WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

[tarantism]

Tarantism, where's your sig quote from? Is it yours, and you're poking fun at yourself, or someone else's?

Not mine. I came across it years ago and I think its pretty funny in retrospect. I removed the name because I'm not here to shame anybody. Honestly I don't even know which user said it.

[Old_Blue]

Okay, I give up. After the Brooklyn game, it's clear this team isn't going anywhere in the playoffs. May as well wait the 2 or 3 years it takes for Wiseman to develop.

[FNQ]

Okay, I give up. After the Brooklyn game, it's clear this team isn't going anywhere in the playoffs. May as well wait the 2 or 3 years it takes for Wiseman to develop.

So then at that point, may as well ask Curry if he wants to be dealt

The 2020 team was never supposed to go anywhere in the playoffs after the Klay injury

[ILOVEIT]

Honestly...had you had Wiseman on the floor last night against the Nets...it would have been worse.

Durant, Iriving, Harden would simply have looked for Wiseman on the switch then abused him.

Our issues was not defense folks...it was playing solid defense to begin the game and NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE.

Watching Curry's peak time in the NBA tic away while waiting on Wiseman...ugh....

[whatisacenter]

Honestly...had you had Wiseman on the floor last night against the Nets...it would have been worse.

Durant, Iriving, Harden would simply have looked for Wiseman on the switch then abused him.

Our issues was not defense folks...it was playing solid defense to begin the game and NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE.

Watching Curry's peak time in the NBA tic away while waiting on Wiseman...ugh....

Who is available in a Wiseman trade that would put the Warriors in title contention? A Beal-type player does not move the needle enough IMO and would cost the team multiple FRP's.

The Warriors management has gone all-in for several years and Curry has experienced more success than most players ever dream of. I am still drunk off of all the success this team has brought us and I am willing to be patient and build for next season.

[xdrta+]

Honestly...had you had Wiseman on the floor last night against the Nets...it would have been worse.

Durant, Iriving, Harden would simply have looked for Wiseman on the switch then abused him.

Our issues was not defense folks...it was playing solid defense to begin the game and NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE.

Watching Curry's peak time in the NBA tic away while waiting on Wiseman...ugh....

If you don't think the issue was defense, I don't know what game you were watching. Sure they were cold shooting, but they were walking back on defense, giving up solo breakaways after made baskets, and open layups for no particular reason. The idea that they would have been worse with Wiseman, or any center, playing is laughable.

[tarantism]

Honestly...had you had Wiseman on the floor last night against the Nets...it would have been worse.

Durant, Iriving, Harden would simply have looked for Wiseman on the switch then abused him.

Our issues was not defense folks...it was playing solid defense to begin the game and NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE.

Watching Curry's peak time in the NBA tic away while waiting on Wiseman...ugh....

If you don't think the issue was defense, I don't know what game you were watching. Sure they were cold shooting, but they were walking back on defense, giving up solo breakaways after made baskets, and open layups for no particular reason. The idea that they would have been worse with Wiseman, or any center, playing is laughable.

This. I'll add that they played Bruce Brown as functionally a roll/cut 5 and it killed us because our help side defense was asleep all night and we have no rim protection. A 6'4" center attacked on the roll with high efficiency.

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[ILOVEIT]

Honestly...had you had Wiseman on the floor last night against the Nets...it would have been worse.

Durant, Iriving, Harden would simply have looked for Wiseman on the switch then abused him.

Our issues was not defense folks...it was playing solid defense to begin the game and NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE.

Watching Curry's peak time in the NBA tic away while waiting on Wiseman...ugh....

If you don't think the issue was defense, I don't know what game you were watching. Sure they were cold shooting, but they were walking back on defense, giving up solo breakaways after made baskets, and open layups for no particular reason. The idea that they would have been worse with Wiseman, or any center, playing is laughable.

You can only hold the line defensively so long before the other team breaks out.

BAD OFFENSE INFLUENCES DEFENSE. Warriors started out crisp defensively and started to wilt as their shots just kept clanking....

It's easy to look at the second half and say "wow....defense sucked".

No one can tell me that the team's defense isn't being affected by their really crappy shooting.

[ILOVEIT]

Honestly...had you had Wiseman on the floor last night against the Nets...it would have been worse.

Durant, Iriving, Harden would simply have looked for Wiseman on the switch then abused him.

Our issues was not defense folks...it was playing solid defense to begin the game and NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE.

