Warriors acquire Trayce Jackson-Davis from Wizards

[HiRez]

If he can defend a bit, rebound a lot, and not turn it over, he can help in his rookie year in short spurts, even if he has no offense that year.

Exactly, which is why I'm unconcerned whether he can shoot or not. He does plenty of stuff we need at a high level already. And again, we need to see if it translates, but I think much of it will. He should be good against the majority of teams in the league, and there's some PF + C flexibility there too.

[watch1958]

I hope he works regularly with Dejan. He helped Kevon, and even Wiseman with technique.

TJD has nice moves around the bucket, but his actual shot can be sloppy.

[CDM_Stats]

If he can defend a bit, rebound a lot, and not turn it over, he can help in his rookie year in short spurts, even if he has no offense that year.

Exactly, which is why I'm unconcerned whether he can shoot or not. He does plenty of stuff we need at a high level already. And again, we need to see if it translates, but I think much of it will. He should be good against the majority of teams in the league, and there's some PF + C flexibility there too.

I dont think we'll see him much, if at all, at PF.. but the shooting thing is just something to watch. Shot form is not super important for someone who likely isnt going to have it be a part of the offense, but if teams dare him to shoot as a way to close up the key, and he can hit enough to make them cut it out.. that's not outside of reality. He'll likely never be guarded out to 3, but that's fine.. even low level AAU coaches can surmise that

We'll see how it progresses.. its just nothing you'd want to bank on at this time

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Did Kuminga and Wiseman naturvurally have delayed first steps towards rebounds or did did Warriors coaching mess with their minds so much that they are thinking about what they should be doing so much that they fail to move towards rebounds?

TDJ is a fast decision maker. If TDJ does not crash the boards I will blame the coaching staff because TDJ wastes no time in moving towards rebounds in college.

[Dom801e]

I would not be surprised if he plays a lot more than people expect even if he can't shoot outside of the key at all.

He should be awesome as the roll man with CP3 as he is a solid screener, absolute monster as a lob threat, and also an intelligent passer especially big to big.

Kuminga can be in the dunker spot and get passes from either Paul or TJD. And if the defense covers all that, they will have Klay on the opposite baseline/wing from 3 to worry about.

[Crazy-Canuck]

He'll be our rookie Bandon Clarke, someone who spells loon vs long and athletic bigs.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

The more I see TJD's physical attributes and skillset/game, the closest, current player in the modern NBA who he plays like:

Bam Adebayo
Both TJD and Bam Adebayo are listed at 6'9" (Undersized 5) and with a wingspan of 7'1".
Both can operate in the paint, offensively.
Both can play point-forward/center and lead the break.
Both can defend the paint / block shots.
Both don't and can't shoot the 3 (Bam's career 3 point % average is a measly 13%).
Both are athletic/rim-runners.
Both are underrated playmakers.
Only things that Bam has over TJD is his mid-range shots and playing experience.

Now, I know this isn't a fair assessment to compare a pro career (Bam) to a college bball career (TJD). But consider the best and worst case. Obviously, for TJD, it's all about seeing if his college bball skills actually does translate into the pros. And if he can put in the work to understand and tweak his (bad) habits/mistakes and improve them -- if possible. I think if TJD wants to succeed and extend his playing career, he may or should consider watching Bam's game and model after him to fit in the modern NBA (And maybe improve his perimeter skills, though don't think it'll be as necessary), then we'd make away as happy bandits.

[ILOVEIT]

He looks great in the highlights...but make sure you see a full game touches which shows him missing shots at the rim and sort of bricking shots towards the basket. His offense is really rough at times.

Worse case, he reminds me a bit of Todd Fuller....big plodding lefty. Good news is he's a bit quicker with a ton more aggression.
Best case, just a beast wrecking havoc on the boards. A Draymond like high IQ passer and a much better shot blocker.

[Upperclass]

Jaylin Williams was such an obvious pick last year over PBJ and then they wouldnt have had to potentially depend on a 57 pick to contribute(I think he will but still)

[Old_Blue]

Folks are jumping on the TJD bandwagon so quickly, I wonder if they're giving fair due to what the team gave up to acquire him. In his limited run last season, I thought PBJ looked like he had a nice upside. A potentially shiny object who was cost controlled at extremely reasonable terms for the next 3 seasons. Now, you would think the Dubs should have been able to acquire the #57 pick in the original CP3/Poole deal. Seriously, a deal involving CP3, Poole and a 2030 protected first round pick doesn't die because the Dubs ask for an additional very low second round pick. But, for the Dubs to instead strike a second deal, giving up PBJ for such a low pick (who will presumably be signed to a minimum deal) strikes me as craven. Even after factoring in the luxury tax, PBJ would have cost the Dubs only approximately $4 million more next season over what would be paid in salary and luxury tax for a minimum salary guy. Under this scenario, the Dubs should have been able to have both TJD and PBJ going into next season. Which begs the question...an extended look and ability to further gauge PBJ's upside wasn't worth $4 million?

