Get Curry back to his normal rotations

[HiRez]

I've said it before but if there is a problem with the rotation I think it has to do more with how Steph has ended up playing more minutes than it does with rhythm.

I agree with that, no matter what rotations you use, Steph should not be playing 35 minutes a game with very few days off in the RS. I think we're seeing the wear and tear taking its toll on him. There's no way this guy just suddenly forgot how to shoot 3s or layups, I think it has to be fatigue-related. With Poole and GPII, Steph should not have to play more than ~32 minutes a game, and he should be getting a few more games off, and it wouldn't hurt to get Moody some more time as well. I think we've seen we can still win a lot or even most of those games. Will just have to see how it shakes out after Klay returns, but if anything that should give us even more opportunity to rest him.

I'd like to see something like this for each half:

8 m. on (start 1/3 Q)
8 m. off (last 4 of 1/3Q, first 4 of 2/4Q)
8 m. on (end 2/4 Q)

That gives him 32 minutes total and enough time to get rolling on each appearance, but not enough so he's fatigued. And lets him finish out games after a good rest. And obviously sit him out late in games that are put away, there's been a few games where he was closing out the 4Q that were borderline blowouts, not sure why.

[clyde21]

I'm not sure what exactly is going on with Curry these days. He's been off for a while now. It seems he started the season as his usual self and then Kerr started messing with his minutes and he really hasn't been the same since then. Actually, none of us (including Curry himself) know what Kerr will do from game to game when it comes to deciding when he comes out and when he stays in. It's never the same two games in a row.

Kerr's rotation are actively **** with Steph but no one here wants to talk about it, been saying this day one, and it's not surprising to see his rhythm is completely off because of these rotations...been saying it's going to come back and bite us in the ass since the beginning

and if these crappy rotations don't get rectified soon we're not making it out the 2nd round.

That's a whole lot of conviction you have in your take...which has no basis in fact. It's fine to speculate, but to rant as if your take is the indisputable truth?

not really sure what your point is, but my prediction has been spot on: i said when the season started that these new rotations are going to end up messing with Steph's rhythm and game...and look no further, possibly the worst shooting stretch of his entire career.

if you disagree you're more than welcome to explain why instead of clutchin your pearls for whatever reason.

[whatisacenter]

I'm not sure what exactly is going on with Curry these days. He's been off for a while now. It seems he started the season as his usual self and then Kerr started messing with his minutes and he really hasn't been the same since then. Actually, none of us (including Curry himself) know what Kerr will do from game to game when it comes to deciding when he comes out and when he stays in. It's never the same two games in a row.

Kerr's rotation are actively **** with Steph but no one here wants to talk about it, been saying this day one, and it's not surprising to see his rhythm is completely off because of these rotations...been saying it's going to come back and bite us in the ass since the beginning

and if these crappy rotations don't get rectified soon we're not making it out the 2nd round.

your cry to be the lone voice in the wild is a little ironic in a multi-page thread about just this topic.

you seem to get a little prickly when posters don't agree with you and associate it with them conforming to authority or not wanting to talk about it. I think it starts to become reacting to the messenger instead of the message when it comes to myself and I am guessing some of the other regulars here when interacting with you. the past few seasons you seem to find a whipping boy whether it's Myers(last year), Kerr(this year) or a player the team drafted and you ride it all year. I also think it's a bit silly to focus on one person whether it is Myers or Kerr when this organization work on consensus and not a singular voice. do you really think that the decision to alter Curry's rotation was all Kerr's idea and decision?

I am guessing this all becomes moot with the return of Klay in the near future but time will tell.

[clyde21]

I'm not sure what exactly is going on with Curry these days. He's been off for a while now. It seems he started the season as his usual self and then Kerr started messing with his minutes and he really hasn't been the same since then. Actually, none of us (including Curry himself) know what Kerr will do from game to game when it comes to deciding when he comes out and when he stays in. It's never the same two games in a row.