Watching Curry's peak time in the NBA tic away while waiting on Wiseman...ugh....

If you don't think the issue was defense, I don't know what game you were watching. Sure they were cold shooting, but they were walking back on defense, giving up solo breakaways after made baskets, and open layups for no particular reason. The idea that they would have been worse with Wiseman, or any center, playing is laughable.

This. I'll add that they played Bruce Brown as functionally a roll/cut 5 and it killed us because our help side defense was asleep all night and we have no rim protection. A 6'4" center attacked on the roll with high efficiency.

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Did any of that happen in the first half? Nah....that was all a collapse in the second. There may have been a couple of missed rotations in the first half but all the damage was done in the second half.

Come on....now. If you can't score on one of the worse defenses in the NBA....you are going to get destroyed against one of the most talented offenses in the NBA.

[ILOVEIT]

Honestly...had you had Wiseman on the floor last night against the Nets...it would have been worse.

Durant, Iriving, Harden would simply have looked for Wiseman on the switch then abused him.

Our issues was not defense folks...it was playing solid defense to begin the game and NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE.

Watching Curry's peak time in the NBA tic away while waiting on Wiseman...ugh....

Who is available in a Wiseman trade that would put the Warriors in title contention? A Beal-type player does not move the needle enough IMO and would cost the team multiple FRP's.

The Warriors management has gone all-in for several years and Curry has experienced more success than most players ever dream of. I am still drunk off of all the success this team has brought us and I am willing to be patient and build for next season.

I get the reality....there really isn't that player out there (other than Beal....and if you don't think he would move the needle imagine him out there last night...having another 30 point scorer makes a hella of a difference).

I'm just bummed about the reality of being WAY behind a team like the Nets in talent.

Good news is that they look like a better team than anything in the West.

[xdrta+]

Honestly...had you had Wiseman on the floor last night against the Nets...it would have been worse.

Durant, Iriving, Harden would simply have looked for Wiseman on the switch then abused him.

Our issues was not defense folks...it was playing solid defense to begin the game and NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE.

Watching Curry's peak time in the NBA tic away while waiting on Wiseman...ugh....

If you don't think the issue was defense, I don't know what game you were watching. Sure they were cold shooting, but they were walking back on defense, giving up solo breakaways after made baskets, and open layups for no particular reason. The idea that they would have been worse with Wiseman, or any center, playing is laughable.

You can only hold the line defensively so long before the other team breaks out.

BAD OFFENSE INFLUENCES DEFENSE. Warriors started out crisp defensively and started to wilt as their shots just kept clanking....

It's easy to look at the second half and say "wow....defense sucked".

No one can tell me that the team's defense isn't being affected by their really crappy shooting.

The Warriors gave up 66 points in the first half, and it wasn't because they couldn't make shots. And you have it backwards, it's bad defense that influences offense. A big part of Warriors offense comes off of defensive stops. The idea that any team is going to outshoot Bkln is silly. You have to play defense against them. The Warriors didn't.

[Impuniti]

If you don't think the issue was defense, I don't know what game you were watching. Sure they were cold shooting, but they were walking back on defense, giving up solo breakaways after made baskets, and open layups for no particular reason. The idea that they would have been worse with Wiseman, or any center, playing is laughable.

You can only hold the line defensively so long before the other team breaks out.

BAD OFFENSE INFLUENCES DEFENSE. Warriors started out crisp defensively and started to wilt as their shots just kept clanking....

It's easy to look at the second half and say "wow....defense sucked".

No one can tell me that the team's defense isn't being affected by their really crappy shooting.

The Warriors gave up 66 points in the first half, and it wasn't because they couldn't make shots. And you have it backwards, it's bad defense that influences offense. A big part of Warriors offense comes off of defensive stops. The idea that any team is going to outshoot Bkln is silly. You have to play defense against them. The Warriors didn't.

I don't understand how a team scoring 137 points against you = offense being the problem.

On top of that, Warriors getting stops and points in transition would likely result in a more easy buckets. But if a team scores 117 points in a game, they should be winning that game 8/10 times.

[tarantism]

On day 5 of the last 7-10 day diagnosis. I think we can expect Wiseman back against optimistically the Heat or realistically the Magic. Personally I'm pretty excited for him to get back.

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[Big J]

I'm guessing Wiseman will be better after watching the game from the bench, but he still has years of development ahead of him before he become a net positive.

