More Free Agent Talk

[Coxy]

Rubio on the minimum would be fabulous, as long as he’s healthy enough.

[Mac1958]

I like Hartenstein. He appears to be at least somewhat slightly partially insane, and I like that in a backup C.

[Scoots1994]

I like Hartenstein. He appears to be at least somewhat slightly partially insane, and I like that in a backup C.

Would love to be able to get him.

[ILOVEIT]

Nice list this off season....
PJ Tucker, Batum, Rubio, Joe Ingles.

Brain fart on Horford...didn't know he was signed for another year. He'd be perfect on this Warriors team.

[killmongrel]

Nice list this off season....
PJ Tucker, Batum, Rubio, Joe Ingles.

Brain fart on Horford...didn't know he was signed for another year. He'd be perfect on this Warriors team.

I like Rubio and Ingles as the rehab projects. Both coming off injuries so it's possible to get them for cheap ala OPJ.

[The-Power]

So our roster as of now would be:

Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Dray, Poole – 5 key rotation players
Moody, Wiseman, Kuminga – 3 young players expected to be able to play consistent minutes (at least two of them)
Rollins, PBJ – 2 Rookies with zero expectations to contribute

That leaves 5 roster spots to fill with veterans. Ideally we want Looney, GPII and OPJ back (in that order). Those are all players that would be key rotation players for us. If we miss out on one or more of them, we will have to find a replacement vet that can play key minutes because we probably want at least 8 proven players in the rotation (i.e. we need 3 veterans in free agency).

That leaves two roster spots plus two two-ways. Not sure if we really want to use all 15 roster spots due to the tax implications but I do believe Bjelica and/or Lee (leaning Bjelica if all three above players are re-signed, so as to have that 3rd C) have a chance to be back if they want to just because we like to have some continuity with players who know the system and are also good for the team chemistry without any demands. I assume Iguodala retires or else he also fits this bill.

For one two-way spot we signed Quinones. Chiozza is out. Favorite for the second spot has to be Weatherspoon simply because he already has/had one occupied, but not sure he fills a positional need after we added two Guards with Quinones and Rollins. But since two-ways are almost never really needed to play unless it is because starters are rested or all hell broke loose with injuries or sickness, it probably doesn't matter much either way so we may as well just take whoever we would like to have around the team and see how he develops.

Ideally we end up with something like:

Curry / Klay / Wiggins / Dray / Looney*
Poole / GPII* / Moody / OPJ* / Wiseman
Rollins / Lee* / Kuminga / PBJ / Bjelica*
+ Quinones / Weatherspoon*

All players with an asterisk are not under contract and we should ideally have a roughly equally capable alternatives for them if needed (at least in terms of being able to play in the envisaged roles, i.e. a C that can start if needed and play 20 solid minutes, two key proven bench players, and two end-of-bench players – not necessarily in terms of overall quality). Kuminga on the ‘third’ team is just for symmetry – I'd see him as part of a key rotation of 11 players of which you can expect at least one or two players to be usually out due to rest or injury.

[donkeylips]

id look at trevion williams or orlando robinson for the second two way spot

[ivorytower]

I question what free agents would even be that interested in coming here. Bob and Steve can say what they want now but I think everyone knows that Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody are going to get real minutes next year. Assuming we re-sign 3 of Looney, GP2, OPJ, and Bjelica, the path to significant minutes or even a clear role isn't really there.

[Onus]

So our roster as of now would be:

Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Dray, Poole – 5 key rotation players
Moody, Wiseman, Kuminga – 3 young players expected to be able to play consistent minutes (at least two of them)
Rollins, PBJ – 2 Rookies with zero expectations to contribute

That leaves 5 roster spots to fill with veterans. Ideally we want Looney, GPII and OPJ back (in that order). Those are all players that would be key rotation players for us. If we miss out on one or more of them, we will have to find a replacement vet that can play key minutes because we probably want at least 8 proven players in the rotation (i.e. we need 3 veterans in free agency).

