Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Onus]

we should ask the bulls see if they want to flip Powell for Kuminga

Why would the heat do that? Why would we? We would just delay signing Powell until next year and we basically go through the same thing we're going through with JK. Powell is looking for a 30+M a year contract.

well like you said you kick the can down the road. complete for one year and see what is happening.

I'd rather have devin carter

[Onus]

we should ask the bulls see if they want to flip Powell for Kuminga

Why would the heat do that? Why would we? We would just delay signing Powell until next year and we basically go through the same thing we're going through with JK. Powell is looking for a 30+M a year contract.

Powell is another guy who's going to get a rude awakening next off season. But I'd still pay him 30M than Herro 50M.

I wouldn't want to pay either.

It's kind of funny that Kerr has been complaining about defenses not having enough tools to play defense and now defenses have made non elite offensive players worthless.

[EvanZ]

I saw that Darius Bazley is trying to make it with the Lakers in SL after being out of the NBA last season. Thunder fans overrated this dude who got a ton of minutes for the Tank Thunders a few years back. The fans so much wanted this dude to be a dude, and he just wasn't. I'm honestly not sure Kuminga is much better.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Powell to the Heat, now eliminates another team who had interest in kuminga. Powell was gotten for a 2nd.

It's kings or staying. No other team has interest in kuminga.

[vvoland]

I saw that Darius Bazley is trying to make it with the Lakers in SL after being out of the NBA last season. Thunder fans overrated this dude who got a ton of minutes for the Tank Thunders a few years back. The fans so much wanted this dude to be a dude, and he just wasn't. I'm honestly not sure Kuminga is much better.

Stop it. I understand most of this board doesn't value scoring, but that's an outlandish comp. JK has played well with dray/steph, was the 2nd leading scorer for a playoff team, and isn't gong to be out of the league after his rookie contract. Come on, the hate is getting ridiculous. This board went from, 'we shouldn't pay JK more than 30M' to 'trade him for devin carter' and 'not sure jk is better than bazeley.'

Not that many players, at JK's age, can score as well, and get to the line as frequently, as he does. Sure, most of the board doesn't rate that. I am confused as to why, considering how we couldn't score last season, for loooong stretches, and that was our downfall, in the end. But sure, let's say scoring isn't valuable in a sport where 100+ is the expected score. Even then, this is where the discourse is now? He's not an nba player?

[vvoland]

Why would the heat do that? Why would we? We would just delay signing Powell until next year and we basically go through the same thing we're going through with JK. Powell is looking for a 30+M a year contract.

well like you said you kick the can down the road. complete for one year and see what is happening.

I'd rather have devin carter

You'd rather get a 23 year old, undersized pg, with an unreliable jumper, and health concerns? I'd rather take my chances with richard or cryer.

[bay2hk]

Powell to the Heat, now eliminates another team who had interest in kuminga. Powell was gotten for a 2nd.

It's kings or staying. No other team has interest in kuminga.

At this rate we are going to get JK on the cheap. Might even be able to do a 3 years for $45m. JK’s stock is dropping like a rock.

[Onus]

well like you said you kick the can down the road. complete for one year and see what is happening.

I'd rather have devin carter

You'd rather get a 23 year old, undersized pg, with an unreliable jumper, and health concerns? I'd rather take my chances with richard or cryer.

I'm higher on Carter than most for sure, but we've seen how high of an impact GP2 has on our team and Carter will be a good to elite defender both on and off ball, rebounds the ball really well, and is a top tier athlete. Anything he can give us offensively will be a bonus, but he'll be able to play a role on our team, a role that we've seen have a ton of impact for us over a 32 year old one dimensional undersized scorer who struggles to score in playoff situations and is looking for a huge payday? Yea give me Carter over Powell.

Richard projects to be jag. He's a decent defender, decent shooter that doesn't do much else. Like whatever, if he was a better shooter or a more impactful defender I'd be higher on him but he doesn't really do anything at a high level. He's not going to be elite poa defender, or screen navigator his hips are stiff and doesn't really have the quickest feet, he gets easily lost on defense off the ball because he's ball watching. He probably doesn't see much if any time on the team this year as long as Moses is still on the team.

