired of feeling annoyed with Klay, at this point I'm blaming Steve. Klay has gotten his chance, he is who he is right now. It's on Steve for playing him way too much and putting him in situations where he can't succeed. He's not the same player so I get why he is frustrated, it's really tough aging + having these injuries. Steve needs to do the right thing and allow him to age more gracefully, this is just so painful. He's getting clowned in every NBA circle, thread, whatever.

Just make it stop Steve, please. PLEASE

bicycle · Post #647 » by **bicycle** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:39 am

EvanZ wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273703/Russell-Westbrook-Requests-To-Come-Off-Bench-For-Clippers

Your move Klay

I'm sure Klay Thompson holds Moses Moody in the same esteem that Westbrook holds Harden in, and will also gracefully step aside. That's the Klay I know.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #648 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:49 pm

Kerr needs to adapt to this klay and klay has to adapt to this klay.

Klay should no longer get the most minutes on this team thinking he's the same klay from 5 years ago.

I have no doubt the shot will come around, but there are some serious issues with the rest of his game.

Impuniti · Post #649 » by **Impuniti** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:50 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:Kerr pulled him in the 2nd quarter for Podz. It’s a sign of things to come.

What about the 4th and OT?

KevinMcreynolds · Post #650 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:16 am

Impuniti wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:Kerr pulled him in the 2nd quarter for Podz. It’s a sign of things to come.

What about the 4th and OT?

moody did come in for him in the middle of the 4th for like 5 minutes

Impuniti · Post #651 » by **Impuniti** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:17 am

KevinMcreynolds wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:Kerr pulled him in the 2nd quarter for Podz. It’s a sign of things to come.

What about the 4th and OT?

moody did come in for him in the middle of the 4th for like 5 minutes

Yet Klay closed the game and played in OT, absolutely stinking up the place. I'm not even fully mad at Klay. He's always been one of the most egotistical self-centered players in the league. That's only gotten worse after the injuries. This is on Kerr for not doing his job instead of dreaming about the players figuring it all out..

bicycle · Post #652 » by **bicycle** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:26 am

If Moses Moody goes to talk to Steve Kerr and asks "What will it take to get more important minutes? What will it take to earn a starting role on this team?" What do you think Steve's reply would be?

CDM_Stats · Post #653 » by **CDM_Stats** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:31 am

bicycle wrote:If Moses Moody goes to talk to Steve Kerr and asks "What will it take to get more important minutes? What will it take to earn a starting role on this team?" What do you think Steve's reply would be?

who the **** are you

WarriorGM · Post #654 » by **WarriorGM** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:43 am

bicycle wrote:If Moses Moody goes to talk to Steve Kerr and asks "What will it take to get more important minutes? What will it take to earn a starting role on this team?" What do you think Steve's reply would be?

I'm currently giving our long time guy the opportunity to showcase himself in a contract year. If you want me to do the same for you in the future you'll wait.

wco81 · Post #655 » by **wco81** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:05 am

If Klay can't score around 20 PPG on very good to elite efficiency like he has most of his career, then not only is he done, so are the Warriors.

Not like they're going to shut teams down and beat them despite scoring less.

There isn't another 20 PPG scorer with high efficiency on the team besides Curry. And they're not likely to trade for one either.

GQ Hot Dog · Post #656 » by **GQ Hot Dog** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:41 am

wco81 wrote:If Klay can't score around 20 PPG on very good to elite efficiency like he has most of his career, then not only is he done, so are the Warriors.

Not like they're going to shut teams down and beat them despite scoring less.

There isn't another 20 PPG scorer with high efficiency on the team besides Curry. And they're not likely to trade for one either.

Is MDJ not allowed to trade future picks/swaps for another scorer to pair with Curry? We don't know what Lacob's policy is regarding future picks/swaps but I wonder how many would we have to include to make a Wiggins for Siakam deal work?

thunderdunk · Post #657 » by **thunderdunk** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:45 am

Impuniti wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:
Hoopstar23 wrote:I think Klay is a vet minimum player right now

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I don’t think that’s too far off, he’s probably about the same level of player as Eric Gordon at this point. Although Eric Gordon has accepted that he’s merely a spot up shooter and Klay still thinks he’s an all-star player, so Gordon is more effective in his role.

I remember there was that report during preseason that the Warriors and Klay were “way off” on contract negotiations. Klay probably should have taken whatever deal they were offering cuz he’s not getting it now. I imagine he wanted 4/120m and they were offering 3/75 or 4/100. I don’t even think he’ll get 3/75 at this point.