[Thugleavy34]

Folks are jumping on the TJD bandwagon so quickly, I wonder if they're giving fair due to what the team gave up to acquire him. In his limited run last season, I thought PBJ looked like he had a nice upside. A potentially shiny object who was cost controlled at extremely reasonable terms for the next 3 seasons. Now, you would think the Dubs should have been able to acquire the #57 pick in the original CP3/Poole deal. Seriously, a deal involving CP3, Poole and a 2030 protected first round pick doesn't die because the Dubs ask for an additional very low second round pick. But, for the Dubs to instead strike a second deal, giving up PBJ for such a low pick (who will presumably be signed to a minimum deal) strikes me as craven. Even after factoring in the luxury tax, PBJ would have cost the Dubs only approximately $4 million more next season over what would be paid in salary and luxury tax for a minimum salary guy. Under this scenario, the Dubs should have been able to have both TJD and PBJ going into next season. Which begs the question...PBJ's upside wasn't worth $4 million?

The warriors weren't trading for that pick until TJD was available, and the Wizards knew they wanted him, so they were going to get a young player with potential of their own in return. And regarding the 4 million, it's not about that although it helps. The main thing is that we had no backup center and no money to spend on one. This kid will fill a role immediately, and there's some really nice upside to him as well.

[WarriorGM]

I wasn't thrilled with the idea of giving up PBJ either. I was thinking maybe the salary savings made it compelling but $4m doesn't seem enough let go of PBJ. Only thing I'm left with is they think they didn't have enough slots and time to develop them both. TJD being taken 57th also made me wonder if maybe he'd have gone undrafted and available that route but I guess the front office valued him highly enough that they didn't want to take that chance.

[michaelm]

I wasn't thrilled with the idea of giving up PBJ either. I was thinking maybe the salary savings made it compelling but $4m doesn't seem enough let go of PBJ. Only thing I'm left with is they think they didn't have enough slots and time to develop them both. TJD being taken 57th also made me wonder if maybe he'd have gone undrafted and available that route but I guess the front office valued him highly enough that they didn't want to take that chance.

PBJ looked like a prospect to me, at least a long term useful bench player, and to give him up for a guy who went at 57 seems strange.

The only thing I can postulate is that they are going all in with the vets, and consider PBJ to be too far away from contributing in Curry’s timeline, while TJD has attributes which can be employed immediately, in which case I don’t understand how he was available at 58. Rather late in proceedings to go this way I would have thought but will have no complaints/be very pleased if it works. I already consider the 4th title a bonus, but maybe it could have been two if they had employed their high draft picks differently. I would still like to see Moody and Kuminga work out of course, and there hasn’t been any talk as far as I am aware of trading Moody at least.

[xdrta+]

Folks are jumping on the TJD bandwagon so quickly, I wonder if they're giving fair due to what the team gave up to acquire him. In his limited run last season, I thought PBJ looked like he had a nice upside. A potentially shiny object who was cost controlled at extremely reasonable terms for the next 3 seasons. Now, you would think the Dubs should have been able to acquire the #57 pick in the original CP3/Poole deal. Seriously, a deal involving CP3, Poole and a 2030 protected first round pick doesn't die because the Dubs ask for an additional very low second round pick. But, for the Dubs to instead strike a second deal, giving up PBJ for such a low pick (who will presumably be signed to a minimum deal) strikes me as craven. Even after factoring in the luxury tax, PBJ would have cost the Dubs only approximately $4 million more next season over what would be paid in salary and luxury tax for a minimum salary guy. Under this scenario, the Dubs should have been able to have both TJD and PBJ going into next season. Which begs the question...an extended look and ability to further gauge PBJ's upside wasn't worth $4 million?

That's not how it worked. PBJ was included in the original deal. They bought the #57 pick for cash in a separate deal.