Cryer is an undersized sg who tries on defense. I like him and think he can find a role on the team as a gunner that can get some shots up. But give me the guy who can be an elite defender who is an excellent athlete. Maybe Carter's offense never translates but we've seen what an elite defender can do in our system that can't really shoot (GP2).

We just saw mobility and speed on defense win a championship with a rather poor offensive output.

[EvanZ]

I saw that Darius Bazley is trying to make it with the Lakers in SL after being out of the NBA last season. Thunder fans overrated this dude who got a ton of minutes for the Tank Thunders a few years back. The fans so much wanted this dude to be a dude, and he just wasn't. I'm honestly not sure Kuminga is much better.

Stop it. I understand most of this board doesn't value scoring, but that's an outlandish comp. JK has played well with dray/steph, was the 2nd leading scorer for a playoff team, and isn't gong to be out of the league after his rookie contract. Come on, the hate is getting ridiculous. This board went from, 'we shouldn't pay JK more than 30M' to 'trade him for devin carter' and 'not sure jk is better than bazeley.'

Not that many players, at JK's age, can score as well, and get to the line as frequently, as he does. Sure, most of the board doesn't rate that. I am confused as to why, considering how we couldn't score last season, for loooong stretches, and that was our downfall, in the end. But sure, let's say scoring isn't valuable in a sport where 100+ is the expected score. Even then, this is where the discourse is now? He's not an nba player?

I think the fact that the market is so low on JK tells us it's not such an outlandish comp. The evidence is that we were offered Devin Carter. I know it's hard for some people to understand it, but reality sometimes is just not what we think it is.

[Old_Blue]

I'm higher on Carter than most for sure, but we've seen how high of an impact GP2 has on our team and Carter will be a good to elite defender both on and off ball, rebounds the ball really well, and is a top tier athlete. Anything he can give us offensively will be a bonus, but he'll be able to play a role on our team, a role that we've seen have a ton of impact for us over a 32 year old one dimensional undersized scorer who struggles to score in playoff situations and is looking for a huge payday? Yea give me Carter over Powell.

Yeah. And, while we're at it, let's retain GP2 and go full midget ball with a starting five of Steph, Hield, Podz, GP2 and Carter. This team is vertically challenged as it is. Why in the name of God would it want to get shorter?

[vvoland]

I saw that Darius Bazley is trying to make it with the Lakers in SL after being out of the NBA last season. Thunder fans overrated this dude who got a ton of minutes for the Tank Thunders a few years back. The fans so much wanted this dude to be a dude, and he just wasn't. I'm honestly not sure Kuminga is much better.

Stop it. I understand most of this board doesn't value scoring, but that's an outlandish comp. JK has played well with dray/steph, was the 2nd leading scorer for a playoff team, and isn't gong to be out of the league after his rookie contract. Come on, the hate is getting ridiculous. This board went from, 'we shouldn't pay JK more than 30M' to 'trade him for devin carter' and 'not sure jk is better than bazeley.'

Not that many players, at JK's age, can score as well, and get to the line as frequently, as he does. Sure, most of the board doesn't rate that. I am confused as to why, considering how we couldn't score last season, for loooong stretches, and that was our downfall, in the end. But sure, let's say scoring isn't valuable in a sport where 100+ is the expected score. Even then, this is where the discourse is now? He's not an nba player?

I think the fact that the market is so low on JK tells us it's not such an outlandish comp. The evidence is that we were offered Devin Carter. I know it's hard for some people to understand it, but reality sometimes is just not what we think it is.

I'd agree with you except no RFA has gotten a bag, yet. Maybe the market really is low on JK, giddey, grimes, etc. Maybe they're all terrible players that will end up like darius bazeley. Perhaps it's just market dynamics that most people saw coming last summer.

The devin carter offer is the only on we heard about, I doubt it's the only one we received.

I understand that as the only JK defender on this board, I must give off the feeling that I have a high degree of confidence that JK will realize his significant potential. While I do think the ceiling for him is quite high, I also think he has real bust potential, on his next deal. Not, "playing in China" level of a bust, but the maggette comp is a realistic scenario. That said, at 15-20/yr, even that, relatively speaking, worst case scenario, doesn't make that contract hard to trade. A forward version of Malik Monk, 23 y.o., and on a deal just above the midlevel? He'd have to do something drastic for that contract to be a real negative. Now, 25-30, like we all though last summer was the floor, would be far riskier.