Kerr's rotation are actively **** with Steph but no one here wants to talk about it, been saying this day one, and it's not surprising to see his rhythm is completely off because of these rotations...been saying it's going to come back and bite us in the ass since the beginning

and if these crappy rotations don't get rectified soon we're not making it out the 2nd round.

your cry to be the lone voice in the wild is a little ironic in a multi-page thread about just this topic.

you seem to get a little prickly when posters don't agree with you and associate it with them conforming to authority or not wanting to talk about it. I think it starts to become reacting to the messenger instead of the message when it comes to myself and I am guessing some of the other regulars here when interacting with you. the past few seasons you seem to find a whipping boy whether it's Myers(last year), Kerr(this year) or a player the team drafted and you ride it all year. I also think it's a bit silly to focus on one person whether it is Myers or Kerr when this organization work on consensus and not a singular voice. do you really think that the decision to alter Curry's rotation was all Kerr's idea and decision?

I am guessing this all becomes moot with the return of Klay in the near future but time will tell.

im not focusing on one person, this thread happens to be about rotations...who's in charge of the rotations? Fitz? Buike? Captain Planet? that's Kerr...so obviously when we are talking about rotations, which should be talked about until they are fixed, Kerr will be the one we talk about.

if the topic of discussion is roster composition and the draft, then Myers will be discussed. last year he made many terrible roster decisions, starting with Wiseman, and I will voice my opinion on that accordingly...this year he's been much better, drafting Kuminga and Moody and getting guys like Bjelica and Porter, all of which I said were good additions. not sure what the issue is other than we're never allowed to question Kerr and Myers for some reason.

and again, you guys never actually want to discuss the actual point, just ad hominems and pearl clutching per usual. if you don't want to engage with my posts you're more than welcome to ignore them...i know, crazy idea.

[azwfan]

Kerr's rotation are actively **** with Steph but no one here wants to talk about it, been saying this day one, and it's not surprising to see his rhythm is completely off because of these rotations...been saying it's going to come back and bite us in the ass since the beginning

and if these crappy rotations don't get rectified soon we're not making it out the 2nd round.

your cry to be the lone voice in the wild is a little ironic in a multi-page thread about just this topic.

you seem to get a little prickly when posters don't agree with you and associate it with them conforming to authority or not wanting to talk about it. I think it starts to become reacting to the messenger instead of the message when it comes to myself and I am guessing some of the other regulars here when interacting with you. the past few seasons you seem to find a whipping boy whether it's Myers(last year), Kerr(this year) or a player the team drafted and you ride it all year. I also think it's a bit silly to focus on one person whether it is Myers or Kerr when this organization work on consensus and not a singular voice. do you really think that the decision to alter Curry's rotation was all Kerr's idea and decision?

I am guessing this all becomes moot with the return of Klay in the near future but time will tell.

im not focusing on one person, this thread happens to be about rotations...who's in charge of the rotations? Fitz? Buike? Captain Planet? that's Kerr...so obviously when we are talking about rotations, which should be talked about until they are fixed, Kerr will be the one we talk about.

if the topic of discussion is roster composition and the draft, then Myers will be discussed. last year he made many terrible roster decisions, starting with Wiseman, and I will voice my opinion on that accordingly...this year he's been much better, drafting Kuminga and Moody and getting guys like Bjelica and Porter, all of which I said were good additions. not sure what the issue is other than we're never allowed to question Kerr and Myers for some reason.

and again, you guys never actually want to discuss the actual point, just ad hominems and pearl clutching per usual. if you don't want to engage with my posts you're more than welcome to ignore them...i know, crazy idea.

The issue with your take is that there isn't much data backing up your claim.

(paraphrasing) "Curry has shot the worst of his career this year - a year where he has mostly played with these rotations."

However...
1. He wasn't doing especially well before they changed the rotation. (small sample size) In fact, he was doing about the same overall.
2. Other factors to consider: NBA playing with a new ball, he usually struggles in beginning of the season, chasing a stupid record, family issues - Mom and Dad publicly announced separation with allegations cheating in the offseason, another year older... and that's just what is public.
3. He actually shot 42% from 3 in November and was NBA player of the month... the rotation changed at the beginning of the November. So we're really just talking about October (when he was in the preferred rotation) and December (when he usually struggles in the beginning of the season anyways).

Someone who follows the game as closely as you do should be aware of these facts, but somehow you are confident in your take that the rotation is the cause of any Curry issues and these facts are irrelevant.