If they offer him anything more than 5 million a year, Dunleavy should be sacked the next morning. Klay absolutely fumbled due to his ego thinking he was worth way more and maybe once the team continues to fall further and further down, management maybe does something.

I think the Dubs next offer will be dictated in part by how he's doing by end of the season/playoffs -- and if he's still on the roster. Especially with the huge lux tax implications for any signing they do, at this point I agree -- and he's not worth anything near what he apparently thinks. His limitations are becoming more apparent across the league -- but there's always an owner or two who will overpay for a future Hall of Famer. And reference what Minny traded to get Gobert. Sometimes GM's and owners make mistakes. So you never know. But at this point, for sure, Klay has screwed himself by not signing earlier.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #658 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:50 am

GQ Hot Dog wrote:
wco81 wrote:If Klay can't score around 20 PPG on very good to elite efficiency like he has most of his career, then not only is he done, so are the Warriors.

Not like they're going to shut teams down and beat them despite scoring less.

There isn't another 20 PPG scorer with high efficiency on the team besides Curry. And they're not likely to trade for one either.

Is MDJ not allowed to trade future picks/swaps for another scorer to pair with Curry? We don't know what Lacob's policy is regarding future picks/swaps but I wonder how many would we have to include to make a Wiggins for Siakam deal work?

You must really have faith in klay taking wiggs' defensive role of poa defender and scrambler.

CDM_Stats · Post #659 » by **CDM_Stats** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:02 am

thunderdunk wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:
I don’t think that’s too far off, he’s probably about the same level of player as Eric Gordon at this point. Although Eric Gordon has accepted that he’s merely a spot up shooter and Klay still thinks he’s an all-star player, so Gordon is more effective in his role.

I remember there was that report during preseason that the Warriors and Klay were “way off” on contract negotiations. Klay probably should have taken whatever deal they were offering cuz he’s not getting it now. I imagine he wanted 4/120m and they were offering 3/75 or 4/100. I don’t even think he’ll get 3/75 at this point.

If they offer him anything more than 5 million a year, Dunleavy should be sacked the next morning. Klay absolutely fumbled due to his ego thinking he was worth way more and maybe once the team continues to fall further and further down, management maybe does something.

I think the Dubs next offer will be dictated in part by how he's doing by end of the season/playoffs -- and if he's still on the roster. Especially with the huge lux tax implications for any signing they do, at this point I agree -- and he's not worth anything near what he apparently thinks. His limitations are becoming more apparent across the league -- but there's always an owner or two who will overpay for a future Hall of Famer. And reference what Minny traded to get Gobert. Sometimes GM's and owners make mistakes. So you never know. But at this point, for sure, Klay has screwed himself by not signing earlier.

Klay's biggest value at this point is the large expiring contract, but we're not in a position to take advantage of it because of the 2nd apron.. the ideal situation would be one where you can swap him out along with a worthless vet min, Cory Joseph, to someone where they are dumping a partial expiring + partial bad contract.

He's really tough to move all things considered.. viable in a Lavine trade of course. Maybe Hayward, maybe Hield.. but reality is that between dumb loyalty and the market, it seems like Lavine or bust, but Lavine would lock us into an apron situation unless GP2, Kuminga or Looney went out as well, which would create a fresh problem. Klay situation has to be resolved in-house

GQ Hot Dog · Post #660 » by **GQ Hot Dog** » Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:17 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
GQ Hot Dog wrote:
wco81 wrote:If Klay can't score around 20 PPG on very good to elite efficiency like he has most of his career, then not only is he done, so are the Warriors.

Not like they're going to shut teams down and beat them despite scoring less.

There isn't another 20 PPG scorer with high efficiency on the team besides Curry. And they're not likely to trade for one either.

Is MDJ not allowed to trade future picks/swaps for another scorer to pair with Curry? We don't know what Lacob's policy is regarding future picks/swaps but I wonder how many would we have to include to make a Wiggins for Siakam deal work?

You must really have faith in klay taking wiggs' defensive role of poa defender and scrambler.

Nope. I am intrigued with the idea of a major overhaul structured around Wiggins and picks to Toronto for Siakam.

There are all sorts of additions that could be made including Klay and CP3 on our end and Trent, OG, Boucher and OPJ on their end. All those additions would require more picks from our end. It depends on how big a commitment Lacob wants to make.

This is in anticipation of Moody and Kuminga continuing to take steps and earn minutes.

In its most basic form, the starting five would be some combination of Curry + Moody/Kuminga/Siakam/Draymond/Looney and maybe GP2.

If Lacob sells the farm to get OG and/or Trent included, things get really interesting.