There is a high variance of outcomes for JK in the next few seasons. I concede that there are a number of scenarios where he is not a positive player. It does seem like a number of posters, you, most of all, don't even entertain the idea that JK can actually succeed. By which, I mean, maintain over a full season the things he's done for long stretches.

[EvanZ]

Stop it. I understand most of this board doesn't value scoring, but that's an outlandish comp. JK has played well with dray/steph, was the 2nd leading scorer for a playoff team, and isn't gong to be out of the league after his rookie contract. Come on, the hate is getting ridiculous. This board went from, 'we shouldn't pay JK more than 30M' to 'trade him for devin carter' and 'not sure jk is better than bazeley.'

Not that many players, at JK's age, can score as well, and get to the line as frequently, as he does. Sure, most of the board doesn't rate that. I am confused as to why, considering how we couldn't score last season, for loooong stretches, and that was our downfall, in the end. But sure, let's say scoring isn't valuable in a sport where 100+ is the expected score. Even then, this is where the discourse is now? He's not an nba player?

I think the fact that the market is so low on JK tells us it's not such an outlandish comp. The evidence is that we were offered Devin Carter. I know it's hard for some people to understand it, but reality sometimes is just not what we think it is.

I'd agree with you except no RFA has gotten a bag, yet. Maybe the market really is low on JK, giddey, grimes, etc. Maybe they're all terrible players that will end up like darius bazeley. Perhaps it's just market dynamics that most people saw coming last summer.

The devin carter offer is the only on we heard about, I doubt it's the only one we received.

I understand that as the only JK defender on this board, I must give off the feeling that I have a high degree of confidence that JK will realize his significant potential. While I do think the ceiling for him is quite high, I also think he has real bust potential, on his next deal. Not, "playing in China" level of a bust, but the maggette comp is a realistic scenario. That said, at 15-20/yr, even that, relatively speaking, worst case scenario, doesn't make that contract hard to trade. A forward version of Malik Monk, 23 y.o., and on a deal just above the midlevel? He'd have to do something drastic for that contract to be a real negative. Now, 25-30, like we all though last summer was the floor, would be far riskier.

There is a high variance of outcomes for JK in the next few seasons. I concede that there are a number of scenarios where he is not a positive player. It does seem like a number of posters, you, most of all, don't even entertain the idea that JK can actually succeed. By which, I mean, maintain over a full season the things he's done for long stretches.

I mean he could succeed in a role that he has shown no inclination whatsoever to entertain. Roll the Einstein quote about the definition of insanity.

[vvoland]

I'd rather have devin carter

You'd rather get a 23 year old, undersized pg, with an unreliable jumper, and health concerns? I'd rather take my chances with richard or cryer.

I'm higher on Carter than most for sure, but we've seen how high of an impact GP2 has on our team and Carter will be a good to elite defender both on and off ball, rebounds the ball really well, and is a top tier athlete. Anything he can give us offensively will be a bonus, but he'll be able to play a role on our team, a role that we've seen have a ton of impact for us over a 32 year old one dimensional undersized scorer who struggles to score in playoff situations and is looking for a huge payday? Yea give me Carter over Powell.

Richard projects to be jag. He's a decent defender, decent shooter that doesn't do much else. Like whatever, if he was a better shooter or a more impactful defender I'd be higher on him but he doesn't really do anything at a high level. He's not going to be elite poa defender, or screen navigator his hips are stiff and doesn't really have the quickest feet, he gets easily lost on defense off the ball because he's ball watching. He probably doesn't see much if any time on the team this year as long as Moses is still on the team.

Cryer is an undersized sg who tries on defense. I like him and think he can find a role on the team as a gunner that can get some shots up. But give me the guy who can be an elite defender who is an excellent athlete. Maybe Carter's offense never translates but we've seen what an elite defender can do in our system that can't really shoot (GP2).

We just saw mobility and speed on defense win a championship with a rather poor offensive output.

