James Wiseman 2021/2022

[Crazy-Canuck]

He should go to the gleague for a stint. He needs to play and it really helped poole.

[and1GS]

Well he tore his meniscus, not MCL, and average recovery + ramp up time is 3-6 months and we are just about at month 6 so that seems pretty standard. But yeh, big time soft tendencies. That meniscus better rub some dirt on itself and get back out there.

yes meniscus, and 6 mos is high end for meniscus, and he's already over that at this point, which is ridiculous for a 20 yr old tbh...and yea, he's displayed some real soft tendencies already, so a **** recovery time is par for the course for Wiseman at this point.

As I understand it there are generally two approaches to the injury he had. One is quick but potentially less durable in the long run and the other takes longer but is more sound. Given his youth they took the longer route to give the best chance for it to heal for an extended career.

I believe that's accurate. The two procedures are either cutting the meniscus out (or part of it...I forgot...not a doctor) or helping it repair itself. When you're young, you want to do the latter. Jaren Jackson did the same surgery and was out for 9 months.

So while it's tempting to call James Wiseman a soft piece of ****, sometimes it is important to take reality into account.

[Scoots1994]

G league did wonders for poole, why would we think it wouldnt help jw? The guys going to play like 10-15 min a game anyways, he can be sent down and we wont have to worry about fatigue or anything like that.

Couple of things. First I agree that they should find a way to use GL to develop him. Second, however, the others are right, developing a big is different. They need to be really strategic using it, and make sure Wiseman knows the plan. Third, one reason Poole bought in was that the bubble last year was a short concentrated group of games. Clearly defined end, and a whole bunch of court time.

If he's in the GL then his time with his position coaches goes down. Also we shouldn't assume his game hasn't taken a large step forward since last year. If it has then he should be playing NBA games not GL games when he's healthy.

[Onus]

G league did wonders for poole, why would we think it wouldnt help jw? The guys going to play like 10-15 min a game anyways, he can be sent down and we wont have to worry about fatigue or anything like that.

Couple of things. First I agree that they should find a way to use GL to develop him. Second, however, the others are right, developing a big is different. They need to be really strategic using it, and make sure Wiseman knows the plan. Third, one reason Poole bought in was that the bubble last year was a short concentrated group of games. Clearly defined end, and a whole bunch of court time.

If he's in the GL then his time with his position coaches goes down. Also we shouldn't assume his game hasn't taken a large step forward since last year. If it has then he should be playing NBA games not GL games when he's healthy.

Who is he playing over though? It sure as hell aint Bjelica or Green. Are we trying to develop the rookies or are we trying to win games this year? All indications are we are trying to win games. So there just aren't going to be a lot of minutes for him on the big club.

[Scoots1994]

Couple of things. First I agree that they should find a way to use GL to develop him. Second, however, the others are right, developing a big is different. They need to be really strategic using it, and make sure Wiseman knows the plan. Third, one reason Poole bought in was that the bubble last year was a short concentrated group of games. Clearly defined end, and a whole bunch of court time.

If he's in the GL then his time with his position coaches goes down. Also we shouldn't assume his game hasn't taken a large step forward since last year. If it has then he should be playing NBA games not GL games when he's healthy.

Who is he playing over though? It sure as hell aint Bjelica or Green. Are we trying to develop the rookies or are we trying to win games this year? All indications are we are trying to win games. So there just aren't going to be a lot of minutes for him on the big club.

48 minutes are available at C. If he gets 20 minutes that leaves 28 minutes for Bjelly, Looney, and Green to split, and all 3 of them can and will play some at 4. Games against teams without significant size he may not play at all, but, assuming he can actually defend bigs, he'll get significant minutes when that particular skill is needed because he's really the only traditionally sized center on the team.

Also, Kerr said he wants to have Green at the 5 much less this year and fewer minutes overall for him. If Green is at 30 minutes a game that's 66 minutes available between the 4 and 5 for JTA, Kuminga, Bjelly, Looney, and Wiseman to split up ... and two of them will likely get some minutes at 3 too.

Regardless, it's a good problem to have ... assuming Wiseman really is significantly better.

[whatisacenter]

he should only play on the Santa Cruz team to get some run before he joins the big club if he goes down at all. They didn't remake their coaching staff to have Wiseman playing in the G League, they made that investment to maximize and develop Wise, Kuminga, Moody, and Poole. I think the big guy is going to round into shape this season and start making a positive impact on both sides of the ball.

[Scoots1994]

he should only play on the Santa Cruz team to get some run before he joins the big club if he goes down at all. They didn't remake their coaching staff to have Wiseman playing in the G League, they made that investment to maximize and develop Wise, Kuminga, Moody, and Poole. I think the big guy is going to round into shape this season and start making a positive impact on both sides of the ball.

I sure hope so. I wasn't a Wiseman fan pre-draft, but now that cost has been spent I hope he steps up and takes a big leap forward.