That leaves two roster spots plus two two-ways. Not sure if we really want to use all 15 roster spots due to the tax implications but I do believe Bjelica and/or Lee (leaning Bjelica if all three above players are re-signed, so as to have that 3rd C) have a chance to be back if they want to just because we like to have some continuity with players who know the system and are also good for the team chemistry without any demands. I assume Iguodala retires or else he also fits this bill.

For one two-way spot we signed Quinones. Chiozza is out. Favorite for the second spot has to be Weatherspoon simply because he already has/had one occupied, but not sure he fills a positional need after we added two Guards with Quinones and Rollins. But since two-ways are almost never really needed to play unless it is because starters are rested or all hell broke loose with injuries or sickness, it probably doesn't matter much either way so we may as well just take whoever we would like to have around the team and see how he develops.

Ideally we end up with something like:

Curry / Klay / Wiggins / Dray / Looney*
Poole / GPII* / Moody / OPJ* / Wiseman
Rollins / Lee* / Kuminga / PBJ / Bjelica*
+ Quinones / Weatherspoon*

All players with an asterisk are not under contract and we should ideally have a roughly equally capable alternatives for them if needed (at least in terms of being able to play in the envisaged roles, i.e. a C that can start if needed and play 20 solid minutes, two key proven bench players, and two end-of-bench players – not necessarily in terms of overall quality). Kuminga on the ‘third’ team is just for symmetry – I'd see him as part of a key rotation of 11 players of which you can expect at least one or two players to be usually out due to rest or injury.

I was looking through the FA crop and really who can we sign to replace GPII? The names I came up with were Josh Okogie, Scottie Lewis, Melvin Frazier, Avery Bradley, jevon carter or bruce brown. It's slim pickings out there. I think GP II is the one that would be harder to replace.

For Looney's replacement I see Biyombo and Thad Young. Also Wiseman is going to need playing time. Bjeli was a good break in case of emergency center.

I think having GPII, Wiggins, Draymond gives you 3 1st team all defense type players which they can all guard different types of players.

While chemistry and continuity is key, I do think we need a new vet who is hungry for a title. Draymond said he wins titles to see how people who haven't won before react, and i'm pretty sure that's not for rookies pbj and rollins reaction.

[DevinVassell]

id look at trevion williams or orlando robinson for the second two way spot

Trevion is already on Boston's summer league squad.

[Scoots1994]

No thanks to Biyombo. I'd like to add Thad and keep Looney though.

[Scoots1994]

id look at trevion williams or orlando robinson for the second two way spot

Trevion is already on Boston's summer league squad.

Okay. I looked earlier and didn't see him listed anywhere. What about Orlando Robinson?

[Scoots1994]

I question what free agents would even be that interested in coming here. Bob and Steve can say what they want now but I think everyone knows that Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody are going to get real minutes next year. Assuming we re-sign 3 of Looney, GP2, OPJ, and Bjelica, the path to significant minutes or even a clear role isn't really there.

To me it's more that I don't see that many free agents that would actually improve the team.

Hartenstein, Damian Jones, Taurean Prince might consider it to improve their stock.

[ivorytower]

I question what free agents would even be that interested in coming here. Bob and Steve can say what they want now but I think everyone knows that Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody are going to get real minutes next year. Assuming we re-sign 3 of Looney, GP2, OPJ, and Bjelica, the path to significant minutes or even a clear role isn't really there.

To me it's more that I don't see that many free agents that would actually improve the team.

Hartenstein, Damian Jones, Taurean Prince might consider it to improve their stock.

Questionable whether a center would have their stock improved here though. We're almost certainly bringing back Looney to be the starter, Draymond will play more 5 in the 4th or come playoffs, and Wiseman will definitely get mins considering he badly needs reps at this point.

Agree that due to the combination of the requirements of the system and their likely role, not many free agents would improve the team.

[SpreeChokeJob]

I question what free agents would even be that interested in coming here. Bob and Steve can say what they want now but I think everyone knows that Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody are going to get real minutes next year. Assuming we re-sign 3 of Looney, GP2, OPJ, and Bjelica, the path to significant minutes or even a clear role isn't really there.

