Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Old_Blue]

A lot of rumblings about the Dubs insisting on Keegan Murray as part of any Kuminga trade. This would, of course, be amazing...

https://motorcyclesports.net/kings-reluctance-to-trade-keegan-murray-highlights-their-strategic-dilemma-amidst-kuminga-negotiations/

sure...Keegan is like poor man's HB. Amazing for us but i dont see him going anywhere.

Harrison Barnes wouldn't be bad, though I would hope the Spurs would toss in some additional draft capital.

[vvoland]

So in all likelihood everyone agrees Keon Ellis > JK

For this roster, next season, I'm not sold on that. Probably yes, but I think moody can do a lot of what keon can do while we can't really find someone like jk (big wing/slasher type) on our roster or in FA.

[vvoland]

A lot of rumblings about the Dubs insisting on Keegan Murray as part of any Kuminga trade. This would, of course, be amazing...

https://motorcyclesports.net/kings-reluctance-to-trade-keegan-murray-highlights-their-strategic-dilemma-amidst-kuminga-negotiations/

Posturing. Kings not trying to up an offer to Keegan level, Warriors aren’t settling for the Devin Carter lowball. Trade, if it happens, was always destined to fall somewhere in the middle

With the season Keegan had, if our options are sign jk for 22m or under for 2/3 years, get Keegan, krispert, or keon, id just rather just keep jk

[Dubs 707]

Look, trading Kuminga for lesser talent, just to get away from JK and hand minutes to a guy who's probably retiring in 3-4 years, is crazy work, like the kids say. Yes butler makes us a better team as shown in the regular season. But his age without Curry also showed in the Playoffs, to me it appeared as if he were playing through an injury.

If we’re not clearly getting better with the trade, then why even do it? Just to be a “good franchise” and accommodate JK? That doesn’t make sense to me. This isn’t a charity, it’s about getting better.

Personally, I’d max JK out and ride it through the first half of the season. If it’s not working or the fit’s off, you can still move him at the deadline, probably for more value than you’d get right now due to the new salary restrictions. He’s 22, improving fast, and already showing signs he could be a two way force. Don’t sell low just because he wants a bigger role.

And real talk? I’d trade Draymond before I’d trade JK. I know that’s a hot take, but I said what I said. Dray’s a legend, but he’s on the decline, and JK is just scratching the surface.

I’m not Jesus, don’t crucify me, just calling it like I see it.

[Twinkie defense]

How about Kuminga and Moody for Khris Middleton?

[Old_Blue]

How about Kuminga and Moody for Khris Middleton?

If the other option is a fork in the eyeball, that sounds preferable.

[Jester_]

Keegan's shooting percentage has declined every year since his rookie year. Still only 24 -- though older than Kuminga -- but Kings aren't going to give up on him.

Probably end up overpaying to extend him.

In any event, they'd be dumb to give up the 4th pick of the draft who's had some good moments. Though one reason they didn't have as good as season was that Murray not only failed to show improvement but regressed in shooting percentage.

Agreed. Don't see the Keegan appeal at all on our side.

[ChuckDurn]

Okay, I need somebody who understands the logistics of this better than me, because I see something really weird happening. Maybe I’m having a brain cramp on how things work, but something seems either really “off” about how this is all transpiring, or there’s a massively obvious signal being sent.

The mechanics of a sign-and-trade with an RFA under team X’s control are typically “the RFA finds a deal they would agree to with team Y, and then team Y negotiates with team X on a deal such that team X doesn’t match the offer.”

But the starting point is that the RFA has chosen a team to sign a contract with.

What we’re hearing here is that multiple teams are in-play and potentially making offers to the Warriors. And if that’s the case, does it basically mean that Kuminga is happy to sign with any of them? Even if the contract offers are different?

It seems to me that this is either (a) reporters / podcasters / media committing malpractice in how they’re depicting what’s happening (granted, they might be getting fed really bad information from agents or teams); (b) an indication that Kuminga is talking with all the reported teams and the offers must seem relatively the same; or (c) signaling that Kuminga just wants to get away from the Warriors so badly that he’ll take just about any reasonable offer, even if the offers aren’t close to equivalent.

