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It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated

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Post#81 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:12 am

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Onus wrote:He was able to get up 7 a game in summer league and o thought he could’ve taken more.


As the first option. But bigger issue is that it seems Kerr is penciling in podz as the starter. Which leaves us with no bench pg, no defense, and more small ball.

I'd expect Podz will still be the bench pg. Curry is going to get taken out early and podz will run the team and then curry will come back in at end of quarters hopefully. But yea Podz is going to get 30 mpg most likely. If you're worried about small ball then Draymond is small for his position by like 3". TJD is small for his position by like 3". Podz is small for a 2 guard by like 2". I mean ideally Moody would be good enough to take the starting sg spot but he's only taller than Podz by .75", and sure his wingspan makes up for that but Podz rebounds and is willing to fight downlow so whatever. Podz doesn't really play small.


If podz is starting, tjd or wiggins won't be.

Steph and podz is a short back court with an even shorter wingspan. Teams will just shoot over them. Jk's is just under 7ft as well. Dray, wiggins, and tjd all have 7+ wingspans, so I'm not concerned about their lack of height.

If podz starts, that would put wiggins back at poa with steph, podz, or jk having to be the primary perimeter help defender which all 3 struggle with. That's alot to put on dray. You can probably get away with it for the first 3 quarters, but it's in the 4th we will get into trouble. Teams actually hunt and plan at that point.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#82 » by Onus » Fri Aug 30, 2024 3:40 am

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As the first option. But bigger issue is that it seems Kerr is penciling in podz as the starter. Which leaves us with no bench pg, no defense, and more small ball.

I'd expect Podz will still be the bench pg. Curry is going to get taken out early and podz will run the team and then curry will come back in at end of quarters hopefully. But yea Podz is going to get 30 mpg most likely. If you're worried about small ball then Draymond is small for his position by like 3". TJD is small for his position by like 3". Podz is small for a 2 guard by like 2". I mean ideally Moody would be good enough to take the starting sg spot but he's only taller than Podz by .75", and sure his wingspan makes up for that but Podz rebounds and is willing to fight downlow so whatever. Podz doesn't really play small.


If podz is starting, tjd or wiggins won't be.

Steph and podz is a short back court with an even shorter wingspan. Teams will just shoot over them. Jk's is just under 7ft as well. Dray, wiggins, and tjd all have 7+ wingspans, so I'm not concerned about their lack of height.

If podz starts, that would put wiggins back at poa with steph, podz, or jk having to be the primary perimeter help defender which all 3 struggle with. That's alot to put on dray. You can probably get away with it for the first 3 quarters, but it's in the 4th we will get into trouble. Teams actually hunt and plan at that point.

I think it’s hilarious that you’re more worried about podz starting than about jk starting. Jk starting causes much more harm to the team and weakens the defense and puts people out of position to do so. And you’re blaming podz for Wiggins or tjd not starting. This is some crazy mental gymnastics you’re doing.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

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Onus wrote:I'd expect Podz will still be the bench pg. Curry is going to get taken out early and podz will run the team and then curry will come back in at end of quarters hopefully. But yea Podz is going to get 30 mpg most likely. If you're worried about small ball then Draymond is small for his position by like 3". TJD is small for his position by like 3". Podz is small for a 2 guard by like 2". I mean ideally Moody would be good enough to take the starting sg spot but he's only taller than Podz by .75", and sure his wingspan makes up for that but Podz rebounds and is willing to fight downlow so whatever. Podz doesn't really play small.


If podz is starting, tjd or wiggins won't be.

Steph and podz is a short back court with an even shorter wingspan. Teams will just shoot over them. Jk's is just under 7ft as well. Dray, wiggins, and tjd all have 7+ wingspans, so I'm not concerned about their lack of height.

If podz starts, that would put wiggins back at poa with steph, podz, or jk having to be the primary perimeter help defender which all 3 struggle with. That's alot to put on dray. You can probably get away with it for the first 3 quarters, but it's in the 4th we will get into trouble. Teams actually hunt and plan at that point.

I think it’s hilarious that you’re more worried about podz starting than about jk starting. Jk starting causes much more harm to the team and weakens the defense and puts people out of position to do so. And you’re blaming podz for Wiggins or tjd not starting. This is some crazy mental gymnastics you’re doing.