To me it's more that I don't see that many free agents that would actually improve the team.

Hartenstein, Damian Jones, Taurean Prince might consider it to improve their stock.

Questionable whether a center would have their stock improved here though. We're almost certainly bringing back Looney to be the starter, Draymond will play more 5 in the 4th or come playoffs, and Wiseman will definitely get mins considering he badly needs reps at this point.

Agree that due to the combination of the requirements of the system and their likely role, not many free agents would improve the team.

Would get an old center like McGee or Lopez as 3rd string backup. They shouldn’t mind the reduced minutes. Wiseman hasn’t had a full year and won’t be ready by playoffs.

If Batum is available I would steal him if I could.

[TB]

So our roster as of now would be:

Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Dray, Poole – 5 key rotation players
Moody, Wiseman, Kuminga – 3 young players expected to be able to play consistent minutes (at least two of them)
Rollins, PBJ – 2 Rookies with zero expectations to contribute

That leaves 5 roster spots to fill with veterans. Ideally we want Looney, GPII and OPJ back (in that order). Those are all players that would be key rotation players for us. If we miss out on one or more of them, we will have to find a replacement vet that can play key minutes because we probably want at least 8 proven players in the rotation (i.e. we need 3 veterans in free agency).

That leaves two roster spots plus two two-ways. Not sure if we really want to use all 15 roster spots due to the tax implications but I do believe Bjelica and/or Lee (leaning Bjelica if all three above players are re-signed, so as to have that 3rd C) have a chance to be back if they want to just because we like to have some continuity with players who know the system and are also good for the team chemistry without any demands. I assume Iguodala retires or else he also fits this bill.

For one two-way spot we signed Quinones. Chiozza is out. Favorite for the second spot has to be Weatherspoon simply because he already has/had one occupied, but not sure he fills a positional need after we added two Guards with Quinones and Rollins. But since two-ways are almost never really needed to play unless it is because starters are rested or all hell broke loose with injuries or sickness, it probably doesn't matter much either way so we may as well just take whoever we would like to have around the team and see how he develops.

Ideally we end up with something like:

Curry / Klay / Wiggins / Dray / Looney*
Poole / GPII* / Moody / OPJ* / Wiseman
Rollins / Lee* / Kuminga / PBJ / Bjelica*
+ Quinones / Weatherspoon*

All players with an asterisk are not under contract and we should ideally have a roughly equally capable alternatives for them if needed (at least in terms of being able to play in the envisaged roles, i.e. a C that can start if needed and play 20 solid minutes, two key proven bench players, and two end-of-bench players – not necessarily in terms of overall quality). Kuminga on the ‘third’ team is just for symmetry – I'd see him as part of a key rotation of 11 players of which you can expect at least one or two players to be usually out due to rest or injury.

Really good summary of the situation. And when you add in the guys like Iggy, JTA, Jessup that aren't in that depth chart above, I think it becomes really clear that we will likely not see any shiny new pieces from the FA market. If anything, we are the opposite where we need to make tough decisions on who gets cut from our current pool of players.

I really think we are locks to re-sign Looney and GP2. Iggy probably has a spot if he wants to return. Personally I hope he moves to coaching or a venture capital firm simply because I don't trust his availability due to injuries. I also think we keep one of Otto/Beli to be a backup 4/5 so that we aren't purely relying on Kuminga/Wiseman there. They are sort of perfect because they need rest days anyways and their health issues not as big a problem if we have Kuminga/Wiseman also there.

So my prediction is:

Steph / Poole / Rollins
Klay / GP2 / Lee / Spoon (2way)
Wiggins / Moody / Jessup / Quinones (2way)
Dray / Kuminga / Baldwin
Loon / Otto or Beli / Wiseman

So that means the cut players are:
Iggy (replaced with Rollins)
JTA (replaced with Jessup)
Otto or Beli (replaced with Baldwin)
Chiozza (replaced with Quinones)

Now, I suppose if we did find a way to talk a really good 4/5 into coming here, that would be the new shiny toy that replaces the Otto/Beli spot. Also, if Spoon gets a roster deal with someone else, I think we find a Chiozza type on a 2way to be an emergency backup PG. Annnd there is a long shot lightyears move where we trade future picks for Micic rights and give him the TPMLE to be our backup guard alongside Poole.