[clyde21]

your cry to be the lone voice in the wild is a little ironic in a multi-page thread about just this topic.

you seem to get a little prickly when posters don't agree with you and associate it with them conforming to authority or not wanting to talk about it. I think it starts to become reacting to the messenger instead of the message when it comes to myself and I am guessing some of the other regulars here when interacting with you. the past few seasons you seem to find a whipping boy whether it's Myers(last year), Kerr(this year) or a player the team drafted and you ride it all year. I also think it's a bit silly to focus on one person whether it is Myers or Kerr when this organization work on consensus and not a singular voice. do you really think that the decision to alter Curry's rotation was all Kerr's idea and decision?

I am guessing this all becomes moot with the return of Klay in the near future but time will tell.

im not focusing on one person, this thread happens to be about rotations...who's in charge of the rotations? Fitz? Buike? Captain Planet? that's Kerr...so obviously when we are talking about rotations, which should be talked about until they are fixed, Kerr will be the one we talk about.

if the topic of discussion is roster composition and the draft, then Myers will be discussed. last year he made many terrible roster decisions, starting with Wiseman, and I will voice my opinion on that accordingly...this year he's been much better, drafting Kuminga and Moody and getting guys like Bjelica and Porter, all of which I said were good additions. not sure what the issue is other than we're never allowed to question Kerr and Myers for some reason.

and again, you guys never actually want to discuss the actual point, just ad hominems and pearl clutching per usual. if you don't want to engage with my posts you're more than welcome to ignore them...i know, crazy idea.

The issue with your take is that there isn't much data backing up your claim.

(paraphrasing) "Curry has shot the worst of his career this year - a year where he has mostly played with these rotations."

However...
1. He wasn't doing especially well before they changed the rotation. (small sample size) In fact, he was doing about the same overall.
2. Other factors to consider: NBA playing with a new ball, he usually struggles in beginning of the season, chasing a stupid record, family issues - Mom and Dad publicly announced separation with allegations cheating in the offseason, another year older... and that's just what is public.
3. He actually shot 42% from 3 in November and was NBA player of the month... the rotation changed at the beginning of the November. So we're really just talking about October (when he was in the preferred rotation) and December (when he usually struggles in the beginning of the season anyways).

Someone who follows the game as closely as you do should be aware of these facts, but somehow you are confident in your take that the rotation is the cause of any Curry issues and these facts are irrelevant.

not sure what you mean by 'before these rotations'? are you talking about last yr? we've been on these rotations this entire season, from the first game, I mentioned this the minute Steph came out 6 minutes into Q1.

really i'm not sure how people don't know this year after years of watching Steph. shooting in basketball is like 75% rhythm, this is ESPECIALLY true for a smaller player like Steph that relies so much on feel, cadence and rhythm to get shots off and in. you cannot keep screwing with that rhythm by consistently subbing this kind of player out.

these current rotations maximize the amt of times Steph is asked to leave the court. he leaves midway thru the first, then comes in for a minute or two at the end of Q1 only to leave again once the quarter is over, then comes in to start the second and then leaves again midway thru the 2nd, only to come back in and leave for half time. that's FOUR times at the half that Steph is going in and out of the game. the previous rotation he was coming out twice - end of the 1st and end of the 2nd...we've essentially DOUBLED his substitutions this year with these new rotations.

if you guys don't think this is affecting his game in any way, we'll agree to disagree. imo it's definitely playing a role whether you guys want to admit it or not. is it everything? no, there are likely many factors playing into Steph shooting the worst of his career...but this is the lowest hanging fruit in my opinion and could be fixed just with a rotation tweak.

anything else happening with him physically or mentally is a different discussion and a much harder fix than just having the dude play the entire Q1/Q3 like he's done his entire career.

[azwfan]

im not focusing on one person, this thread happens to be about rotations...who's in charge of the rotations? Fitz? Buike? Captain Planet? that's Kerr...so obviously when we are talking about rotations, which should be talked about until they are fixed, Kerr will be the one we talk about.

if the topic of discussion is roster composition and the draft, then Myers will be discussed. last year he made many terrible roster decisions, starting with Wiseman, and I will voice my opinion on that accordingly...this year he's been much better, drafting Kuminga and Moody and getting guys like Bjelica and Porter, all of which I said were good additions. not sure what the issue is other than we're never allowed to question Kerr and Myers for some reason.

and again, you guys never actually want to discuss the actual point, just ad hominems and pearl clutching per usual. if you don't want to engage with my posts you're more than welcome to ignore them...i know, crazy idea.

