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Post#81 » by Mylie10 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:29 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:Matthew 6:5 (New International Version)
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."

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Remember Jackson on the street corner? The guy is a hypocritical douche, and I cant imagine many Xians are proud of him. A truly poor representation of what their faith entails


That is an amazing biblical quote that mirrors the situation in an eerie way....I will pray for you is such a touchy way to respond to someone who is not is duress or in a major stress situation. I think we all know what Jackson meant.

Him saying that to Lacob is fine, because he was getting dumped. Had he cussed out Lacob and called him names, i'm sure the blowback would be even bigger. The problem comes with him rehashing this stuff in his sermons. IE hypocrite....Of course I don't truly know what's in his heart, but one can guess based on his broadcasting and sermons.
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Post#82 » by Mylie10 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:31 pm

Oh Reggae...I'm not overly sensative, but I would like to point out that when you take Christ out of Christians in your description and write Xians, it is kind of off putting. Its like saying xmas in stead of Christmas. I guess in these busy times, it does take a lot of extra effort to write X instead of Christ...but it is kind of disrespectful to some.
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Post#83 » by azwfan » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:39 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Oh Reggae...I'm not overly sensative, but I would like to point out that when you take Christ out of Christians in your description and write Xians, it is kind of off putting. Its like saying xmas in stead of Christmas. I guess in these busy times, it does take a lot of extra effort to write X instead of Christ...but it is kind of disrespectful to some.


(i'm not religious)... when i read it, my first thought was... "what the hell do people from Xian care about this?" As i was typing a response, i realized the intended purpose. Haven't seen it used in that way before.
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Post#84 » by FNQ » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:45 pm

X is used to abbreviate Christ because originally published translations were in Greek, Xristos. There's no disrespect in it.

But id rather just leave the conversation before it becomes absurd
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Post#85 » by Mylie10 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:47 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:X is used to abbreviate Christ because originally published translations were in Greek, Xristos. There's no disrespect in it.

But id rather just leave the conversation before it becomes absurd


While I doubt that is why you use it....its cool for you to...no big. Carry on boss.
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Post#86 » by Mylie10 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:50 pm

Oh and its Xpiotiavoi
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Post#87 » by FNQ » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:52 pm

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FireNellieQuick wrote:X is used to abbreviate Christ because originally published translations were in Greek, Xristos. There's no disrespect in it.

But id rather just leave the conversation before it becomes absurd


While I doubt that is why you use it....its cool for you to...no big. Carry on boss.


I use it out of habit, and because its not supposed to be disrespectful. Catholic school, shorthand.

And Jax is a hypocrite for banging strippers more so than what he says.
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Post#88 » by Mylie10 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:53 pm

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FireNellieQuick wrote:X is used to abbreviate Christ because originally published translations were in Greek, Xristos. There's no disrespect in it.

But id rather just leave the conversation before it becomes absurd


While I doubt that is why you use it....its cool for you to...no big. Carry on boss.


I use it out of habit, and because its not supposed to be disrespectful. Catholic school, shorthand.

And Jax is a hypocrite for banging strippers more so than what he says.


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Post#89 » by FNQ » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:04 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Oh and its Xpiotiavoi

Think that's Latin..

lol funny enough this made me remember why I started doing it shorthand.. we were quizzed on it! I remember grousing as a kid why it wasn't tians.. because a lowercase t at least looks like a cross. I've retained so much useless information from catholic school :sigh:
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Post#90 » by turk3d » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:12 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:Matthew 6:5 (New International Version)
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."

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Remember Jackson on the street corner? The guy is a hypocritical douche, and I cant imagine many Xians are proud of him. A truly poor representation of what their faith entails

One of the things that many do (when trying to interpret scripture) is to ignore context which is important when trying to determine it's meaning and in addition many tend to (when they are quoting scripture) to not quote the entire verse. In this case using KIng James which I believe to be the most accurate interpretation (the NIV translation was initially developed using the King James as its baseline) is as follows:

Matthew 6:5 (KJV) 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Matthew 6:5 (NIV) 5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

Two translations are pretty close in this instance. However, looking at a bit more contextually (typically you want to look at the verses before and after the one you're quoting to get a better idea of its meaning) in verse 6:

Matthew 6:6 (KJV) 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Matthew 6:6 (NIV) 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

So in terms of what Jesus is saying here, application wise, it doesn't really apply to Mark Jackson here. Jackson said "he will pray for Lacob", he was not praying for him in public which is what I think Jesus is referring to indicating that he will but will most likely be doing that privately, which is something completely different. And as for praying for someone, I think anyone has a right to do that for anyone they want to,

I don't believe there's any laws against it. And how someone can think that praying for someone is not "good will" towards them is beyond me. If they were saying that they were going to curse them or wish they go to hell or have a ton of bricks fall on their head, then I could see someone getting bent out of shape over it. As for telling someone you're going to pray for them (or not), again is something that I don't think anyone should look at negatively.

Just like some of the discussions we've had over stats over the years, context is important when trying to get a correct interpretation of their meanings which gives us the correct knowledge on how the results should be applied.
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Post#91 » by FNQ » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:20 pm

How about when he was yelling, literally on the street corner turk?

Plus, I'd say that re-telling a story, in public, about how you told someone you'd pray for them.. is pretty much the same thing.

Jackson said he'd pray for gay people. Which is a way of saying that he doesn't accept who they are. You might consider that good will, a sizeable chunk (and thankfully growing) of the US population doesn't.

You can try and defend Jackson all you want by going super-literal... I don't think you'll change a single mind like that. I kinda doubt anyone would buy that explanation anyways. It's pretty clear through Jackson's long list of issues that he's a petty, self-serving guy.
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Post#92 » by likashing » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:24 pm

There is a difference when The Caterpillar tells everyone, "I have forgiven him. I'm gonna pray for Lacob." and then pray for him in private, vs just praying for him in private. The Caterpillar wants people to know about it. That is the similar as the hypocrites in Matthew 6:5. And when he is on ESPN, everyone can tell he still has a lot of beef against the organization and wants us to fail in order to prove that he did a fine job.

The Caterpillar is a hypocrite who is a bad coach. Personally I don't care whether he is a hypocrite or not. The issue was that he was a bad coach who is still dissing us and making a fool of himself on ESPN.
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Post#93 » by turk3d » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:43 pm

I'm afraid you're wrong likashing. There is a distinct difference between telling someone you're going to pray for them in public vs actually praying in public (what Jesus was referring to in Matthew 5). And a further point to be made here is that in telling it to his congregation (which is I believe he was doing and if so wouldn't be public, it would be a private sermon which I get leetch reporters would go to try and drum up a story on him) and the logical reason for him to mention it to his congregation would be as an example for them as to following Jesus by praying for one's perceived enemies.

Now having said this (and addressing FNQ), as far as me defending MJ, yes I agree that I was one of his staunchest supporters when he first got canned (reason being is I didn't think it was handled properly) and up until the" Caterpillar Incident" I thought that Jackson had pretty much taken the high road but I will say, he disappointed me a great deal when he came up with that in his latest interview. I don't know why when he had handled it very professionally up to that point he would do that.

I sense maybe a bit of jealousy/hostily on his part with all the Warriors success. Anyone important had already acknowledged his contribution to the teams growth and success (even Lacob, Kerr and practically all the guys he coached while here). Extremely unfortunate. Jealous is definitely not Christ-like and he was wrong to do it so you won't see me trying to defend him for it.

He definitely was not an Xs and Os kind of coach and there's not doubt that bringing in Kerr was that right thing to do. He just needs to face up to that and let go. Maybe too late for that now but we'll see. He's definitely lost some credibility here (as far as the NBA is concerned) but I wouldn't say the same necessarily as far as his faith goes. Even Men of God make mistakes too. Thank goodness that Jesus is willing to forgive when we do.
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Post#94 » by turk3d » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:54 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:How about when he was yelling, literally on the street corner turk?

Typical "street corner preaching" which has been going on for a long time. What was he talking about? Lacob? And if so, anything derogatory?
FireNellieQuick wrote:Plus, I'd say that re-telling a story, in public, about how you told someone you'd pray for them.. is pretty much the same thing.

