way too early Philly speculation

[mos_def]

Cowherd is inferring that Dray would be part of the deal. I would do that.
Klay's dad has said, 'he doesnt expect the Warriors to go down the Ben Simmons route cuz of the Draymond situation.'

Im believe Klays dad more than Cowherd.

[Scoots1994]

Did you guys see the WIndhorst report that the Ben Simmons camp has stated they are toying with switching his shooting hand?

They were talking about changing his shooting hand before he was drafted.

[Ilovethebay]

Can’t easily dismiss getting Simmons despite all of his warts. It’s a gamble for sure but the only reason we are having this conversation is because of those “warts”. At 24 years old, the pay off could be huge (especially if the deal could revolve around Wiggins going out). Simmons has at least another 5 allstar appearances/ defensive first team accomplishments in his future. Just because Doc Rivers couldn’t make it work it doesn’t mean Kerr can’t.

[mos_def]

Its odd that though some say his shot needs refinement, we are really just talking a mental thing and needing him to say shoot when you are open and for the position you play. Just shoot. I find it almost funny

[cpower]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/colin-cowherd-says-theres-1-perfect-team-for-ben-simmons/ar-AALhCUB?li=BBnbfcL

Colin Cowherd Says There’s 1 ‘Perfect’ Team For Ben Simmons
Alek Arend

If Colin Cowherd were running the Golden State Warriors, he’d make an all-out push to acquire one player this off-season: Ben Simmons.

It seems inevitable the Philadelphia 76ers move on from Simmons at some point ahead of the 2021-22 season. He simply doesn’t fit in with Philly’s strategy and can’t be relied upon as a true No. 2 option.

So why the Warriors? First, Draymond Green’s getting older and Simmons would be much improved at the position for Golden State (at least on offense). If the Warriors plugged Simmons into Green’s spot, he’d also prove to be a better assist man, which is critical for a team led by lethal shooters in Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson.

Cowherd thinks it’s a no-brainer. The Warriors should do everything they can to acquire Simmons this off-season.

“I’ll say this again. Golden State is perfect,” Cowherd said in regards to a landing spot for Simmons, via The Herd. “Steph on one side. Klay on the other. He’d be a bigger Draymond Green.”

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Ben Simmons would be an excellent addition for the Warriors. He’d make life even easier Steph Curry and Klay Thompson.

The Warriors are hoping to milk one or two more great years out of Curry and Thompson. It’ll all depend on whether or not Thompson can return to his prior self after suffering multiple injuries these past few years.

Were the Warriors to acquire Simmons, they’d become younger and probably better.

The post Colin Cowherd Says There’s 1 ‘Perfect’ Team For Ben Simmons appeared first on The Spun (https://thespun.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/colin-cowherd-says-theres-1-perfect-team-for-ben-simmons).

stop it....bigger Draymond Green is laughable. he plays small and came up empty, thats nothing like Green.

Green was avg 13/8/5 while had a 94 Drtg aginst Lebron/Mozgov/TT then 17/10/6 against them again while had a 102 Drtg in 16. He was by far the best defender of the series.... Green has been the best small C of all time and owned Lebron, Howard, Kawhi, AD, Gobert and Capela in the last 5 6 years in the playoffs. What is Simmon's record?


Simmons cant do anything offensively against THE HAWKS, and had worse Drtg than Embiid and Howard. Simmons has always supposed to be an offensive player. He is one of the most overrated defenders in this league and if we have him to replace Green we are in deep trouble.

[FNQ]

Everyone who's hating on Ben Simmons hard better not have Scottie Barnes in their top 15 in this draft class

[azwfan]

Everyone who's hating on Ben Simmons hard better not have Scottie Barnes in their top 15 in this draft class

Will Scottie Barnes make $30m?

I'll take Simmons for Wiggins but we'd really REALLY need a stretch 5 (more than we do now) and an excellent shooting 3.

Simmons, Dray, Klay, Curry, <excellent shooter> could be an excellent closing lineup (if Simmons isn't scared and Draymond isn't airballing open layups).

[The-Power]

Yes and Ben averaged 14 PPG during RS and 5 in the PS where they got bounced because he was an unreliable player on top of his FT cratering.

Doesn't change the fact that you can play two non-shooting bigs and be successful on offense.

but you literally can't, we are seeing Trash Simmons get subbed out of the games during the 4th quarter which is generally when you would need him the most.

You can't play someone who currently has the yips at the FT line. That's a different matter, though.

[superunknown]

If I'm not mistaken, simmons' deal is structured this way:

same draft year max players (like ingram or murray) take:
29.5 + 31.5 + 34 + 36 milions
due to the individual awards (3rd Nba team) simmons will take:
33 + 35.5 + 38 + 40 milions

If he doesn't wave the trade kicker, there will be additional 5.5 milions to be paid by his new team:
38.5 + 41 + 43.5 + 45.5 milions

Basically, with the bonuses he'll cost like a max contract + a full MLE

that's why I said that, in an hypotethical trade scenario, I wouldn't trade just for him but only if the sixers are willing to throw in seth curry as well and take oubre via S&T (to make salaries work).