Not sure how good of an athlete we're talking about when he's 6'2. 6'9 wingspan is nice, but 6'2 and 190 makes me think he'll only be able to defend guards. The shooting might mean he'll never get on the court. Not sure how he'll actually contribute in the next 2 seasons.

Powell, on the other hand, could give us the scoring and ball-handling, we were missing for so much of last season, even after Jimmy. Not saying I would move for Powell, but between Carter and Powell, it's pretty clear who would actually help us win games.

I'm not even sure we have even a 2 year window, probably just next season. The main reason I would want to move JK is IF we can get someone that can help us win MORE than JK can. I don't know why so few people value lineup data and net rating over the advanced stats, but I don't know if we can trade JK for someone that can play AS WELL with Steph and Dray as he did.

I can entertain the idea that Ellis and a full NTMLE could add 1-3 players that, in total, would contribute more to winning than JK would. Most of the other moves I've heard, including the carter one, would be considerable steps back, this season, with a lot of hope that, down the line, someone pops.

[Onus]

I'm higher on Carter than most for sure, but we've seen how high of an impact GP2 has on our team and Carter will be a good to elite defender both on and off ball, rebounds the ball really well, and is a top tier athlete. Anything he can give us offensively will be a bonus, but he'll be able to play a role on our team, a role that we've seen have a ton of impact for us over a 32 year old one dimensional undersized scorer who struggles to score in playoff situations and is looking for a huge payday? Yea give me Carter over Powell.

Yeah. And, while we're at it, let's retain GP2 and go full midget ball with a starting five of Steph, Hield, Podz, GP2 and Carter. This team is vertically challenged as it is. Why in the name of God would it want to get shorter?

The people that are severely undersized is really only dray and jimmy. So if you want to be bigger you're going to have to replace them.

[vvoland]

I think the fact that the market is so low on JK tells us it's not such an outlandish comp. The evidence is that we were offered Devin Carter. I know it's hard for some people to understand it, but reality sometimes is just not what we think it is.

I'd agree with you except no RFA has gotten a bag, yet. Maybe the market really is low on JK, giddey, grimes, etc. Maybe they're all terrible players that will end up like darius bazeley. Perhaps it's just market dynamics that most people saw coming last summer.

The devin carter offer is the only on we heard about, I doubt it's the only one we received.

I understand that as the only JK defender on this board, I must give off the feeling that I have a high degree of confidence that JK will realize his significant potential. While I do think the ceiling for him is quite high, I also think he has real bust potential, on his next deal. Not, "playing in China" level of a bust, but the maggette comp is a realistic scenario. That said, at 15-20/yr, even that, relatively speaking, worst case scenario, doesn't make that contract hard to trade. A forward version of Malik Monk, 23 y.o., and on a deal just above the midlevel? He'd have to do something drastic for that contract to be a real negative. Now, 25-30, like we all though last summer was the floor, would be far riskier.

There is a high variance of outcomes for JK in the next few seasons. I concede that there are a number of scenarios where he is not a positive player. It does seem like a number of posters, you, most of all, don't even entertain the idea that JK can actually succeed. By which, I mean, maintain over a full season the things he's done for long stretches.

I mean he could succeed in a role that he has shown no inclination whatsoever to entertain. Roll the Einstein quote about the definition of insanity.

He was the team's 2nd best player with the Steph/Dray duo, behind Buddy, the last 2 seasons. He excelled in Wigs's role when he was out and we were making a real push for the playoffs. He was playing the GP2 role pretty well before getting hurt. He led the 2nd unit in scoring when we had no one to put the ball in the hoop in 23-24. He was our best scorer once steph got hurt AND was our best on-ball defender against Ant AND Randle. He was OK as a starting 4, enough so, that Dray 'volunteered to go to the bench." Kerr's used him as a POA on players like Ant, Luka, Tatum, Ball and others. He's been up and down defensively, and while he does really struggle off-ball, helped us win games with his on-ball defense on the players I just listed.

Which of those many roles did you have in mind when you said "a role that he has shown no inclination whatsoever to entertain?"