Am I missing something here?

[jg77]

I'd take Keegan Murray in a heartbeat over Kuminga. I feel like we'd have to add draft capital to get him.

That'd actually be an exciting addition imo.

[Onus]

Okay, I need somebody who understands the logistics of this better than me, because I see something really weird happening. Maybe I’m having a brain cramp on how things work, but something seems either really “off” about how this is all transpiring, or there’s a massively obvious signal being sent.

The mechanics of a sign-and-trade with an RFA under team X’s control are typically “the RFA finds a deal they would agree to with team Y, and then team Y negotiates with team X on a deal such that team X doesn’t match the offer.”

But the starting point is that the RFA has chosen a team to sign a contract with.

What we’re hearing here is that multiple teams are in-play and potentially making offers to the Warriors. And if that’s the case, does it basically mean that Kuminga is happy to sign with any of them? Even if the contract offers are different?

It seems to me that this is either (a) reporters / podcasters / media committing malpractice in how they’re depicting what’s happening (granted, they might be getting fed really bad information from agents or teams); (b) an indication that Kuminga is talking with all the reported teams and the offers must seem relatively the same; or (c) signaling that Kuminga just wants to get away from the Warriors so badly that he’ll take just about any reasonable offer, even if the offers aren’t close to equivalent.

Am I missing something here?

My guess is that the warriors offered something like 20 per year. Jk’s agent is looking for more and trying to find a team willing to pay more in the 25+ range. The problem is that we can still make 25 work so we want actual compensation. Jk doesn’t care where he’s playing as long as he gets featured and gets paid. So we’re in limbo until a team satisfies both jk and our wants.

[vvoland]

How about Kuminga and Moody for Khris Middleton?

If the other option is a fork in the eyeball, that sounds preferable.

I'll take the fork

[AirP.]

Okay, I need somebody who understands the logistics of this better than me, because I see something really weird happening. Maybe I’m having a brain cramp on how things work, but something seems either really “off” about how this is all transpiring, or there’s a massively obvious signal being sent.

The mechanics of a sign-and-trade with an RFA under team X’s control are typically “the RFA finds a deal they would agree to with team Y, and then team Y negotiates with team X on a deal such that team X doesn’t match the offer.”

But the starting point is that the RFA has chosen a team to sign a contract with.

What we’re hearing here is that multiple teams are in-play and potentially making offers to the Warriors. And if that’s the case, does it basically mean that Kuminga is happy to sign with any of them? Even if the contract offers are different?

It seems to me that this is either (a) reporters / podcasters / media committing malpractice in how they’re depicting what’s happening (granted, they might be getting fed really bad information from agents or teams); (b) an indication that Kuminga is talking with all the reported teams and the offers must seem relatively the same; or (c) signaling that Kuminga just wants to get away from the Warriors so badly that he’ll take just about any reasonable offer, even if the offers aren’t close to equivalent.

Am I missing something here?

My guess is that the warriors offered something like 20 per year. Jk’s agent is looking for more and trying to find a team willing to pay more in the 25+ range. The problem is that we can still make 25 work so we want actual compensation. Jk doesn’t care where he’s playing as long as he gets featured and gets paid. So we’re in limbo until a team satisfies both jk and our wants.

I don't think it's just about his next (2nd) contract, he has to think about his 3rd contract and the rest of his career. If he doesn't get the money and role he wants, he's going to try to make his 2nd contract as short as possible so he can move on freely to a team that will give him the role to prove his worth. At this point I think it's safe to say if Kuminga resigns with GS on a short contract, he will be playing for HIS future, not for the team's current goals of trying to win a championship.

[Nvnervous45]

Kispert would not be great value for kuminga, but at least he fits our system. Kerr will not alter his system for a 22 year old kid....so

[AirP.]

Kispert would not be great value for kuminga, but at least he fits our system. Kerr will not alter his system for a 22 year old kid....so

You would if you thought you could win with him.

