Twinkie defense wrote:If Pels wanted to reset with Kuminga and the Warriors aren't banking on extending him I would flip him for Zion... big red flags Zion's weight and injury history but his contract is non-guaranteed...
It is non-guaranteed, but not in the regular sense that the team can decide whether to guaranteed it or not. There are various triggers, related to weight and games played, that guarantee it. And for the three years following this one, the contract becomes fully guaranteed before the seasons begin, depending on the preceding years triggers. So, there is a good deal of risk involved.
Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991 1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS) 2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS) 1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS) 1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS) 2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1) they will have a very hard time keeping him since they don't have full bird rights (sort of like the Donte situation with us) 2) they are an apron team so taking back something less than his small contract that's worthwhile is tricky
They also are playing Rudy and Randle a ton with only Naz as a backup big....
TJD and Lindy for NAW is a rare trade that works contract wise for teams dealing with hard cap and the apron.
1) they will have a very hard time keeping him since they don't have full bird rights (sort of like the Donte situation with us) 2) they are an apron team so taking back something less than his small contract that's worthwhile is tricky
They also are playing Rudy and Randle a ton with only Naz as a backup big....
TJD and Lindy for NAW is a rare trade that works contract wise for teams dealing with hard cap and the apron.
We don't have any room to take more money back
Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991 1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS) 2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS) 1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS) 1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS) 2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1) they will have a very hard time keeping him since they don't have full bird rights (sort of like the Donte situation with us) 2) they are an apron team so taking back something less than his small contract that's worthwhile is tricky They also are playing Rudy and Randle a ton with only Naz as a backup big....
TJD and Lindy for NAW is a rare trade that works contract wise for teams dealing with hard cap and the apron.
We don't have any room to take more money back
Only did the math really quickly but it looked like we would have around 1.3m for a prorated minimum to fill the 14th spot. My bad if it’s incorrect though, blinded by wanting NAW/Wiggins on this team next to Steph
1) they will have a very hard time keeping him since they don't have full bird rights (sort of like the Donte situation with us) 2) they are an apron team so taking back something less than his small contract that's worthwhile is tricky
They also are playing Rudy and Randle a ton with only Naz as a backup big....
TJD and Lindy for NAW is a rare trade that works contract wise for teams dealing with hard cap and the apron.
Lets get wild with defense and expand this with a Pelicans trade:
1) they will have a very hard time keeping him since they don't have full bird rights (sort of like the Donte situation with us) 2) they are an apron team so taking back something less than his small contract that's worthwhile is tricky
They also are playing Rudy and Randle a ton with only Naz as a backup big....
TJD and Lindy for NAW is a rare trade that works contract wise for teams dealing with hard cap and the apron.
Lets get wild with defense and expand this with a Pelicans trade:
The Warriors trading for Schroder was a no brainer when you consider they barely had to give up anything.
Making another trade for a "star" is going to be much more difficult and require losing a current contributor on the roster. The current crop of who's available also give me pause.
Jimmy Butler: Old, often injured and wants an extension. - I would not want to include picks for him and I would probably rather just keep Wiggins on his contract.
Zach Lavine: Horrible contract and often injured.
Zion: Fat and always injured.
Ingram: Often injured and wants an extension.
I think the better option is waiting to see where GS is at closer to the trade deadline and make a trade around the margins for a player like. Kelly O, DFS, etc. Giving up players like Loon and GP2 and not adding future FRP's.
Madvillain been as high as Kathmandu And tilted to the side like that fat man's shoe
1) they will have a very hard time keeping him since they don't have full bird rights (sort of like the Donte situation with us) 2) they are an apron team so taking back something less than his small contract that's worthwhile is tricky
They also are playing Rudy and Randle a ton with only Naz as a backup big....
TJD and Lindy for NAW is a rare trade that works contract wise for teams dealing with hard cap and the apron.
Lets get wild with defense and expand this with a Pelicans trade:
not bad idea, but I'd prefer trey murphy over herb jones in a trade with the pels.
