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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#661 » by KevinMcreynolds » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:48 pm

I was iso-watching him on D, his lateral quickness for his size is elite. Even small quick guards can’t get by him. Give my man some run! LET JON COOK
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Post#662 » by HiRez » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:25 pm

Comparing him to some other players shows that in terms of per 100 possessions, he is quite close to some of the other rookies in counting stats:

Evan Mobley:
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Scottie Barnes:
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His efficiency is of course quite bad right now and that needs to improve to unlock his full potential, but still very high on this kid! Play him more, Kerr.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#663 » by and1GS » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:54 pm

Anybody else squint to blur out Kuminga's 3pt% when your eyes scroll past it :lol:
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Post#664 » by shazam_guy » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:42 pm

Let's face it, we don't really want Kuminga shooting many three-pointers right now. But he has to put one up every now and then, just like Draymond does, or it lets the defense off the hook. I look forward to what we have after the coaches work with him this year and the off-season on his shot.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#665 » by floppymoose » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:59 pm

I have seen the future and JK will be in the 30's on 3p% by end of next season.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#666 » by Samurai » Tue Dec 7, 2021 9:30 pm

and1GS wrote:Anybody else squint to blur out Kuminga's 3pt% when your eyes scroll past it :lol:

Nah - its a miniscule sample size (2-15). When he gets closer to 75+ attempts then I'll start to pay attention. Although I don't expect significant improvement till next season; right now he is still trying to learn how to play basketball. He can focus more specifically on outside shooting next summer.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#667 » by Scoots1994 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 9:41 pm

and1GS wrote:Anybody else squint to blur out Kuminga's 3pt% when your eyes scroll past it :lol:


If he's not going to be around .330 at a minimum he should avoid taking the shot, but it's still really early in his career so I'm still hopeful he can be functional from 3.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#668 » by FNQ » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:17 pm

shazam_guy wrote:Let's face it, we don't really want Kuminga shooting many three-pointers right now. But he has to put one up every now and then, just like Draymond does, or it lets the defense off the hook. I look forward to what we have after the coaches work with him this year and the off-season on his shot.


Kuminga’s built like a tank, has solid handles, good counter moves, solid vision, and near elite athleticism.. the one thing he’s missing is a solid jumper, and even that is showing promise.

I want him shooting any and every 3pt shot he can, especially in garbage time. And even when he gets legit minutes I want to see it.. we’re 20-4, and IMO the whole point of having the cartoonish W/L record is that we can get away with long-term benefits at the expense of short term ones, like developing Kuminga/Wiseman/Moody and extra load management days.

Greenest of green lights for Kuminga behind the arc until shooting a 3 is no longer a big deal for him. Then once it becomes more about muscle memory, work on shot selection. I’m never worried about guys with decent BBIQ becoming checkers, and Kuminga definitely doesn’t seem the type
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#669 » by KevinMcreynolds » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:41 pm

and1GS wrote:Anybody else squint to blur out Kuminga's 3pt% when your eyes scroll past it :lol:


It doesn’t really bother me, he’s not going to be a perimeter player. He’s gonna put his nuts on people’s forehead instead
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#670 » by and1GS » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:42 pm

Crazy to see most of us with similar Kuminga takeaways when some of his major gaps according to draft experts were BBIQ, court vision, decision making and defense. I have 0 concerns about those areas of his game. He definitely falls asleep on rotations, but I think that's a maturity thing and the jumpshot may or may not come around. Even without it he's an effective player. I really hope he continues to get real PT. We're a quarter of the way through the season and at this time next year we'll be expecting the young guys to really be in the rotation - it's risky to not develop them now when we have the chance.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#671 » by clyde21 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:49 pm

he's never gonna be a great 3pt shooter other than being a spot up guy kinda, but as long as you don't can't leave him open in the shooter spots that's all what counts, otherwise his bread&butter will be a slashing combo big who puts pressure on rim and thrives off kickouts. that's how he should be used.
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Post#672 » by a8bil » Tue Dec 7, 2021 11:28 pm

clyde21 wrote:he's never gonna be a great 3pt shooter other than being a spot up guy kinda, but as long as you don't can't leave him open in the shooter spots that's all what counts, otherwise his bread&butter will be a slashing combo big who puts pressure on rim and thrives off kickouts. that's how he should be used.
Never say never...Kawhi was supposed to be terrible...he's at a career .384. Both Balls had broken shots. Lonzo is at .426 this season, and avg. .376 the last 2. JK can become good, but he needs to work on his shot. Right now he's flicking the ball with his wrists. Very few players can get consistency with a wristy shot action...Tim hardaway is the last I can remember.
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Post#673 » by clyde21 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 11:34 pm

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clyde21 wrote:he's never gonna be a great 3pt shooter other than being a spot up guy kinda, but as long as you don't can't leave him open in the shooter spots that's all what counts, otherwise his bread&butter will be a slashing combo big who puts pressure on rim and thrives off kickouts. that's how he should be used.
Never say never...Kawhi was supposed to be terrible...he's at a career .384. Both Balls had broken shots. Lonzo is at .426 this season, and avg. .376 the last 2. JK can become good, but he needs to work on his shot. Right now he's flicking the ball with his wrists. Very few players can get consistency with a wristy shot action...Tim hardaway is the last I can remember.


its physics, mechanics, he'll never be a great shooter the same way LeBron's never been a great shooter, you cannot be a great shooter with that body type.
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Post#674 » by wco81 » Wed Dec 8, 2021 12:01 am

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and1GS wrote:Anybody else squint to blur out Kuminga's 3pt% when your eyes scroll past it :lol:


If he's not going to be around .330 at a minimum he should avoid taking the shot, but it's still really early in his career so I'm still hopeful he can be functional from 3.