From everything I've read, his frustration isn't with the lack of shots, money, fame, recognition, etc. It's minutes. He just wants to play. It was pretty clear, to me, that he wasn't sure what he needed to do to earn those minutes. I've never said he should be given any minutes outside the one season he was losing time to anthony lamb. I just think he's done enough to make it worthwhile to paly him through his mistakes. Kinda like we do Podz. Feel the same about Moody, btw, but I have a feeling you and I agree on that more than we don't.

[HiRez]

I'm higher on Carter than most for sure, but we've seen how high of an impact GP2 has on our team and Carter will be a good to elite defender both on and off ball, rebounds the ball really well, and is a top tier athlete. Anything he can give us offensively will be a bonus, but he'll be able to play a role on our team, a role that we've seen have a ton of impact for us over a 32 year old one dimensional undersized scorer who struggles to score in playoff situations and is looking for a huge payday? Yea give me Carter over Powell.

Yeah. And, while we're at it, let's retain GP2 and go full midget ball with a starting five of Steph, Hield, Podz, GP2 and Carter. This team is vertically challenged as it is. Why in the name of God would it want to get shorter?

Because Kerr. That's why we're "full midget ball" in the first place. That's why GP2 is often our PF. That's why Podz is playing 39 minutes in a playoff game where he scores 5 points. That's why the Warriors don't pursue bigs over 6'9". Kerr's system has some great attributes to it, but he always has and always will favor undersized guys. Sometimes you get skills in the same package as size like Klay (although it was West who insisted on drafting and keeping him), but often there's a choice to be made and we know where Kerr comes down on it.

This is why I'm pissed they aren't using their draft picks to acquire guys like Reid, Giddey, Avdija, Murphy, White, and Duren (or many others). Maybe they aren't freakishly large like a LeBron or a Gobert, but they have legit size to deal with the other big guards, wings, and forwards in the league, while being skilled at the same time.

Why are we saving these picks? We're terrible drafting near the top anyway. Plus I don't see Lacob allowing the team to tank out for multiple years to get all the ping pong balls anyway. Why not use them to acquire some really good, young players right now who can help Steph win, in Kerr's system, AND be part of a rebuild? Even if they wanted to change it up when Steph retires, those players will be tradable for other players, and/or for more good-quality picks.

ps — It's going to be absolutely comical watching this Warriors team going up against the Clippers with a front line of Kawhi, Zubac, Collins, and Lopez...not to mention the 7-foot Niederhauser.

[Onus]

You'd rather get a 23 year old, undersized pg, with an unreliable jumper, and health concerns? I'd rather take my chances with richard or cryer.

I'm higher on Carter than most for sure, but we've seen how high of an impact GP2 has on our team and Carter will be a good to elite defender both on and off ball, rebounds the ball really well, and is a top tier athlete. Anything he can give us offensively will be a bonus, but he'll be able to play a role on our team, a role that we've seen have a ton of impact for us over a 32 year old one dimensional undersized scorer who struggles to score in playoff situations and is looking for a huge payday? Yea give me Carter over Powell.

Richard projects to be jag. He's a decent defender, decent shooter that doesn't do much else. Like whatever, if he was a better shooter or a more impactful defender I'd be higher on him but he doesn't really do anything at a high level. He's not going to be elite poa defender, or screen navigator his hips are stiff and doesn't really have the quickest feet, he gets easily lost on defense off the ball because he's ball watching. He probably doesn't see much if any time on the team this year as long as Moses is still on the team.

Cryer is an undersized sg who tries on defense. I like him and think he can find a role on the team as a gunner that can get some shots up. But give me the guy who can be an elite defender who is an excellent athlete. Maybe Carter's offense never translates but we've seen what an elite defender can do in our system that can't really shoot (GP2).

We just saw mobility and speed on defense win a championship with a rather poor offensive output.

Not sure how good of an athlete we're talking about when he's 6'2. 6'9 wingspan is nice, but 6'2 and 190 makes me think he'll only be able to defend guards. The shooting might mean he'll never get on the court. Not sure how he'll actually contribute in the next 2 seasons.

Powell, on the other hand, could give us the scoring and ball-handling, we were missing for so much of last season, even after Jimmy. Not saying I would move for Powell, but between Carter and Powell, it's pretty clear who would actually help us win games.