I'm a big Trey fan as well (was my initial pick for #14 that year). But he has a poison pill contract that would make him virtually impossible to trade for.
1) they will have a very hard time keeping him since they don't have full bird rights (sort of like the Donte situation with us) 2) they are an apron team so taking back something less than his small contract that's worthwhile is tricky
They also are playing Rudy and Randle a ton with only Naz as a backup big....
TJD and Lindy for NAW is a rare trade that works contract wise for teams dealing with hard cap and the apron.
Lets get wild with defense and expand this with a Pelicans trade:
1) they will have a very hard time keeping him since they don't have full bird rights (sort of like the Donte situation with us) 2) they are an apron team so taking back something less than his small contract that's worthwhile is tricky
They also are playing Rudy and Randle a ton with only Naz as a backup big....
TJD and Lindy for NAW is a rare trade that works contract wise for teams dealing with hard cap and the apron.
Lets get wild with defense and expand this with a Pelicans trade:
Not sure who Matkovic is, and "picks" might need to be clarified.. but Herb Jones would be a great addition. Only problem is that we've started to really skew defensively and still you bench Hield, who's been fine defensively at the SG slot and unless Schroder's 3pt shot really is around the 38%+ mark, the only legitimately scary 3pt threat the team has outside of Curry
I'd take NAW in your original deal if it works for sure, the Herb one I'd take in lieu of a NAW deal - especially if Kerr is insistent on starting JK otherwise. But not sure I'd take both, and in either scenario, I'd probably have them coming off the bench. NAW would be a bit like Moody in that you'd want him with a more traditional, ball-dominant PG like Schroder. How he'd do in a motion offense is tough to gauge
whatisacenter wrote:The Warriors trading for Schroder was a no brainer when you consider they barely had to give up anything.
Making another trade for a "star" is going to be much more difficult and require losing a current contributor on the roster. The current crop of who's available also give me pause.
Jimmy Butler: Old, often injured and wants an extension. - I would not want to include picks for him and I would probably rather just keep Wiggins on his contract.
Zach Lavine: Horrible contract and often injured.
Zion: Fat and always injured.
Ingram: Often injured and wants an extension.
I think the better option is waiting to see where GS is at closer to the trade deadline and make a trade around the margins for a player like. Kelly O, DFS, etc. Giving up players like Loon and GP2 and not adding future FRP's.
Agreed with all except the last line.. Looney needs to be off the table. There's no way the team is going to get as much value to them coming as going out if Looney goes. Also dont mind 1sts going out as long as its not too far ahead and it fits with the team dynamic. I've seen a lot of Lauri regret here, but cannot have a bad defender (and he is very bad) down low and off-ball. If the team is emptying the war chest, or even just raiding it a bit, the guys have to fit. The only guy listed above who'd fit is Ingram, and how much more of an upgrade over Wiggins is he really?
Find the weakest spots on the team and address those. I'd argue that's wing depth at this time.. beyond that this team that is being assembled like the Chauncey/Ben Pistons is actually pretty nice, at least on paper. Up to the coach to use them in the way that makes most sense. And if that seems like a bad bet, then stand PAT and see what happens. No use throwing assets into the fire if they arent going to be used properly, and Kerr's not going to be around when those picks will have meaning
1) they will have a very hard time keeping him since they don't have full bird rights (sort of like the Donte situation with us) 2) they are an apron team so taking back something less than his small contract that's worthwhile is tricky
They also are playing Rudy and Randle a ton with only Naz as a backup big....
TJD and Lindy for NAW is a rare trade that works contract wise for teams dealing with hard cap and the apron.
This doesn't quite work. There's not enough left to sign a rookie minimum. Rather than clutter the thread I put the numbers beneath the fold for you.
Spoiler:
After the Schroeder trade Warriors have $330,409 space below hard cap.
NAW = $4,312,500 Lindy + TJD = 4,088,827 ______________________________ Warriors take back = +$223,673
hard cap space $330,409 - 223,673 ____________________ Space = $106,736
Even if they wait until the last minute, trade on deadline day, then wait 2 weeks to sign a 14th player, they're a couple hundred thousand short of what they need to sign a pro-rated minimum contract.