The issue with your take is that there isn't much data backing up your claim.

(paraphrasing) "Curry has shot the worst of his career this year - a year where he has mostly played with these rotations."

However...
1. He wasn't doing especially well before they changed the rotation. (small sample size) In fact, he was doing about the same overall.
2. Other factors to consider: NBA playing with a new ball, he usually struggles in beginning of the season, chasing a stupid record, family issues - Mom and Dad publicly announced separation with allegations cheating in the offseason, another year older... and that's just what is public.
3. He actually shot 42% from 3 in November and was NBA player of the month... the rotation changed at the beginning of the November. So we're really just talking about October (when he was in the preferred rotation) and December (when he usually struggles in the beginning of the season anyways).

Someone who follows the game as closely as you do should be aware of these facts, but somehow you are confident in your take that the rotation is the cause of any Curry issues and these facts are irrelevant.

not sure what you mean by 'before these rotations'? are you talking about last yr? we've been on these rotations this entire season, from the first game, I mentioned this the minute Steph came out 6 minutes into Q1.

really i'm not sure how people don't know this year after years of watching Steph. shooting in basketball is like 75% rhythm, this is ESPECIALLY true for a smaller player like Steph that relies so much on feel, cadence and rhythm to get shots off and in. you cannot keep screwing with that rhythm by consistently subbing this kind of player out.

these current rotations maximize the amt of times Steph is asked to leave the court the court. he's leaves midway thru the first, then come in for a minute or two at the end of Q1 only to get leave again once the quarter is over, come in to start the second and then leaves again midway thru the 2nd, only to come back in and leave for half time. that's FOUR times at the half that Steph is going in and out of the game. the previous rotation he was coming out twice - end of the 1st and end of the 2nd...we've essentially DOUBLED his substitutions this year with these new rotations.

if you guys don't think this is affecting his game in any way, we'll agree to disagree. it's definitely playing a role whether you guys want to admit it or not. is it everything? no, there are likely many factors playing into Steph shooting the worst of his career...but this is the lowest hanging fruit in my opinion and could be fixed just with a rotation tweak.

I actually looked up when the rotation changed and posted it somewhere in this thread. I believe it was in game 6. So yeah, that is inaccurate.

You COULD be correct, that the rotation change is a contributing factor. Though one would think it would have been a factor in November also when he shot 42% from 3 and was player of the month. It COULD also have nothing to do with it. We really don't know.

What we do know is that the Warriors have been one of the best teams in the league this season, so changing something just for the sake of improving stats of one of our players doesn't seem to be very prudent... especially when we don't know how much of a factor the rotation is having (if any).

He's missing easy layups this season and that has nothing to do with rhythm. My guess is that its family issues. I know when I had family issues, it effected me at work.

I'm hoping Klay coming back will reinvigorate him. Then we'll have the allstar break for him to really lock in and push for the playoffs. If he's struggling after the allstar break, that's when I'll worry (or if we start losing way more then we should).

[clyde21]

The issue with your take is that there isn't much data backing up your claim.

(paraphrasing) "Curry has shot the worst of his career this year - a year where he has mostly played with these rotations."

However...
1. He wasn't doing especially well before they changed the rotation. (small sample size) In fact, he was doing about the same overall.
2. Other factors to consider: NBA playing with a new ball, he usually struggles in beginning of the season, chasing a stupid record, family issues - Mom and Dad publicly announced separation with allegations cheating in the offseason, another year older... and that's just what is public.
3. He actually shot 42% from 3 in November and was NBA player of the month... the rotation changed at the beginning of the November. So we're really just talking about October (when he was in the preferred rotation) and December (when he usually struggles in the beginning of the season anyways).