[clyde21]

Honestly...had you had Wiseman on the floor last night against the Nets...it would have been worse.

Durant, Iriving, Harden would simply have looked for Wiseman on the switch then abused him.

Our issues was not defense folks...it was playing solid defense to begin the game and NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE.

Watching Curry's peak time in the NBA tic away while waiting on Wiseman...ugh....

If you don't think the issue was defense, I don't know what game you were watching. Sure they were cold shooting, but they were walking back on defense, giving up solo breakaways after made baskets, and open layups for no particular reason. The idea that they would have been worse with Wiseman, or any center, playing is laughable.

the idea that Wiseman would've solved our defensive issues against the Nets is a stretch...he's not even close to even being a neutral defender at this point, for every block he gets he makes 5 other bad plays.

[Sleepy51]

Honestly...had you had Wiseman on the floor last night against the Nets...it would have been worse.

Durant, Iriving, Harden would simply have looked for Wiseman on the switch then abused him.

Our issues was not defense folks...it was playing solid defense to begin the game and NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE.

Watching Curry's peak time in the NBA tic away while waiting on Wiseman...ugh....

If you don't think the issue was defense, I don't know what game you were watching. Sure they were cold shooting, but they were walking back on defense, giving up solo breakaways after made baskets, and open layups for no particular reason. The idea that they would have been worse with Wiseman, or any center, playing is laughable.

the idea that Wiseman would've solved our defensive issues against the Nets is a stretch...he's not even close to even being a neutral defender at this point, for every block he gets he makes 5 other bad plays.

He’s not a positive on D no doubt, but blocked shots isn’t the counting metric to compare. Is anyone counting altered shots or ball handlers forced to retreat? That’s ultimately what we will need from him if we keep him. He has to impact how we defend penetration, whether it ends in a shot block or not is largely irrelevant. He has to be impactful in turning penetrators away from the rim AND preventing them from dishing for assists.

Draymond doesn’t block any meaningful amount of shots. But he sure as hell changes opponents ability to convert off of penetration. How is that getting measured?

[xdrta+]

Honestly...had you had Wiseman on the floor last night against the Nets...it would have been worse.

Durant, Iriving, Harden would simply have looked for Wiseman on the switch then abused him.

Our issues was not defense folks...it was playing solid defense to begin the game and NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE.

Watching Curry's peak time in the NBA tic away while waiting on Wiseman...ugh....

If you don't think the issue was defense, I don't know what game you were watching. Sure they were cold shooting, but they were walking back on defense, giving up solo breakaways after made baskets, and open layups for no particular reason. The idea that they would have been worse with Wiseman, or any center, playing is laughable.

the idea that Wiseman would've solved our defensive issues against the Nets is a stretch...he's not even close to even being a neutral defender at this point, for every block he gets he makes 5 other bad plays.

Solved? Who said he would've solved the issues? The commenter claimed the problem was offense, when the obvious problem was defense. Any center would have helped with the open layups they got. Better would have been if the rest of the team had shown a little interest in defense, instead of walking back and giving up.

[shazam_guy]

If you don't think Wiseman alters shots just by being there, I question which team you've been watching. I'm not going to get into the whole thing again, but a seven footers who can jump means a lot of drives start and then are broken off when Wiseman (or anyone his size and reach) is playing low. I've watched it. You've watched it. It does make a difference.

[Sleepy51]

If you don't think Wiseman alters shots just by being there, I question which team you've been watching. I'm not going to get into the whole thing again, but a seven footers who can jump means a lot of drives start and then are broken off when Wiseman (or anyone his size and reach) is playing low. I've watched it. You've watched it. It does make a difference.

I didn’t say he hasn’t, I said he prolly isn’t a net positive on D yet statistically. There could be tons of unalarming reasons for that not the least of which, he’s a 19 year old rookie. I was just trying to shift the criteria for evaluating what he is doing away from shot blocks (which is kind of dumb) to something more meaningful.

The ability to terminate opposing possessions is not accurately represented in the box score counting stats. Lots of blocks don’t actually result in a possession change anyway.

Opp FG% on/off is what will tell us the results of how a players defensive inputs contribute to the end results but I’m sure there are more meaningful metrics for how we get to that result than blocked shots.

[cpower]

i am a little afraid when Wiseman is back he will mess up our current run. Will Kerr keep JAT in the starting 5?