As I said in my previous post, this is standard Christian teaching, teach your congregation to pray for everyone essentially and there's really nothing bad about that, although I guess one can try and make it seem that way.
FireNellieQuick wrote:Jackson said he'd pray for gay people. Which is a way of saying that he doesn't accept who they are. You might consider that good will, a sizeable chunk (and thankfully growing) of the US population doesn't.

I don't know about acceptance (doesn't matter what he accepts, it's legal in this country), I think it's more of he doesn't approve of it (which should be his right, you can not approve of his preaching methods, but it's still legal for him to do). What are you supposed to do if you feel that someone is living in a way that you feel would be detrimental to them (whether you're right or wrong)? Wish them the worse or hope for the best for them regardless of whether or not you approve of what they're doing? I'd say the latter.
FireNellieQuick wrote:You can try and defend Jackson all you want by going super-literal... I don't think you'll change a single mind like that. I kinda doubt anyone would buy that explanation anyways. It's pretty clear through Jackson's long list of issues that he's a petty, self-serving guy.

I may not change your mind (and if it did change, it wouldn't be me changing it anyway) but as for others, it's hard to say.And as for Jackson, that's your opinion of him which you have the perfect right to have. Like I said, he really screwed up with his caterpillar interview which I have absolutely no defense for, as a man or as a Christian, especially being a Pastor.
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Post#95 » by HiRez » Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:56 pm

The more people see and hear Jackson talk about the Warriors, the less chance he has of getting another head coaching job. He may have felt he needed to air his grievances on-air to defend himself, but ultimately I think it ended up cementing the perception of him as an egotistical malcontent. What owner wants to deal with that? I don't think he'll coach in the NBA again.
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Post#96 » by turk3d » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:00 pm

HiRez wrote:The more people see and hear Jackson talk about the Warriors, the less chance he has of getting another head coaching job. He may have felt he needed to air his grievances on-air to defend himself, but ultimately I think it ended up cementing the perception of him as an egotistical malcontent. What owner wants to deal with that? I don't think he'll coach in the NBA again.

I'd have to agree with you on that. I definitely think he hurt his chances of getting another job as a coach by what he recently said. He might be jeopardizing his announcing job as well as I'm sure some of his comments won't go over well with a lot of people in general. What he said in that interview was totally uncalled for.
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Post#97 » by likashing » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:13 pm

What recent interview? Did I miss anything?
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Post#98 » by turk3d » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:49 pm

likashing wrote:What recent interview? Did I miss anything?

The Caterpillar reference. I didn't see it, but I've seen a number of quotes from it being referenced. Was in the past week or two I believe. Prior to that he said something regarding Bogut which wasn't too kind although I was willing to give him a pass on that since there was some truth to it, also fairly recent. It seems that for whatever reason, he's starting to spew uncalled for verbiage for whatever reason he has (can't be good).

Edit: Went back to the OP of this thread and saw that it was dated Jan.9 which was two months ago, but just posted here on March 9, which was the first time I saw it so I though that it was more recent. Actually that does make some difference (I thought it was intentionally done due to the recent Warrior success and was more current which I would have thought more egregious in my book.
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Post#99 » by azwfan » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:51 pm

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likashing wrote:What recent interview? Did I miss anything?

The Caterpillar reference. I didn't see it, but I've seen a number of quotes from it being referenced. Was in the past week or two I believe. Prior to that he said something regarding Bogut which wasn't too kind although I was willing to give him a pass on that since there was some truth to it, also fairly recent. It seems that for whatever reason, he's starting to spew uncalled for verbiage for whatever reason he has (can't be good).


I heard him say the Caterpillar thing during the first Cleveland game while he was broadcasting.
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Post#100 » by turk3d » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:53 pm

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likashing wrote:What recent interview? Did I miss anything?

The Caterpillar reference. I didn't see it, but I've seen a number of quotes from it being referenced. Was in the past week or two I believe. Prior to that he said something regarding Bogut which wasn't too kind although I was willing to give him a pass on that since there was some truth to it, also fairly recent. It seems that for whatever reason, he's starting to spew uncalled for verbiage for whatever reason he has (can't be good).


I heard him say the Caterpillar thing during the first Cleveland game while he was broadcasting.

Just edited my previous post, it was said on Jan. 9 two months ago.
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