[and1GS]

Per Sonny's article he shared, the only way Ben makes sense is if we move Draymond. Even then, Ben would need to accept that he's now doing Draymond's exact role (play the 5 and set up at the elbow) AND improve his FT shooting.It's a lot to ask and I'm not sure it's a gamble you make this late in the Steph/Klay life cycle when they already have such elite synergy with Dray.

[GSWFan1994]

Scottie Barnes would be amazing in an Iguodala role.

[Scoots1994]

Its odd that though some say his shot needs refinement, we are really just talking a mental thing and needing him to say shoot when you are open and for the position you play. Just shoot. I find it almost funny

30% on FTs is not a "just shoot" issue.

[Scoots1994]

Everyone who's hating on Ben Simmons hard better not have Scottie Barnes in their top 15 in this draft class

The VERY important difference is that we have history of Simmons game stagnating, we don't have that with Barnes.

[Mob Byers]

[xdrta+]

It's not just free throws. In 43 fourth-quarter minutes over the final six games of the series Simmons took ONE shot. There's something seriously wrong there.

[FloydWarrior]

Hard to understand why he has such an aversion to shoot the ball...it's a fundamental technique of the game. Maybe he just doesn't have fire inside him, already got his bag so doesn't care anymore.

[cpower]

if Simmons is so great defensively why his team is having better D when he is off the court in the PS?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmobe01/on-off/2021

[ILOVEIT]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/colin-cowherd-says-theres-1-perfect-team-for-ben-simmons/ar-AALhCUB?li=BBnbfcL

Colin Cowherd Says There’s 1 ‘Perfect’ Team For Ben Simmons
Alek Arend

If Colin Cowherd were running the Golden State Warriors, he’d make an all-out push to acquire one player this off-season: Ben Simmons.

It seems inevitable the Philadelphia 76ers move on from Simmons at some point ahead of the 2021-22 season. He simply doesn’t fit in with Philly’s strategy and can’t be relied upon as a true No. 2 option.

So why the Warriors? First, Draymond Green’s getting older and Simmons would be much improved at the position for Golden State (at least on offense). If the Warriors plugged Simmons into Green’s spot, he’d also prove to be a better assist man, which is critical for a team led by lethal shooters in Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson.

Cowherd thinks it’s a no-brainer. The Warriors should do everything they can to acquire Simmons this off-season.

“I’ll say this again. Golden State is perfect,” Cowherd said in regards to a landing spot for Simmons, via The Herd. “Steph on one side. Klay on the other. He’d be a bigger Draymond Green.”

Take a look.

[url]

Read on Twitter

?s=20[/url]

Ben Simmons would be an excellent addition for the Warriors. He’d make life even easier Steph Curry and Klay Thompson.

The Warriors are hoping to milk one or two more great years out of Curry and Thompson. It’ll all depend on whether or not Thompson can return to his prior self after suffering multiple injuries these past few years.

Were the Warriors to acquire Simmons, they’d become younger and probably better.

The post Colin Cowherd Says There’s 1 ‘Perfect’ Team For Ben Simmons appeared first on The Spun (https://thespun.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/colin-cowherd-says-theres-1-perfect-team-for-ben-simmons).

stop it....bigger Draymond Green is laughable. he plays small and came up empty, thats nothing like Green.

Green was avg 13/8/5 while had a 94 Drtg aginst Lebron/Mozgov/TT then 17/10/6 against them again while had a 102 Drtg in 16. He was by far the best defender of the series.... Green has been the best small C of all time and owned Lebron, Howard, Kawhi, AD, Gobert and Capela in the last 5 6 years in the playoffs. What is Simmon's record?


Simmons cant do anything offensively against THE HAWKS, and had worse Drtg than Embiid and Howard. Simmons has always supposed to be an offensive player. He is one of the most overrated defenders in this league and if we have him to replace Green we are in deep trouble.

Spot on. Draymond is 6'7" and plays like 6'10"...Simmons is 6'10" and plays like ....crap. lol

You switch Draymond for Simmons you've just replaced the heart of the Warriors with a pouty lump of coal.

[FNQ]

Everyone who's hating on Ben Simmons hard better not have Scottie Barnes in their top 15 in this draft class

The VERY important difference is that we have history of Simmons game stagnating, we don't have that with Barnes.

And that's offset by the cost to get the player. If it only took Wiggins to get Simmons, and it takes a mid-lotto pick to get Barnes, then yeah. Barnes with a legit jumper is a star player, but so was Simmons, and Simmons had a much more refined game when he was drafted.

If people are saying "lets not get a guy who cant shoot" on one thread and then want to draft Barnes in another... what the ****

[Ilovethebay]

There’s a lot of prisoner of the moment paralysis by analysis going on here. Look at what this 24 year old dude has accomplished in 4 years of his NBA career :

3× NBA All-Star (2019–2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2020)
2× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2020, 2021)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2018)
NBA steals leader (2020)

I love Draymond as much as the next guy but to say that Draymond is unquestionably the better player is nuts. Draymond gets to play with two of the best shooters who have ever lived. Put Ben in the same situation and the results are just as good if not better.

The guy had a terrible series and he has some issues to work through but he will be fine.