[clyde21]

he should only play on the Santa Cruz team to get some run before he joins the big club if he goes down at all. They didn't remake their coaching staff to have Wiseman playing in the G League, they made that investment to maximize and develop Wise, Kuminga, Moody, and Poole. I think the big guy is going to round into shape this season and start making a positive impact on both sides of the ball.

where are the minutes gonna come from? what's the path to him getting to 20mpg? and if he's getting 20mpg, are they positive impact mins or negative, and if they are negative and we are fighting for seeding, what does that means?

just a really awkward situation right now, im not a Wise guy at all but I do feel for him because the path to minutes for him this year looks like an uphill battle. maybe that'll motivate him and he'll get better quickly but right now it's a tight window for him.

and it'll get even tighter if Minga starts getting mins @ 4/5 even garbage time mins.

[Impuniti]

he should only play on the Santa Cruz team to get some run before he joins the big club if he goes down at all. They didn't remake their coaching staff to have Wiseman playing in the G League, they made that investment to maximize and develop Wise, Kuminga, Moody, and Poole. I think the big guy is going to round into shape this season and start making a positive impact on both sides of the ball.

where are the minutes gonna come from? what's the path to him getting to 20mpg? and if he's getting 20mpg, are they positive impact mins or negative, and if they are negative and we are fighting for seeding, what does that means?

just a really awkward situation right now, im not a Wise guy at all but I do feel for him because the path to minutes for him this year looks like an uphill battle. maybe that'll motivate him and he'll get better quickly but right now it's a tight window for him.

and it'll get even tighter if Minga starts getting mins @ 4/5 even garbage time mins.

Warriors are desperately missing a big guy that can defend the rim and be an interior offensive presence. But he's not going to have it easy, I'm with you there. No more changing the entire attack to make sure Wiseman is comfortable for the first 6 minutes of the game.

It's all up to him. If he makes a good developmental jump, he'll start. The biggest issue is him being so poor defensively. If he gets there on that end, he'll find game time.

[Onus]

We outscored the gigantic lakers in the paint but we need an interior offensive presence?

[Impuniti]

We outscored the gigantic lakers in the paint but we need an interior offensive presence?

Looney and Draymond can't score inside. It also won't happen where the bench scores 50+ points.

[Onus]

We outscored the gigantic lakers in the paint but we need an interior offensive presence?

Looney and Draymond can't score inside. It also won't happen where the bench scores 50+ points.

That's why you play bjelica to open up the paint so that it's easier for our penetrators to score down there. But in any case paint scoring shouldn't be what you're complaining about after we outscored the lakers in the paint. We scored 46 points in the paint compared to the Lakers 34.

[whatisacenter]

he should only play on the Santa Cruz team to get some run before he joins the big club if he goes down at all. They didn't remake their coaching staff to have Wiseman playing in the G League, they made that investment to maximize and develop Wise, Kuminga, Moody, and Poole. I think the big guy is going to round into shape this season and start making a positive impact on both sides of the ball.

where are the minutes gonna come from? what's the path to him getting to 20mpg? and if he's getting 20mpg, are they positive impact mins or negative, and if they are negative and we are fighting for seeding, what does that means?

just a really awkward situation right now, im not a Wise guy at all but I do feel for him because the path to minutes for him this year looks like an uphill battle. maybe that'll motivate him and he'll get better quickly but right now it's a tight window for him.

and it'll get even tighter if Minga starts getting mins @ 4/5 even garbage time mins.

I think that the revamped coaching staff was due directly to how they rolled out Wiseman last season. Don't have a minutes prediction but I have always been of the opinion that Wiseman can play facing the basket and if they can just get him to be able to play the Loon roll of screening and dribble hand off's on the perimeter that he will get opportunities to contribute in the flow of the offense. I really think his biggest obstacle last season was the speed of the game and before his knee injury the game was finally slowing down for him.

I have always been a fan of Wiseman and still believe in him. If he can't eventually become a center who can finish games and hold his own defensively on the perimeter then I think the pick will go down a huge miss.

[Scoots1994]

he should only play on the Santa Cruz team to get some run before he joins the big club if he goes down at all. They didn't remake their coaching staff to have Wiseman playing in the G League, they made that investment to maximize and develop Wise, Kuminga, Moody, and Poole. I think the big guy is going to round into shape this season and start making a positive impact on both sides of the ball.

where are the minutes gonna come from? what's the path to him getting to 20mpg? and if he's getting 20mpg, are they positive impact mins or negative, and if they are negative and we are fighting for seeding, what does that means?

just a really awkward situation right now, im not a Wise guy at all but I do feel for him because the path to minutes for him this year looks like an uphill battle. maybe that'll motivate him and he'll get better quickly but right now it's a tight window for him.

and it'll get even tighter if Minga starts getting mins @ 4/5 even garbage time mins.

Certainly if Wiseman can't be a net positive then he isn't going to get the meaningful minutes.