Not what I'd do, but I'm pretty sure jk is locked into a starting spot. They are going to give him every opportunity to show he can be that guy. Wins and losses won't matter to them.

I wouldn't start podz nor jk.
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Post#84 » by Mac1958 » Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:43 am

I look at Podz as one of the few upper-level glue guys.

Will he ever average 25/7/7? I doubt it. But will the team be significantly better with him on the floor than with him off the floor? Will he be responsible for wins based on smarts and effort? Would he be a valuable piece on any team? Will we thank our lucky stars we got him at that slot in the draft? Yeah, I definitely think that's possible.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#85 » by Onus » Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:52 pm

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If podz is starting, tjd or wiggins won't be.

Steph and podz is a short back court with an even shorter wingspan. Teams will just shoot over them. Jk's is just under 7ft as well. Dray, wiggins, and tjd all have 7+ wingspans, so I'm not concerned about their lack of height.

If podz starts, that would put wiggins back at poa with steph, podz, or jk having to be the primary perimeter help defender which all 3 struggle with. That's alot to put on dray. You can probably get away with it for the first 3 quarters, but it's in the 4th we will get into trouble. Teams actually hunt and plan at that point.

I think it’s hilarious that you’re more worried about podz starting than about jk starting. Jk starting causes much more harm to the team and weakens the defense and puts people out of position to do so. And you’re blaming podz for Wiggins or tjd not starting. This is some crazy mental gymnastics you’re doing.


Not what I'd do, but I'm pretty sure jk is locked into a starting spot. They are going to give him every opportunity to show he can be that guy. Wins and losses won't matter to them.

I wouldn't start podz nor jk.

Podz starting has no effect on Wiggins or TJD and yet you're placing blame on Podz for TJD or Wiggins not starting. JK starting directly affects either TJD or Wiggins. Your frustrations start there.
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Post#86 » by EvanZ » Fri Aug 30, 2024 5:17 pm

This team has big problems, no pun. They cannot start JK, Draymond and another big. But they need to start JK or it's going to cause team-wide problems. It will be a headache. They could try starting JK at the 4 and Draymond at the 5 but good luck doing that for an entire season. Draymond won't like it and can't handle it. They could try starting JK at the 4 and TJD or Looney at the 5, but...LOL nope.

The team is not constructed well. There are way too many smalls and no bigs that can shoot (**** if only we had a way to get someone like that hmmm). Instead we will almost 100% see lineups like this that are quite literally vomit-inducing:

Steph
Podz
Hield
Melton
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God help us all to not go blind by December watching this.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#87 » by Onus » Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:57 pm

EvanZ wrote:This team has big problems, no pun. They cannot start JK, Draymond and another big. But they need to start JK or it's going to cause team-wide problems. It will be a headache. They could try starting JK at the 4 and Draymond at the 5 but good luck doing that for an entire season. Draymond won't like it and can't handle it. They could try starting JK at the 4 and TJD or Looney at the 5, but...LOL nope.

The team is not constructed well. There are way too many smalls and no bigs that can shoot (**** if only we had a way to get someone like that hmmm). Instead we will almost 100% see lineups like this that are quite literally vomit-inducing:

Steph
Podz
Hield
Melton
GPII

God help us all to not go blind by December watching this.

Jk really doesn’t fit without a stretch big, which is why he should’ve been traded. Whatever. Well just watch Kerr fumble the lineups all year
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Post#88 » by ILOVEIT » Tue Sep 3, 2024 9:40 pm

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AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:If he can somehow develop as a premiere perimeter defender, we'd have the next coming of Jason Kidd on our hands. Right now, he can rebound well for his size, make the crafty passes and score okay.


Jason Kidd, despite being a POS for many reasons, was one of the best true point guards in league history.. Podz is not even a full-time PG. A comp that I think Evan threw out was one of the more likely outcomes - DDV (at least in terms of impact). Hard to find a real direct comparison for Podz because not only is he a weird archetype, one of his biggest strengths (rebounding) is highlighted in the Warriors switch-heavy system that relies on everyone to crash the boards

When I run his regular stats through models to find historical comparisons, it mostly comes out as good-passing forwards :dontknow:


So we aren't able to use the eye test to make comparisons? I think I was one of the first to compare him to Jason kid. The reason was Podz NBA strength and tenacity for making junk yard dog plays to help the team win. Jason Kid was not a sleeper pick for sure but he couldn't shoot much - and never really could. But he was tough and physical with incredible passing and defense tenacity.