And for those that think Jessup shouldn't jump ahead of some of these players, my reasoning is more based on principal. We drafted him with a plan in place to have him in Australia and then come over. I think our front office works a lot on loyalty and not screwing over players, and Jessup has done everything we'd hope for him to do in Australia. I think he has a spot locked in. Now, if we do end up saying no to jessup or he's in a trade, I think JTA just gets his spot rather than a different vet min (or Iggy if he wants to return).

[xdrta+]

I agree with a lot of the above, though I think it's certain they go with 14 spots. Wouldn't be surprised to see Lee go. Also think they'll move on from Weatherspoon and Jessup will get that two-way spot. If he shows enough he can always be converted to min contract.

[TB]

I agree with a lot of the above, though I think it's certain they go with 14 spots. Wouldn't be surprised to see Lee go. Also think they'll move on from Weatherspoon and Jessup will get that two-way spot. If he shows enough he can always be converted to min contract.

Ya I definitely think they want to go with 14 spots, I just don't think they can considering all the players they likely want on their roster.

Also, agreed on Jessup that the 2way spot instead of Spoon makes the most sense, I just don't think he makes it through waivers, thus needing a roster spot. I may have the contract situation incorrect though, but at least last year it had to be a 15 man roster spot or other teams could offer him one.

[The-Power]

So my prediction is:

Steph / Poole / Rollins
Klay / GP2 / Lee / Spoon (2way)
Wiggins / Moody / Jessup / Quinones (2way)
Dray / Kuminga / Baldwin
Loon / Otto or Beli / Wiseman

So that means the cut players are:
Iggy (replaced with Rollins)
JTA (replaced with Jessup)
Otto or Beli (replaced with Baldwin)
Chiozza (replaced with Quinones)

Good thoughts overall, but I just can't imagine that they are willing to let two and a half veterans (Iguodala, OPJ/Bjelica and JTA) go and replace them with three players who have never played an NBA game (Rollins, PBJ, Jessup). That's too risky and, quite frankly, somewhat unnecessary considering that I do believe at least one useful vet is going to be willing to play for us on a vet min contract.

Myers also hinted at trying to once again find vets in free agency that can contribute. Sure, if all but one of our vets return then perhaps nothing happens (though I'm still sure they'd jump at the opportunity to get a proven vet on such a deal) but I'd be really surprised if they add Jessup to this roster if – as it seems like – they also bring in Rollins and PBJ (none of which can be relied on at all).

But I was also wrong on them not using all of their picks over the last two years and obviously they did. So I won't pretend to know better, it just feels suboptimal considering we want to build a contender; and obviously this only gets augmented if we only take a roster of 14 into the season. Also, are there any reports that the Warriors FO actually likes Jessup and considers bringing him over?

[xdrta+]

I agree with a lot of the above, though I think it's certain they go with 14 spots. Wouldn't be surprised to see Lee go. Also think they'll move on from Weatherspoon and Jessup will get that two-way spot. If he shows enough he can always be converted to min contract.

Ya I definitely think they want to go with 14 spots, I just don't think they can considering all the players they likely want on their roster.

Also, agreed on Jessup that the 2way spot instead of Spoon makes the most sense, I just don't think he makes it through waivers, thus needing a roster spot. I may have the contract situation incorrect though, but at least last year it had to be a 15 man roster spot or other teams could offer him one.

It's true they couldn't offer him a 2-way last year, but that was because he was under contract to an international team. The CBA specifies that if a team buys out an international contract it has to be for a roster spot, not a 2-way. Now that he's clear of that contract he can sign a 2-way.

Now, if Jessup doesn't want to sign a 2-way, he'd have to sit out a year, since the Warriors have his draft rights until the next draft. (Unless he signs another international contract, then the clock stops. The Warriors would have his draft rights for a year after that new international contract ends.)