Someone who follows the game as closely as you do should be aware of these facts, but somehow you are confident in your take that the rotation is the cause of any Curry issues and these facts are irrelevant.

not sure what you mean by 'before these rotations'? are you talking about last yr? we've been on these rotations this entire season, from the first game, I mentioned this the minute Steph came out 6 minutes into Q1.

really i'm not sure how people don't know this year after years of watching Steph. shooting in basketball is like 75% rhythm, this is ESPECIALLY true for a smaller player like Steph that relies so much on feel, cadence and rhythm to get shots off and in. you cannot keep screwing with that rhythm by consistently subbing this kind of player out.

these current rotations maximize the amt of times Steph is asked to leave the court the court. he's leaves midway thru the first, then come in for a minute or two at the end of Q1 only to get leave again once the quarter is over, come in to start the second and then leaves again midway thru the 2nd, only to come back in and leave for half time. that's FOUR times at the half that Steph is going in and out of the game. the previous rotation he was coming out twice - end of the 1st and end of the 2nd...we've essentially DOUBLED his substitutions this year with these new rotations.

if you guys don't think this is affecting his game in any way, we'll agree to disagree. it's definitely playing a role whether you guys want to admit it or not. is it everything? no, there are likely many factors playing into Steph shooting the worst of his career...but this is the lowest hanging fruit in my opinion and could be fixed just with a rotation tweak.

I actually looked up when the rotation changed and posted it somewhere in this thread. I believe it was in game 6. So yeah, that is inaccurate.

You COULD be correct, that the rotation change is a contributing factor. Though one would think it would have been a factor in November also when he shot 42% from 3 and was player of the month. It COULD also have nothing to do with it. We really don't know.

What we do know is that the Warriors have been one of the best teams in the league this season, so changing something just for the sake of improving stats of one of our players doesn't seem to be very prudent... especially when we don't know how much of a factor the rotation is having (if any).

He's missing easy layups this season and that has nothing to do with rhythm. My guess is that its family issues. I know when I had family issues, it effected me at work.

I'm hoping Klay coming back will reinvigorate him. Then we'll have the allstar break for him to really lock in and push for the playoffs. If he's struggling after the allstar break, that's when I'll worry (or if we start losing way more then we should).

i don't think it's very difficult to figure out tbh

1) Steph is a rhythm player

2) this new rotation DOUBLES Steph's substituions

3) the more the substitutions, the harder it is to get into rhythm

4) Steph's having the worst shooting season of his career pretty much

you're more than welcome to think these have nothing to do with each other, i just disagree. is it the only contributing factor? no. but to deny that at the very least it's ONE of the factors is naive imo.

[TwoStarz]

As long as the team is winning regular season games, who cares about the best player on the team playing like dog ****. Some of you (really most) are something else man

[TwoStarz]

Also, not impressed with Stephs post game comments. You got to show some urgency at some point, it’s not just about maintaining confidence. It’s not a matter of the ball just not going in tonight Steph, you’ve been terrible all year long in terms of “body of work”. Just not impressed with this Westbrook esque answer. Pathetic Steph, just pathetic all around

[a8bil]

Kerr's rotation are actively **** with Steph but no one here wants to talk about it, been saying this day one, and it's not surprising to see his rhythm is completely off because of these rotations...been saying it's going to come back and bite us in the ass since the beginning

and if these crappy rotations don't get rectified soon we're not making it out the 2nd round.

That's a whole lot of conviction you have in your take...which has no basis in fact. It's fine to speculate, but to rant as if your take is the indisputable truth?

not really sure what your point is, but my prediction has been spot on: i said when the season started that these new rotations are going to end up messing with Steph's rhythm and game...and look no further, possibly the worst shooting stretch of his entire career.

if you disagree you're more than welcome to explain why instead of clutchin your pearls for whatever reason.

The point is that your entire rant is rank speculation,...much like your claim that relationship issues are also at the root of his shooting woes. Go ahead and speculate if it makes you feel good, but don't expect everyone not to think you're off base and more than a bit self-absorbed.

[clyde21]

That's a whole lot of conviction you have in your take...which has no basis in fact. It's fine to speculate, but to rant as if your take is the indisputable truth?

not really sure what your point is, but my prediction has been spot on: i said when the season started that these new rotations are going to end up messing with Steph's rhythm and game...and look no further, possibly the worst shooting stretch of his entire career.

if you disagree you're more than welcome to explain why instead of clutchin your pearls for whatever reason.

