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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#741 » by jozef » Tue Dec 5, 2023 1:02 pm

GunnerWRX wrote:We talking about defense like Klay has been good offensively and without mind boggling TOs dribbling off his foot and dribbling into defenders then handing the ball over 2-3 times a game.
He needs to go to a basketball game to improve on his dribbling, but it’s 20 years too late.
So he should stick to what he does best nowadays and stop dribbling.

He is OK. I see that missing inside scoring from center position as a root of his slightly worse 3P% (still at league average).
It is hard to play as outside shooter if you almost completely miss a confidence in your teammate who should be playing off you and scoring inside. Look at these plays from 1st Q of the game vs Denver:

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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#742 » by Jester_ » Tue Dec 5, 2023 1:24 pm

jozef wrote:
GunnerWRX wrote:We talking about defense like Klay has been good offensively and without mind boggling TOs dribbling off his foot and dribbling into defenders then handing the ball over 2-3 times a game.
He needs to go to a basketball game to improve on his dribbling, but it’s 20 years too late.
So he should stick to what he does best nowadays and stop dribbling.

He is OK. I see that missing inside scoring from center position as a root of his slightly worse 3P% (still at league average).
It is hard to play as outside shooter if you almost completely miss a confidence in your teammate who should be playing off you and scoring inside. Look at these plays from 1st Q of the game vs Denver:



I'm probably feeding the troll here but you want to explain based on your current logic how the Warriors had GOAT shooters for years despite no "inside scoring from center position"?
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#743 » by jozef » Tue Dec 5, 2023 1:44 pm

Troll?! Me or you? Can you see it in these plays how little inside threat current GSW center position is?
Bogut had not to score but just that capability of throwing down a lob pass kept the opponents on the heels. David Lee was a threat. Of course HOF Durant made it easy. At age of 33 and 35 they are experiencing weakest inside help of their careers.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#744 » by Crazy-Canuck » Tue Dec 5, 2023 1:55 pm

You must have missed the 2022 season.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#745 » by Jester_ » Tue Dec 5, 2023 3:10 pm

jozef wrote:Troll?! Me or you? Can you see it in these plays how little inside threat current GSW center position is?
Bogut had not to score but just that capability of throwing down a lob pass kept the opponents on the heels. David Lee was a threat. Of course HOF Durant made it easy. At age of 33 and 35 they are experiencing weakest inside help of their careers.



2015? 2016? 2022?

Bogut?! Bogut is the inside threat lol

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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#746 » by CDM_Stats » Tue Dec 5, 2023 4:54 pm

David Lee, lob threat is a hell of a historical revision
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#747 » by Warriors Analyst » Tue Dec 5, 2023 5:20 pm

I don't think I've ever seen a poster bend stats to their will with so little idea of what they mean.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#748 » by jozef » Tue Dec 5, 2023 5:59 pm

Jester_ wrote:Bogut?! Bogut is the inside threat lol
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How long does it take to see a lob threat or dunk threat?
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#749 » by jozef » Tue Dec 5, 2023 6:11 pm

CDM_Stats wrote:David Lee, lob threat is a hell of a historical revision

It is a revision to call him a lob threat cause I did not write that one. I called him an inside threat. For 19 points per game at .51 FG%(no 3pt attempts) he deserves it.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#750 » by Jester_ » Wed Dec 6, 2023 4:28 am

jozef wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:David Lee, lob threat is a hell of a historical revision

It is a revision to call him a lob threat cause I did not write that one. I called him an inside threat. For 19 points per game at .51 FG%(no 3pt attempts) he deserves it.


Seriously are you a new fan or something? Why are you posting so confidently while so hopelessly wrong?

Lee wasn't even playing for us when we started winning titles. I suggest you pipe down and watch some games before posting nonsense.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#751 » by xdrta+ » Wed Dec 6, 2023 5:15 am

Jester_ wrote:
Lee wasn't even playing for us when we started winning titles. I suggest you pipe down and watch some games before posting nonsense.


Lee wasn't on the 2015 title team? If I'm not mistaken, he was the highest paid player on the team.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#752 » by Jester_ » Wed Dec 6, 2023 5:35 am

xdrta+ wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
Lee wasn't even playing for us when we started winning titles. I suggest you pipe down and watch some games before posting nonsense.


Lee wasn't on the 2015 title team? If I'm not mistaken, he was the highest paid player on the team.


He was on the roster just barely played
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#753 » by jozef » Wed Dec 6, 2023 7:16 am

Jester_ wrote:Seriously are you a new fan or something? Why are you posting so confidently while so hopelessly wrong?
Lee wasn't even playing for us when we started winning titles. I suggest you pipe down and watch some games before posting nonsense.