[BayAreaDub]

Folks are jumping on the TJD bandwagon so quickly, I wonder if they're giving fair due to what the team gave up to acquire him. In his limited run last season, I thought PBJ looked like he had a nice upside. A potentially shiny object who was cost controlled at extremely reasonable terms for the next 3 seasons. Now, you would think the Dubs should have been able to acquire the #57 pick in the original CP3/Poole deal. Seriously, a deal involving CP3, Poole and a 2030 protected first round pick doesn't die because the Dubs ask for an additional very low second round pick. But, for the Dubs to instead strike a second deal, giving up PBJ for such a low pick (who will presumably be signed to a minimum deal) strikes me as craven. Even after factoring in the luxury tax, PBJ would have cost the Dubs only approximately $4 million more next season over what would be paid in salary and luxury tax for a minimum salary guy. Under this scenario, the Dubs should have been able to have both TJD and PBJ going into next season. Which begs the question...an extended look and ability to further gauge PBJ's upside wasn't worth $4 million?

That's not how it worked. PBJ was included in the original deal. They bought the #57 pick for cash in a separate deal.

Pretty sure you’re wrong. That or Shams reported it incorrectly.

Also don’t believe you can trade picks for cash anymore.

[CDM_Stats]

Folks are jumping on the TJD bandwagon so quickly, I wonder if they're giving fair due to what the team gave up to acquire him. In his limited run last season, I thought PBJ looked like he had a nice upside. A potentially shiny object who was cost controlled at extremely reasonable terms for the next 3 seasons. Now, you would think the Dubs should have been able to acquire the #57 pick in the original CP3/Poole deal. Seriously, a deal involving CP3, Poole and a 2030 protected first round pick doesn't die because the Dubs ask for an additional very low second round pick. But, for the Dubs to instead strike a second deal, giving up PBJ for such a low pick (who will presumably be signed to a minimum deal) strikes me as craven. Even after factoring in the luxury tax, PBJ would have cost the Dubs only approximately $4 million more next season over what would be paid in salary and luxury tax for a minimum salary guy. Under this scenario, the Dubs should have been able to have both TJD and PBJ going into next season. Which begs the question...an extended look and ability to further gauge PBJ's upside wasn't worth $4 million?

That's not how it worked. PBJ was included in the original deal. They bought the #57 pick for cash in a separate deal.

Pretty sure you’re wrong. That or Shams reported it incorrectly.

Also don’t believe you can trade picks for cash anymore.

No its correct, Shams reported them separately but at the same time, so the two ideas got conflated

Although it is technically possible that they were *actually* traded for each other, but the official way it went down was to put PBJ in the big deal and do the 2nd rder for cash, just to make things cleaner. That way the W's have instant rights to TJD instead of having to wait a couple weeks for the Beal/CP3/Poole deal to go down

Could also explain the pivot from the Wiz originally asking for 19 to being satisfied with a heavily protected 1st next decade.. PBJ's an otherwise solid Channing Frye like prospect, is still young and might even wind up the most helpful part of the trade for the Wiz (not unlike Ekpe Udoh in the Monta deal)

Absolutely can still trade cash for picks, it just isn't believed to be true anymore because the prices have skyrocketed compared to 5 years ago. Lakers paid 4m to move up from 47 to 40 pre-draft, and I think teams are only allowed to use something like 5-6m in "cash considerations" per season

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

They are acting like TDJ did not cost anything.
We just lost PBJ our stretch big of the future.
I like the trade but PBJ isn’t nothing.

[xdrta+]

That's not how it worked. PBJ was included in the original deal. They bought the #57 pick for cash in a separate deal.

Pretty sure you’re wrong. That or Shams reported it incorrectly.

Also don’t believe you can trade picks for cash anymore.

You may be thinking of the new CBA. Teams over the second Apron (Warriors) won't be able to include cash in trades, which means no buying picks.

As for the trade, you can always go to the source.

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[tarantism]

Seems like he will be a nice fit in the high post setting up the shooters or running splits with the 2nd unit. With the way some have talked about his playmaking, he should also be a factor on the short roll hitting the corner man either in the spot or on a hard backside cut. I could see him having some success with Chris Paul.

He's the 57th pick, but certainly sounds like a nice fit here, and anywhere that asks bigs to be playmakers. Makes me wonder why he fell so far. A combo of rim protection, rim pressure and playmaking is rare.

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[Mac1958]

I dont think we'll see him much, if at all, at PF..

I wonder if that could change in the post Big 3 years, if we get a center who can play more on the perimeter.