[EvanZ]

So in all likelihood everyone agrees Keon Ellis > JK

For this roster, next season, I'm not sold on that. Probably yes, but I think moody can do a lot of what keon can do while we can't really find someone like jk (big wing/slasher type) on our roster or in FA.

We need at least 2 of “what Moody can do” and 0 of what JK does because he isn’t good enough to do it.

[bay2hk]

Kispert would not be great value for kuminga, but at least he fits our system. Kerr will not alter his system for a 22 year old kid....so

You would if you thought you could win with him.

Not great value but if we can get our 2030 top 20 protected pick back and let’s say 4 SRPs then I think it’s worth it. Wizards have a ton of SRPs.

It’ll be give us flexibility to make an in season trade and offer up to 3 FRPs for a superstar.

[CS707]

Okay, I need somebody who understands the logistics of this better than me, because I see something really weird happening. Maybe I’m having a brain cramp on how things work, but something seems either really “off” about how this is all transpiring, or there’s a massively obvious signal being sent.

The mechanics of a sign-and-trade with an RFA under team X’s control are typically “the RFA finds a deal they would agree to with team Y, and then team Y negotiates with team X on a deal such that team X doesn’t match the offer.”

But the starting point is that the RFA has chosen a team to sign a contract with.

What we’re hearing here is that multiple teams are in-play and potentially making offers to the Warriors. And if that’s the case, does it basically mean that Kuminga is happy to sign with any of them? Even if the contract offers are different?

It seems to me that this is either (a) reporters / podcasters / media committing malpractice in how they’re depicting what’s happening (granted, they might be getting fed really bad information from agents or teams); (b) an indication that Kuminga is talking with all the reported teams and the offers must seem relatively the same; or (c) signaling that Kuminga just wants to get away from the Warriors so badly that he’ll take just about any reasonable offer, even if the offers aren’t close to equivalent.

Am I missing something here?

My guess is that the warriors offered something like 20 per year. Jk’s agent is looking for more and trying to find a team willing to pay more in the 25+ range. The problem is that we can still make 25 work so we want actual compensation. Jk doesn’t care where he’s playing as long as he gets featured and gets paid. So we’re in limbo until a team satisfies both jk and our wants.

I don't think it's just about his next (2nd) contract, he has to think about his 3rd contract and the rest of his career. If he doesn't get the money and role he wants, he's going to try to make his 2nd contract as short as possible so he can move on freely to a team that will give him the role to prove his worth. At this point I think it's safe to say if Kuminga resigns with GS on a short contract, he will be playing for HIS future, not for the team's current goals of trying to win a championship.

If he and his team aren’t looking at his lack of market and accepting some hard truths about what’s best for him long term, he’s never going to get it.

[ChuckDurn]

Kispert would not be great value for kuminga, but at least he fits our system. Kerr will not alter his system for a 22 year old kid....so

This assumes that part of our system is “play no defense whatsoever”……

Kispert might be a decent fit offensively, but is really bad on defense. Everybody tends to get sucked into somebody’s offensive game without realizing that as well as a guy may work in the offensive system, he’ll more than offset that defensively.

(Which is why a guy like Ellis is actually a much better fit, since he fits a need on both offense and defense.)

[vvoland]

So in all likelihood everyone agrees Keon Ellis > JK

For this roster, next season, I'm not sold on that. Probably yes, but I think moody can do a lot of what keon can do while we can't really find someone like jk (big wing/slasher type) on our roster or in FA.

We need at least 2 of “what Moody can do” and 0 of what JK does because he isn’t good enough to do it.

The lineup numbers seem to indicate he does really well with Steph and dray, better than anyone not named buddy, the last two seasons. I'm not to saying he's great but at 15-20/yr he does a lot of what we need and can start instead of dray or Jimmy, which probably means 20-30 starts, just there

[Old_Blue]

Kispert would not be great value for kuminga, but at least he fits our system. Kerr will not alter his system for a 22 year old kid....so

This assumes that part of our system is “play no defense whatsoever”……

Kispert might be a decent fit offensively, but is really bad on defense. Everybody tends to get sucked into somebody’s offensive game without realizing that as well as a guy may work in the offensive system, he’ll more than offset that defensively.

Bingo