Seriously where I stated that Lee won TITLES???
I wrote that Steph and Klay never had such a weak inside support in their CAREERS.
And their CAREER did not start with TITLE. Are you a new fan?
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#754 » by Jester_ » Wed Dec 6, 2023 7:30 am

jozef wrote:
Jester_ wrote:Seriously are you a new fan or something? Why are you posting so confidently while so hopelessly wrong?
Lee wasn't even playing for us when we started winning titles. I suggest you pipe down and watch some games before posting nonsense.

Seriously where I stated that Lee won TITLES???
I wrote that Steph and Klay never had such a weak inside support in their CAREERS.
And their CAREER did not start with TITLE. Are you a new fan?


Just admit you didn't know and sit down lol.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#755 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Dec 6, 2023 7:56 am

jozef wrote:
Jester_ wrote:Seriously are you a new fan or something? Why are you posting so confidently while so hopelessly wrong?
Lee wasn't even playing for us when we started winning titles. I suggest you pipe down and watch some games before posting nonsense.

Seriously where I stated that Lee won TITLES???
I wrote that Steph and Klay never had such a weak inside support in their CAREERS.
And their CAREER did not start with TITLE. Are you a new fan?


They won the title 2 years ago with Looney as their starting C. He was awesome during the playoffs, btw.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#756 » by jozef » Wed Dec 6, 2023 9:11 am

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jozef wrote:
Jester_ wrote:Seriously are you a new fan or something? Why are you posting so confidently while so hopelessly wrong?
Lee wasn't even playing for us when we started winning titles. I suggest you pipe down and watch some games before posting nonsense.

Seriously where I stated that Lee won TITLES???
I wrote that Steph and Klay never had such a weak inside support in their CAREERS.
And their CAREER did not start with TITLE. Are you a new fan?

Just admit you didn't know and sit down lol.

What have I to admit? You're the one who did wrong.
I wrote "David Lee was a threat." and "I called him an inside threat. For 19 points per game at .51 FG%(no 3pt attempts) he deserves it."
You keep misqouting my words and instead of apologizing you accused me of wrongdoing :)

But nobody have balls to discuss anything in that video... cause you would get embarrased. Bottom line.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#757 » by jozef » Wed Dec 6, 2023 9:52 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:They won the title 2 years ago with Looney as their starting C. He was awesome during the playoffs, btw.

1st round 4-1 DEN (Jokic without Murray and Porter Jr.) Looney started first 4 games averaging 11 mins, off bench last game 21 mins, +/- total of -6
2nd round 4-2 MEM (Morant missing last 3 games) Looney coming off bench first 5 games averaging 15 mins, starting last game 35 mins, +/- total of 0
WCF 4-1 DAL Looney starting all games averaging 28 minutes, +/- total of +20
Finals 4-2 BOS Looney started first 3 games averaging 21 mins, coming off bench last 3 games averaging 22 mins, +/- total of +48

He scored in double digits 4 times : 10, 21, 10 versus Dallas and 12 versus Boston. And that's it: he can only score against small team Dallas. His 12 points versus Boston was part of biggest Finals victory (19 points in game 2).

Anytime GSW get a bit of production off center position - they are in position to win the game cause the structure of Kerr's offense is above any other offense in the NBA. And of course Big Three are cornerstones for it. But Steph can train with all these superb methods, whole franchise can give full effort, it will still not be enough if he gets double-teamed and has no option to find a capable inside scorer.
I like Kevon, he is smart guy and probably over-achiever, but his physical limitations (maybe hips or something) makes him suitable only for backup role. If somebody (unbiased one) looked at these plays I posted on Youtube, he would see a player who is closer to retirement than to starting job. For sake, it is the NBA, the highest athletic level.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#758 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Dec 6, 2023 1:54 pm

According to the Plus 82 guys:

Steph isn't getting taken out.
Loon is fine with not starting and closing.
Wiggins is fine with not starting and closing.
Dray is fine also, but they better win if he does.
Klay won't consider either.
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#759 » by Onus » Wed Dec 6, 2023 4:56 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:According to the Plus 82 guys:

Steph isn't getting taken out.
Loon is fine with not starting and closing.
Wiggins is fine with not starting and closing.
Dray is fine also, but they better win if he does.
Klay won't consider either.

That's not "coaching" if you're just doing whatever the players want ...
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Re: is Klay done? 

Post#760 » by Jester_ » Thu Dec 7, 2023 3:35 am

jozef wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
jozef wrote:Seriously where I stated that Lee won TITLES???
I wrote that Steph and Klay never had such a weak inside support in their CAREERS.
And their CAREER did not start with TITLE. Are you a new fan?

Just admit you didn't know and sit down lol.

What have I to admit? You're the one who did wrong.
I wrote "David Lee was a threat." and "I called him an inside threat. For 19 points per game at .51 FG%(no 3pt attempts) he deserves it."
You keep misqouting my words and instead of apologizing you accused me of wrongdoing :)

But nobody have balls to discuss anything in that video... cause you would get embarrased. Bottom line.


Nobody's interested in your stupid videos lil man. Nobody here is going to take someone seriously who wants us to get David Lee lol.

Utterly braindead :crazy:

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