The point is that your entire rant is rank speculation,...much like your claim that relationship issues are also at the root of his shooting woes. Go ahead and speculate if it makes you feel good, but don't expect everyone not to think you're off base and more than a bit self-absorbed.

lol i never even made any claim about his relationship situation, i wasn't the one that brought it up, but if something is distracting him off the court, that's a possibility. don't really see what the issue is?

and yea, i'll go ahead and speculate as I see fit...kinda the point of these forums.

[shazam_guy]

a8bill: You don't understand. When those guys complain, even without stats to back it up, it's TRUE because they say it is. But when others disagree, or point out things that don't make sense, then we're silencing them. See, it's like the people who stormed the Capitol. They were right, because they say they were, but the people who objected to their actions are depriving those patriots of their rights by disagreeing.

Militant self-righteousness and self-elected martyrdom is terrifying in politics, but (fortunately) just boring and predictable on sports boards.

[michaelm]

a8bill: You don't understand. When those guys complain, even without stats to back it up, it's TRUE because they say it is. But when others disagree, or point out things that don't make sense, then we're silencing them. See, it's like the people who stormed the Capitol. They were right, because they say they were, but the people who objected to their actions are depriving those patriots of their rights by disagreeing.

Militant self-righteousness and self-elected martyrdom is terrifying in politics, but (fortunately) just boring and predictable on sports boards.

Absolutely, disagreeing with someone is not silencing them, and there is nothing to stop anyone disagreeing with the disagreement. One of the annoyances of the current/modern age for me is that people seem to believe that saying something repeatedly or stridently on the internet/social media somehow makes it true.

That said, something is awry with Steph Curry, particularly with his shooting, pretty much unthinkable previously during the Kerr years at GSW, and that a changed rotation he has said he doesn’t like is contributing is hardly a way out suggestion by Clyde. I don’t think anyone would deny that Kerr has a tendency to be rigid with his rotations, and actually taking Curry out of a game when he was firing as iirc happened a few times early season to fit a pre-decided rotation pattern is something which did seem fairly unequivocally silly. Confidence and rhythm are obviously part of Steph’s whole thing, and it is conceivable that going back to what was successful for him long term might help with both of these.

Of course myriad other factors may apply as has been said. For me another thing that has been uncharacteristic about him this season has been him chasing personal objectives/statistics in games, which he hasn’t done much previously. I am superstitious as a sports fan and also saw it as challenging the basketball gods when he gave it to that referee after hitting the three pointer. Challenging mere mortal basketball officialdom was perhaps also unwise, they don’t give him much at the best of times, he got called for a travel yesterday I believe.

[clyde21]

oh yea, people who don't like Kerr's rotations are similar to people who stormed the capital....lmao

[shazam_guy]

No, people who scream their opinions over and over and then complain bitterly that they're being repressed when someone argues with them -- those are the similar ones. It's about the self-elected martyrdom, not the actual subject matter of the disagreement.

[TwoStarz]

No, people who scream their opinions over and over and then complain bitterly that they're being repressed when someone argues with them -- those are the similar ones. It's about the self-elected martyrdom, not the actual subject matter of the disagreement.

Dude you literally started a topic talking about how you’re so upset about people having a differing opinion from you in regards to how the season is going. Your whole premise was “I’m enjoying this season, screw the people that aren’t, they should be too” and you’re out here calling people self righteous and “self martyrdom”.

Now that’s a contradiction if I’ve ever seen one.

[Thugleavy34]

All I know is, it’s coaching 101 to play your best player the whole first quarter, let him get in a rhythm and he should be the last guy out because he’s earned that right.

The coaching staff wanted to try something new and I can appreciate that. He’s in his worst slump of his career. Maybe the rotation is why, maybe not. In either case, getting steph back on track has to be a high priority. Play him in a rotation he’s most comfortable playing

[shazam_guy]

No, people who scream their opinions over and over and then complain bitterly that they're being repressed when someone argues with them -- those are the similar ones. It's about the self-elected martyrdom, not the actual subject matter of the disagreement.

Dude you literally started a topic talking about how you’re so upset about people having a differing opinion from you in regards to how the season is going. Your whole premise was “I’m enjoying this season, screw the people that aren’t, they should be too” and you’re out here calling people self righteous and “self martyrdom”.