[clyde21]

he should only play on the Santa Cruz team to get some run before he joins the big club if he goes down at all. They didn't remake their coaching staff to have Wiseman playing in the G League, they made that investment to maximize and develop Wise, Kuminga, Moody, and Poole. I think the big guy is going to round into shape this season and start making a positive impact on both sides of the ball.

where are the minutes gonna come from? what's the path to him getting to 20mpg? and if he's getting 20mpg, are they positive impact mins or negative, and if they are negative and we are fighting for seeding, what does that means?

just a really awkward situation right now, im not a Wise guy at all but I do feel for him because the path to minutes for him this year looks like an uphill battle. maybe that'll motivate him and he'll get better quickly but right now it's a tight window for him.

and it'll get even tighter if Minga starts getting mins @ 4/5 even garbage time mins.

Warriors are desperately missing a big guy that can defend the rim and be an interior offensive presence. But he's not going to have it easy, I'm with you there. No more changing the entire attack to make sure Wiseman is comfortable for the first 6 minutes of the game.

It's all up to him. If he makes a good developmental jump, he'll start. The biggest issue is him being so poor defensively. If he gets there on that end, he'll find game time.

i mean if he can be that defensive stud in the middle that would be great, but is there any feasible way he's a better defender than Loon this yr at the 5? or Dray?

one way he can earn some minutes is by being the best rebounder on the team, which he easily should be with his physical profile, where we'll need him if we're struggling to nab boards against bigger teams...but gotta hold onto the ball first.

[and1GS]

There's maybe a 1% chance he ups his game on D. Agree his path to minutes is by winning on the boards. Bjelica just did it and you'd have a tough time convincing me he doesn't deserve PT moving forward.

IMO Wiseman will be worked in at 10 minutes and stay at 12-15 if he doesn't show improvement. We have enough depth to bench him if he's not influencing wins.

[Scoots1994]

where are the minutes gonna come from? what's the path to him getting to 20mpg? and if he's getting 20mpg, are they positive impact mins or negative, and if they are negative and we are fighting for seeding, what does that means?

just a really awkward situation right now, im not a Wise guy at all but I do feel for him because the path to minutes for him this year looks like an uphill battle. maybe that'll motivate him and he'll get better quickly but right now it's a tight window for him.

and it'll get even tighter if Minga starts getting mins @ 4/5 even garbage time mins.

Warriors are desperately missing a big guy that can defend the rim and be an interior offensive presence. But he's not going to have it easy, I'm with you there. No more changing the entire attack to make sure Wiseman is comfortable for the first 6 minutes of the game.

It's all up to him. If he makes a good developmental jump, he'll start. The biggest issue is him being so poor defensively. If he gets there on that end, he'll find game time.

i mean if he can be that defensive stud in the middle that would be great, but is there any feasible way he's a better defender than Loon this yr at the 5? or Dray?

one way he can earn some minutes is by being the best rebounder on the team, which he easily should be with his physical profile, where we'll need him if we're struggling to nab boards against bigger teams...but gotta hold onto the ball first.

He doesn't need to be a better defender than Loon or Dray at the 5. Loon can't play big minutes and Green they don't want playing a lot at 5 against bigs. If he's serviceable he'll get minutes.

[FNQ]

We need to throw out draft pedigree.

Wiseman's rookie season was a lot like Poole's. Poole entered his sophomore season out of the rotation, because we were deeper, and he had to show he was ready to play in junk time and the GLeague before he got actual meaningful minutes. When you are trying to win, you do that. When you are trying to fully develop someone, you do that

We have no need for Wiseman immediately and if he doesnt understand the game, which he clearly didnt last year except in small bursts and only following prolonged timeframes of hurting the team terribly, he doesnt belong on the court when the game still matters

[Scoots1994]

There's maybe a 1% chance he ups his game on D. Agree his path to minutes is by winning on the boards. Bjelica just did it and you'd have a tough time convincing me he doesn't deserve PT moving forward.

IMO Wiseman will be worked in at 10 minutes and stay at 12-15 if he doesn't show improvement. We have enough depth to bench him if he's not influencing wins.

1%? You think 6 months of coaching has a 1 in 100 chance of improving his defense at all? I'd say it's virtually guaranteed he's better. How much better, is he enough better, that is an open question.

Other than that I agree. I think he's get a chance to start and get the most center minutes but there is certainly no guarantee that he'll get them or deserve them.

[and1GS]

There's maybe a 1% chance he ups his game on D. Agree his path to minutes is by winning on the boards. Bjelica just did it and you'd have a tough time convincing me he doesn't deserve PT moving forward.

IMO Wiseman will be worked in at 10 minutes and stay at 12-15 if he doesn't show improvement. We have enough depth to bench him if he's not influencing wins.

1%? You think 6 months of coaching has a 1 in 100 chance of improving his defense at all? I'd say it's virtually guaranteed he's better. How much better, is he enough better, that is an open question.

Other than that I agree. I think he's get a chance to start and get the most center minutes but there is certainly no guarantee that he'll get them or deserve them.

That's a fair point and I should clarify. By 'ups his game' I mean being an above average defender that impacts winning. If he goes from being a disaster to slightly less of a disaster I personally don't count that as a big win for us.

His defensive issues were all mental IMO. Got too excited, would get in foul trouble. Got too nervous, would stay down with his arms up. Would get the timing wrong on blocks/rotations quite often. It's something he can fix, sure, but I think it will take some time.