The ultra hyped case for Podz is Jason Kid and Steve Nash. I see Podz as an UNPROVEN version of what those two offered. Remember that Steve was barely staying in the NBA for a few years.

IF Podz lives up to Lacob's hype, I think he'll become a hybrid of the two above - and yes - even if he's just a regular very good NBA player.
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Post#89 » by ILOVEIT » Tue Sep 3, 2024 9:42 pm

Btw, I STILL can't figure out why James Wiseman sucks lol
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Post#90 » by CDM_Stats » Tue Sep 3, 2024 10:31 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:So we aren't able to use the eye test to make comparisons? I think I was one of the first to compare him to Jason kid. The reason was Podz NBA strength and tenacity for making junk yard dog plays to help the team win. Jason Kid was not a sleeper pick for sure but he couldn't shoot much - and never really could. But he was tough and physical with incredible passing and defense tenacity.

The ultra hyped case for Podz is Jason Kid and Steve Nash. I see Podz as an UNPROVEN version of what those two offered. Remember that Steve was barely staying in the NBA for a few years.

IF Podz lives up to Lacob's hype, I think he'll become a hybrid of the two above - and yes - even if he's just a regular very good NBA player.


Steve Nash and Jason Kidd are two of the best all-time passers at the PG position. The OP said that Podz was some defensive improvement away from being the next Jason Kidd. I went to the same school as that guy, twice.. not even in high school did Podz and Kidd play similar basketball. If you want to say they both rebound well, cool, leave it at that
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Post#91 » by Jester_ » Tue Sep 3, 2024 10:47 pm

EvanZ wrote:This team has big problems, no pun. They cannot start JK, Draymond and another big. But they need to start JK or it's going to cause team-wide problems. It will be a headache. They could try starting JK at the 4 and Draymond at the 5 but good luck doing that for an entire season. Draymond won't like it and can't handle it. They could try starting JK at the 4 and TJD or Looney at the 5, but...LOL nope.

The team is not constructed well. There are way too many smalls and no bigs that can shoot (**** if only we had a way to get someone like that hmmm). Instead we will almost 100% see lineups like this that are quite literally vomit-inducing:

Steph
Podz
Hield
Melton
GPII

God help us all to not go blind by December watching this.


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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#92 » by whatisacenter » Tue Sep 3, 2024 10:50 pm

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ILOVEIT wrote:So we aren't able to use the eye test to make comparisons? I think I was one of the first to compare him to Jason kid. The reason was Podz NBA strength and tenacity for making junk yard dog plays to help the team win. Jason Kid was not a sleeper pick for sure but he couldn't shoot much - and never really could. But he was tough and physical with incredible passing and defense tenacity.

The ultra hyped case for Podz is Jason Kid and Steve Nash. I see Podz as an UNPROVEN version of what those two offered. Remember that Steve was barely staying in the NBA for a few years.

IF Podz lives up to Lacob's hype, I think he'll become a hybrid of the two above - and yes - even if he's just a regular very good NBA player.


Steve Nash and Jason Kidd are two of the best all-time passers at the PG position. The OP said that Podz was some defensive improvement away from being the next Jason Kidd. I went to the same school as that guy, twice.. not even in high school did Podz and Kidd play similar basketball. If you want to say they both rebound well, cool, leave it at that


Yeah, Kidd and Nash were both pure point guards while we are hoping Podz, who is a combo guard, can run the second unit effectively.

Don't get the comparison at all.
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Post#93 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Sep 4, 2024 4:44 am

Jk is a prime kobe comp. And podz is a prime Nash and kidd comp.

Does Vegas have us the favorites to win the chip this year?
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Post#94 » by Jester_ » Wed Sep 4, 2024 12:43 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Jk is a prime kobe comp. And podz is a prime Nash and kidd comp.