I'm not even sure we have even a 2 year window, probably just next season. The main reason I would want to move JK is IF we can get someone that can help us win MORE than JK can. I don't know why so few people value lineup data and net rating over the advanced stats, but I don't know if we can trade JK for someone that can play AS WELL with Steph and Dray as he did.

I can entertain the idea that Ellis and a full NTMLE could add 1-3 players that, in total, would contribute more to winning than JK would. Most of the other moves I've heard, including the carter one, would be considerable steps back, this season, with a lot of hope that, down the line, someone pops.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1crdpu4/wasserman_devin_carter_also_just_set_an_nba/

Set a combine record for 3/4 sprint with a 42" vert

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/2024-nba-draft-devin-carter-and-enrique-freeman-shine-at-nba-combine-01hy4ej1vctn

Carter broke an NBA Combine record in the three quarter sprint as he ran a 2.87. He also was first in the max vertical leap and standing vertical leap. In the lane agility he placed third and in the shuttle run he placed top ten. Carter proved that he’s one of the most athletic players in the draft while having a very productive season for Providence. He likely secured his position as a lottery pick in this year’s draft.

Realistically we have a 1 year window, which is why I'd trade our 26 1st and hell maybe even our 28 1st just to make sure we make the deal happen for Ellis and Herb Jones to be included. Double down on defense like the Thunder did. Moody/JK/TJD + 2 1sts for Ellis/Jones/Carter/Cardwell. All excellent defenders with all defense potential. Just try to turn the other team over by blitzing the other team. Let Curry and JB carry the offense

Curry/Podz
Ellis/Melton/Carter/Richard
JB/Herb
Dray/Gui/Toohey
Horford/Post/Cardwell

[vvoland]

I'm higher on Carter than most for sure, but we've seen how high of an impact GP2 has on our team and Carter will be a good to elite defender both on and off ball, rebounds the ball really well, and is a top tier athlete. Anything he can give us offensively will be a bonus, but he'll be able to play a role on our team, a role that we've seen have a ton of impact for us over a 32 year old one dimensional undersized scorer who struggles to score in playoff situations and is looking for a huge payday? Yea give me Carter over Powell.

Richard projects to be jag. He's a decent defender, decent shooter that doesn't do much else. Like whatever, if he was a better shooter or a more impactful defender I'd be higher on him but he doesn't really do anything at a high level. He's not going to be elite poa defender, or screen navigator his hips are stiff and doesn't really have the quickest feet, he gets easily lost on defense off the ball because he's ball watching. He probably doesn't see much if any time on the team this year as long as Moses is still on the team.

Cryer is an undersized sg who tries on defense. I like him and think he can find a role on the team as a gunner that can get some shots up. But give me the guy who can be an elite defender who is an excellent athlete. Maybe Carter's offense never translates but we've seen what an elite defender can do in our system that can't really shoot (GP2).

We just saw mobility and speed on defense win a championship with a rather poor offensive output.

Not sure how good of an athlete we're talking about when he's 6'2. 6'9 wingspan is nice, but 6'2 and 190 makes me think he'll only be able to defend guards. The shooting might mean he'll never get on the court. Not sure how he'll actually contribute in the next 2 seasons.

Powell, on the other hand, could give us the scoring and ball-handling, we were missing for so much of last season, even after Jimmy. Not saying I would move for Powell, but between Carter and Powell, it's pretty clear who would actually help us win games.

I'm not even sure we have even a 2 year window, probably just next season. The main reason I would want to move JK is IF we can get someone that can help us win MORE than JK can. I don't know why so few people value lineup data and net rating over the advanced stats, but I don't know if we can trade JK for someone that can play AS WELL with Steph and Dray as he did.

I can entertain the idea that Ellis and a full NTMLE could add 1-3 players that, in total, would contribute more to winning than JK would. Most of the other moves I've heard, including the carter one, would be considerable steps back, this season, with a lot of hope that, down the line, someone pops.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1crdpu4/wasserman_devin_carter_also_just_set_an_nba/

Set a combine record for 3/4 sprint with a 42" vert

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/2024-nba-draft-devin-carter-and-enrique-freeman-shine-at-nba-combine-01hy4ej1vctn

Carter broke an NBA Combine record in the three quarter sprint as he ran a 2.87. He also was first in the max vertical leap and standing vertical leap. In the lane agility he placed third and in the shuttle run he placed top ten. Carter proved that he’s one of the most athletic players in the draft while having a very productive season for Providence. He likely secured his position as a lottery pick in this year’s draft.