Now that’s a contradiction if I’ve ever seen one.

TwoStarz: WTactualF are you talking about? Here are my actual words starting that topic -- that CONTROVERSIAL topic, apparently, about enjoying the Ws season so far:

"I've been accused of cheerleading and blind homerism, so I thought I might as well make it official. I'm enjoying the hell out of this season, won't commit harakiri if they don't win it all, and see a lot of hope for the near- and longer-term future. The bench is so much better this year that I actually enjoy seeing them come in. OPJ gets hot, or Bjelica gets hot, JTA suddenly impacts a game, GP2 does something outrageous, and I'm happy to be a Warriors fan. If Damion Lee finds his stroke, that'll be even better.

Is everything perfect? Hell, no, and never will be -- athletic excellence is always transitory. But after two years recovering from Klaylessness and Durant's departure, this season feels like a full-on Warriors Experience, competitive and exciting, which is all I really ask for. Am I clueless? Or is this one of the most fun Warriors teams in a while?"

Now, please tell me where I said "screw the people who aren't enjoying this season", because it just isn't there. Instead, as is often the case with silly online arguments, you seem to have internalized what you wanted me to be saying, convinced yourself I said it, and then regurgitated what you imagined as some kind of criticism.

As I've said elsewhere, I'm perfectly okay with discussing or even arguing about problems with the team. What I'm heartily tired of is:

1) People insisting they know better than everyone else simply because they keep saying the same thing loudly over and over, and

2) People (usually the same people) complaining that they're being silenced or marginalized every time someone takes exception to one of their assertions, and intimating that everyone who disagrees is stupid, a blind homer, or whatever.

It's pretty stupid to pick a fight over what someone said when it's right there, still available to be seen, and obviously isn't what you claim it was. Sorry your feelings were hurt by what you imagine I wrote.

[xdrta+]

No, people who scream their opinions over and over and then complain bitterly that they're being repressed when someone argues with them -- those are the similar ones. It's about the self-elected martyrdom, not the actual subject matter of the disagreement.

Dude you literally started a topic talking about how you’re so upset about people having a differing opinion from you in regards to how the season is going. Your whole premise was “I’m enjoying this season, screw the people that aren’t, they should be too” and you’re out here calling people self righteous and “self martyrdom”.

Now that’s a contradiction if I’ve ever seen one.

TwoStarz: WTactualF are you talking about? Here are my actual words starting that topic -- that CONTROVERSIAL topic, apparently, about enjoying the Ws season so far:

"I've been accused of cheerleading and blind homerism, so I thought I might as well make it official. I'm enjoying the hell out of this season, won't commit harakiri if they don't win it all, and see a lot of hope for the near- and longer-term future. The bench is so much better this year that I actually enjoy seeing them come in. OPJ gets hot, or Bjelica gets hot, JTA suddenly impacts a game, GP2 does something outrageous, and I'm happy to be a Warriors fan. If Damion Lee finds his stroke, that'll be even better.

Is everything perfect? Hell, no, and never will be -- athletic excellence is always transitory. But after two years recovering from Klaylessness and Durant's departure, this season feels like a full-on Warriors Experience, competitive and exciting, which is all I really ask for. Am I clueless? Or is this one of the most fun Warriors teams in a while?"

Now, please tell me where I said "screw the people who aren't enjoying this season", because it just isn't there. Instead, as is often the case with silly online arguments, you seem to have internalized what you wanted me to be saying, convinced yourself I said it, and then regurgitated what you imagined as some kind of criticism.

As I've said elsewhere, I'm perfectly okay with discussing or even arguing about problems with the team. What I'm heartily tired of is:

1) People insisting they know better than everyone else simply because they keep saying the same thing loudly over and over, and

2) People (usually the same people) complaining that they're being silenced or marginalized every time someone takes exception to one of their assertions, and intimating that everyone who disagrees is stupid, a blind homer, or whatever.

It's pretty stupid to pick a fight over what someone said when it's right there, still available to be seen, and obviously isn't what you claim it was. Sorry your feelings were hurt by what you imagine I wrote.

Don't expect logic or reason or even an answer from this guy. He'll be back the next time the Warriors lose.