Does Vegas have us the favorites to win the chip this year?


nah cuz we lost out on bruno cabolco who is prime lamar odom
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Post#95 » by clyde21 » Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:10 am

ILOVEIT wrote:Btw, I STILL can't figure out why James Wiseman sucks lol


wasn't hard to figure out, dude's soft while being positionally locked at the 5, terrible combination for a center prospect. there are smaller technical things as well that don't make it any easier on him like having terrible hands.
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Post#96 » by clyde21 » Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:15 am

as for the thread, yes Podz is pretty overrated at this point. not that he can't be a nice player but I'd sell high personally. probably is outside of him and Steph we don't have any ball handlers.

our biggest roster question remains at the front court like Evan ^ above said. our two best bigs (Dray and TJD) are not a good fit next to each other. JK+Dray at the front court is fine in small doses but is not something you can scale, same with JK+TJD. Loon also poses a lot of the same problems.

we'd need a miracle from Post or a Lauri trade to unlock our roster but as it stands right now this team has a hard ceiling regardless of how well Steph plays or how JK/Moody develop.
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Post#97 » by Jax_23 » Sat Oct 19, 2024 9:41 am

ILOVEIT wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:If he can somehow develop as a premiere perimeter defender, we'd have the next coming of Jason Kidd on our hands. Right now, he can rebound well for his size, make the crafty passes and score okay.


Jason Kidd, despite being a POS for many reasons, was one of the best true point guards in league history.. Podz is not even a full-time PG. A comp that I think Evan threw out was one of the more likely outcomes - DDV (at least in terms of impact). Hard to find a real direct comparison for Podz because not only is he a weird archetype, one of his biggest strengths (rebounding) is highlighted in the Warriors switch-heavy system that relies on everyone to crash the boards

When I run his regular stats through models to find historical comparisons, it mostly comes out as good-passing forwards :dontknow:


So we aren't able to use the eye test to make comparisons? I think I was one of the first to compare him to Jason kid. The reason was Podz NBA strength and tenacity for making junk yard dog plays to help the team win. Jason Kid was not a sleeper pick for sure but he couldn't shoot much - and never really could. But he was tough and physical with incredible passing and defense tenacity.

The ultra hyped case for Podz is Jason Kid and Steve Nash. I see Podz as an UNPROVEN version of what those two offered. Remember that Steve was barely staying in the NBA for a few years.

IF Podz lives up to Lacob's hype, I think he'll become a hybrid of the two above - and yes - even if he's just a regular very good NBA player.


JASON KIDD???????? STEVE NASH?????????? 2 PG GOATS who were wizards with the ball? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dude is so overrated, and I think he's a decent player. He doesn't do anything great. He is the definition of a role player - which is why he should be valued as such. Some fans have this fantasy that if a player is young, their ceiling is high. No, some players are young and have a low ceiling no matter what. He's not super athletic, he's never gonna be a go-to scorer, he can't create his own shot very well consistently, etc. There's nothing dominant about his game. Whereas other stars you can point to skills they're dominant at. Curry - godlike shooter, Klay elite shooter, Draymond DPOY, Jason Kidd & Steve Nash elite PG generals and passers and Nash elite shooter, etc. Jason Kidd & Draymond also super elite bball IQ. BP is SOLID. That's it. His bball iq is already high, meaning he's not gonna "figure it out" and that's gonna unleash his skill.

His ceiling = Donte DiVincenzo

Whereas, Kuminga is kinda the opposite. If/when he figures out how good he can be, that he can beat anyone 1v1, he's gonna be scary good.

JK ceiling = Dominique Wilkins








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Post#98 » by WarriorGM » Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:14 am

Brandin is probably being overrated but calling his ceiling Donte DiVincenzo is underrating him. Brandin led the team last year in plus-minus. That's pretty remarkable and more than what Donte did while on the team.
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Post#99 » by floppymoose » Sat Oct 19, 2024 12:09 pm

Podz was subbing for Klay a bunch. That juiced his +- some. This year he isnt platooned with with Klay, so the raw +- should be more realistic.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#100 » by WarriorGM » Sat Oct 19, 2024 12:25 pm

floppymoose wrote:Podz was subbing for Klay a bunch. That juiced his +- some. This year he isnt platooned with with Klay, so the raw +- should be more realistic.


In other words the rookie was outperforming Klay significantly. Sure it wasn't prime Klay—but still. In this last preseason game Podz led the team in plus-minus with something like +39 in 21 minutes. I'm very skeptical that will translate nearly as well against stronger opposition but it does show that his playmaking abilities with solid teammates are potent against weaker teams. He looks great to have on a second unit.

I actually wonder if playing with the likes of Podz and Spencer in practice give a boost to the other players in developing and adjusting to the system. This group seems to have pretty quickly adapted to the more fluid playing style.

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