Realistically we have a 1 year window, which is why I'd trade our 26 1st and hell maybe even our 28 1st just to make sure we make the deal happen for Ellis and Herb Jones to be included. Double down on defense like the Thunder did. Moody/JK/TJD + 2 1sts for Ellis/Jones/Carter/Cardwell. All excellent defenders with all defense potential. Just try to turn the other team over by blitzing the other team. Let Curry and JB carry the offense

Curry/Podz
Ellis/Melton/Carter/Richard
JB/Herb
Dray/Gui/Toohey
Horford/Post/Cardwell

Yes, in the gym, I'm sure his athleticism jumps out. I didn't see that on the court.

[vvoland]

Realistically we have a 1 year window, which is why I'd trade our 26 1st and hell maybe even our 28 1st just to make sure we make the deal happen for Ellis and Herb Jones to be included. Double down on defense like the Thunder did. Moody/JK/TJD + 2 1sts for Ellis/Jones/Carter/Cardwell. All excellent defenders with all defense potential. Just try to turn the other team over by blitzing the other team. Let Curry and JB carry the offense

Curry/Podz
Ellis/Melton/Carter/Richard
JB/Herb
Dray/Gui/Toohey
Horford/Post/Cardwell

I can get behind a big move like this. Instead of the Carter/Jones/Ellis package, I'd target trey murphy

[Onus]

Not sure how good of an athlete we're talking about when he's 6'2. 6'9 wingspan is nice, but 6'2 and 190 makes me think he'll only be able to defend guards. The shooting might mean he'll never get on the court. Not sure how he'll actually contribute in the next 2 seasons.

Powell, on the other hand, could give us the scoring and ball-handling, we were missing for so much of last season, even after Jimmy. Not saying I would move for Powell, but between Carter and Powell, it's pretty clear who would actually help us win games.

I'm not even sure we have even a 2 year window, probably just next season. The main reason I would want to move JK is IF we can get someone that can help us win MORE than JK can. I don't know why so few people value lineup data and net rating over the advanced stats, but I don't know if we can trade JK for someone that can play AS WELL with Steph and Dray as he did.

I can entertain the idea that Ellis and a full NTMLE could add 1-3 players that, in total, would contribute more to winning than JK would. Most of the other moves I've heard, including the carter one, would be considerable steps back, this season, with a lot of hope that, down the line, someone pops.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1crdpu4/wasserman_devin_carter_also_just_set_an_nba/

Set a combine record for 3/4 sprint with a 42" vert

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/2024-nba-draft-devin-carter-and-enrique-freeman-shine-at-nba-combine-01hy4ej1vctn

Carter broke an NBA Combine record in the three quarter sprint as he ran a 2.87. He also was first in the max vertical leap and standing vertical leap. In the lane agility he placed third and in the shuttle run he placed top ten. Carter proved that he’s one of the most athletic players in the draft while having a very productive season for Providence. He likely secured his position as a lottery pick in this year’s draft.

Realistically we have a 1 year window, which is why I'd trade our 26 1st and hell maybe even our 28 1st just to make sure we make the deal happen for Ellis and Herb Jones to be included. Double down on defense like the Thunder did. Moody/JK/TJD + 2 1sts for Ellis/Jones/Carter/Cardwell. All excellent defenders with all defense potential. Just try to turn the other team over by blitzing the other team. Let Curry and JB carry the offense

Curry/Podz
Ellis/Melton/Carter/Richard
JB/Herb
Dray/Gui/Toohey
Horford/Post/Cardwell

Yes, in the gym, I'm sure his athleticism jumps out. I didn't see that on the court.

Let's just be honest, you weren't watching the kings. Because just his rebounding alone you can see the athleticism. He doesn't have the sudden explosiveness of a ja or russ with the ball, but he's definitely in the upper tier of athletes in the NBA.