Rate for rookie minimum = $6,650 per day # of days from Feb 20 (2 wks after deadline) to season end = 52 contract = $345,800
1) they will have a very hard time keeping him since they don't have full bird rights (sort of like the Donte situation with us) 2) they are an apron team so taking back something less than his small contract that's worthwhile is tricky
They also are playing Rudy and Randle a ton with only Naz as a backup big....
TJD and Lindy for NAW is a rare trade that works contract wise for teams dealing with hard cap and the apron.
This doesn't quite work. There's not enough left to sign a rookie minimum. Rather than clutter the thread I put the numbers beneath the fold for you.
Spoiler:
After the Schroeder trade Warriors have $330,409 space below hard cap.
NAW = $4,312,500 Lindy + TJD = 4,088,827 ______________________________ Warriors take back = +$223,673
hard cap space $330,409 - 223,673 ____________________ Space = $106,736
Even if they wait until the last minute, trade on deadline day, then wait 2 weeks to sign a 14th player, they're a couple hundred thousand short of what they need to sign a pro-rated minimum contract.
Rate for rookie minimum = $6,650 per day # of days from Feb 20 (2 wks after deadline) to season end = 52 contract = $345,800
Thank you. Would require another move prior or in addition. So tricky but possibly doable.
1) they will have a very hard time keeping him since they don't have full bird rights (sort of like the Donte situation with us) 2) they are an apron team so taking back something less than his small contract that's worthwhile is tricky
They also are playing Rudy and Randle a ton with only Naz as a backup big....
TJD and Lindy for NAW is a rare trade that works contract wise for teams dealing with hard cap and the apron.
This doesn't quite work. There's not enough left to sign a rookie minimum. Rather than clutter the thread I put the numbers beneath the fold for you.
Spoiler:
After the Schroeder trade Warriors have $330,409 space below hard cap.
NAW = $4,312,500 Lindy + TJD = 4,088,827 ______________________________ Warriors take back = +$223,673
hard cap space $330,409 - 223,673 ____________________ Space = $106,736
Even if they wait until the last minute, trade on deadline day, then wait 2 weeks to sign a 14th player, they're a couple hundred thousand short of what they need to sign a pro-rated minimum contract.
Rate for rookie minimum = $6,650 per day # of days from Feb 20 (2 wks after deadline) to season end = 52 contract = $345,800
Thank you. Would require another move prior or in addition. So tricky but possibly doable.
Just spitballing, but if the Pistons were willing to trade Sasser for Moody (they arent, most likely) then it could be do-able
I loved the Moody extension at the time but unless his play picks up when he gets back.. might hamstring the team. I suppose the team could try and trade GP2 as well but he provides enough value on court that we'd be hoping to break even.
Which only leaves one Carrot Toppy SG as an option for sweetner that wouldnt negatively affect the team. And yes, I would absolutely consider an overall deal that basically turns Podz/Moody/TJD/Lindy (13.2m, roughly) into NAW and Sasser (6.8), and gives the team 2 open roster spots that they could fill with legitimate veteran minimum deals. Or maybe get the Pistons to include Reed, not sure how that whole cut/re-sign situation affects them
I mean ideally I'd love to get a cheap C instead of Sasser because if the team is opening up a vet FA slot or 2, the market is way heavier with guards (Fultz, DSJ) than bigs (Biyombo, I guess?)
One other team that could be used as a 3rd team to free up money for a move is the Hawks... and more specifically Cody Zeller who hasn't played a minute this year and isn't with the team. He signed a 3/11 deal in the sign and trade for Murray to go sit on his couch until he was eligible to be traded.
Example:
GP2 to Hawks for Zeller TJD/Lindy to Wolves for NAW
May need to add a couple 2nds... maybe the one we just got in the Schroder deal + one from Hawks since we are ridding them of their ridiculous Zeller situation.
that's worthwhile is tricky 