He should have been shooting nothing but 3s after the G League season, hire a shooting coach and spend hours in a gym shooting 3s, FTs.

Ultimately it's going to affect his earnings potential. Plenty of 3s picked in the lottery have flamed out because they were sub 30%, even sub 28% 3-point shooters during their first 5 years in the league.
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Post#675 » by wco81 » Wed Dec 8, 2021 12:07 am

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clyde21 wrote:he's never gonna be a great 3pt shooter other than being a spot up guy kinda, but as long as you don't can't leave him open in the shooter spots that's all what counts, otherwise his bread&butter will be a slashing combo big who puts pressure on rim and thrives off kickouts. that's how he should be used.
Never say never...Kawhi was supposed to be terrible...he's at a career .384. Both Balls had broken shots. Lonzo is at .426 this season, and avg. .376 the last 2. JK can become good, but he needs to work on his shot. Right now he's flicking the ball with his wrists. Very few players can get consistency with a wristy shot action...Tim hardaway is the last I can remember.


its physics, mechanics, he'll never be a great shooter the same way LeBron's never been a great shooter, you cannot be a great shooter with that body type.


LeBron has hit plenty of big 3s in his career.

When the Warriors beat him the first time, there were articles about how he couldn't shoot outside the paint at all, that maybe he had too many miles on him, after like 14 seasons in the league.

Well the second Finals series, where they came back, because the NBA suspended Draymond, he shot the lights out in the last 3 games of the series. He shot like he had nothing to lose and he and Kyrie got red hot.

In the last couple of seasons, he's developed a midrange turnaround and he hits a lot of those. This season, he's taking the most 3 pointers in his career, though his FTAs have gone down so that's not a good trend for him.

As for as muscular guys shooting, Bane is shooting very well, including a lot of pull up 3s, step back 3s and the like. Big biceps but alligator arms and he's shooting a high percentage.
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Post#676 » by clyde21 » Wed Dec 8, 2021 12:14 am

never said he won't hit big 3s, just said he's never be a great shooter, that's a fact. for as many as big 3s LeBron's hit, he's still an average shooter at best.

and im not talking about muscle, although that doesn't really help either.

this is just facts, if Kuminga is an average 3 pt shooter we should take that and run. not really his game at all and anyone expecting to him to be a great or even plus shooter is gonna be disappointed.
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Post#677 » by GunnerWRX » Wed Dec 8, 2021 12:21 am

I learned from this board that it's easy to add a 3pt shot. I am not concerned about Kuminga's future at all!
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Post#678 » by and1GS » Wed Dec 8, 2021 12:43 am

wco81 wrote:
Scoots1994 wrote:
and1GS wrote:Anybody else squint to blur out Kuminga's 3pt% when your eyes scroll past it :lol:


If he's not going to be around .330 at a minimum he should avoid taking the shot, but it's still really early in his career so I'm still hopeful he can be functional from 3.


He should have been shooting nothing but 3s after the G League season, hire a shooting coach and spend hours in a gym shooting 3s, FTs.

Ultimately it's going to affect his earnings potential. Plenty of 3s picked in the lottery have flamed out because they were sub 30%, even sub 28% 3-point shooters during their first 5 years in the league.


Even if he goes the Monta/DeRozan (what a wild pairing, right?) and develops either an elbow jumper (the former) or a nice midrange game (the latter) he can be wildly effective. We've seen he can drive under pressure, any added advantage would make him devastating. I haven't been this excited about a rookie since Anthony Randolph (gulp).
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Post#679 » by a8bil » Wed Dec 8, 2021 4:08 am

clyde21 wrote:
a8bil wrote:
clyde21 wrote:he's never gonna be a great 3pt shooter other than being a spot up guy kinda, but as long as you don't can't leave him open in the shooter spots that's all what counts, otherwise his bread&butter will be a slashing combo big who puts pressure on rim and thrives off kickouts. that's how he should be used.
Never say never...Kawhi was supposed to be terrible...he's at a career .384. Both Balls had broken shots. Lonzo is at .426 this season, and avg. .376 the last 2. JK can become good, but he needs to work on his shot. Right now he's flicking the ball with his wrists. Very few players can get consistency with a wristy shot action...Tim hardaway is the last I can remember.


its physics, mechanics, he'll never be a great shooter the same way LeBron's never been a great shooter, you cannot be a great shooter with that body type.
Seems like a carbon copy of Kawhi...if he can rise to that level, he'll be more than fine.
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Post#680 » by clyde21 » Wed Dec 8, 2021 4:11 am

a8bil wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
a8bil wrote: Never say never...Kawhi was supposed to be terrible...he's at a career .384. Both Balls had broken shots. Lonzo is at .426 this season, and avg. .376 the last 2. JK can become good, but he needs to work on his shot. Right now he's flicking the ball with his wrists. Very few players can get consistency with a wristy shot action...Tim hardaway is the last I can remember.


its physics, mechanics, he'll never be a great shooter the same way LeBron's never been a great shooter, you cannot be a great shooter with that body type.
Seems like a carbon copy of Kawhi...if he can rise to that level, he'll be more than fine.


i dont see it, Kawhi's a way more wiry athlete, and not as big boned...this is kawhi at same age

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not sure where people are getting this from, body type is nothing like Kawhi's...his body type is much more in the LeBron build.
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