JK: Who's Fault Is it?

[AirP.]

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I give Kuminga a pass for the first year, year and a half maybe. He has to be held accountable for his lack of growth as he has not adapted his game to what the Dubs need from him. Maybe he's thinking too much about the contract but it seems when he''s on the court, his focus is to get his and not do what is best for the team.
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Another thing is his defense and rebounding. His on-ball D is ok most of the times when he's not reaching or jumping at every pump fake, but his team D and rotations are horrible. When it comes to rebounding, Curry should never be a better rebounder than a guy who is 6'8", 225 to 230 with above-average leaping ability.

Kuminga has the tools to be great if he ever puts it together but I don't think he can do that with the Dubs.

I wouldn't say great because I don't see him anywhere near a top 20 player in the league at his peak.

Since I've decided to follow Butler, I've seen a situation like this. Andrew Wiggins was one of these players, ownership pushed the coaching staff to hand him minutes (which they did), the owner personally gave him a max contract and soon after figured out it was a mistake and sent him with a trade asset (who became Kuminga) to GS to bring in D-Lo (and filler) who was great friends with Towns (that didn't work either). For Wiggins, It took some humbling like a trade and obviously not being a top talent on the team before he started playing witin his skill set vs being a top option he wanted to be.

Kuminga needs to have his ego put in check and that's not happening in Golden State. Kerr is trying to do it while the owner seems to be sending different signals to Kuminga (basically wait your turn), I wouldn't doubt this owner resigns Kuminga with an understanding with Kuminga's camp to wait his turn for a couple of seasons (maybe put Kuminga in a 6th man scorers role but paid as a young star) for Curry to retire and then hand over the reins to Kuminga. If that's the plan by ownership... and it doesn't work out you not only lose Curry, Butler and Draymond all at once, you don't even get all their cap space to use because now Kuminga will be eating up a good chunk and possibly give ownership 1 year of him as a starter or top player to decide if they're going to extend him on his 3rd contract or possibly lose him for nothing in FA after his 4th year of his deal is up (I'm expecting this 2nd deal to be 3-4 years and probably having a player's option to entice him to sign it).

About eating a cap…140mln for 3 +35y players is disaster incoming. This is written on the wall that this team is max 2nd exit, b/c no role players will help these grandpa’s

This team did nothing to shape the roster after adding Butler (he works well with 3pt shooters surrounding him, a more developed Post fixes part of that next year), they'll have the chance to do that this summer. I expect a much better fitting team next year with the younger players developing some guys like Podz and Post and the addition of players they know they need to go with Curry, Butler and Draymond.

Personally, I think Curry and Butler will still be high level players their whole contracts (2 more years) and possibly a year or 2 more past that. Draymond may need to have his minutes reduced which also means going to the bench so he doesn't wear down which also means the ability to start a center with size and add a shooting PF.

Golden State is in the situation of being near the end game of a great player like Curry and you should try to stay in contention status with him which also means some dark days are coming but hopefully only 1-2 years before a solid rebuild is going.

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Spoiler:

I give Kuminga a pass for the first year, year and a half maybe. He has to be held accountable for his lack of growth as he has not adapted his game to what the Dubs need from him. Maybe he's thinking too much about the contract but it seems when he''s on the court, his focus is to get his and not do what is best for the team.

Another thing is his defense and rebounding. His on-ball D is ok most of the times when he's not reaching or jumping at every pump fake, but his team D and rotations are horrible. When it comes to rebounding, Curry should never be a better rebounder than a guy who is 6'8", 225 to 230 with above-average leaping ability.

Kuminga has the tools to be great if he ever puts it together but I don't think he can do that with the Dubs.

I wouldn't say great because I don't see him anywhere near a top 20 player in the league at his peak.

Since I've decided to follow Butler, I've seen a situation like this. Andrew Wiggins was one of these players, ownership pushed the coaching staff to hand him minutes (which they did), the owner personally gave him a max contract and soon after figured out it was a mistake and sent him with a trade asset (who became Kuminga) to GS to bring in D-Lo (and filler) who was great friends with Towns (that didn't work either). For Wiggins, It took some humbling like a trade and obviously not being a top talent on the team before he started playing witin his skill set vs being a top option he wanted to be.

Kuminga needs to have his ego put in check and that's not happening in Golden State. Kerr is trying to do it while the owner seems to be sending different signals to Kuminga (basically wait your turn), I wouldn't doubt this owner resigns Kuminga with an understanding with Kuminga's camp to wait his turn for a couple of seasons (maybe put Kuminga in a 6th man scorers role but paid as a young star) for Curry to retire and then hand over the reins to Kuminga. If that's the plan by ownership... and it doesn't work out you not only lose Curry, Butler and Draymond all at once, you don't even get all their cap space to use because now Kuminga will be eating up a good chunk and possibly give ownership 1 year of him as a starter or top player to decide if they're going to extend him on his 3rd contract or possibly lose him for nothing in FA after his 4th year of his deal is up (I'm expecting this 2nd deal to be 3-4 years and probably having a player's option to entice him to sign it).

Wiggins got all the minutes and usage he could want, on a horrible team, with no pressure or expectations. He still failed and got handed a max on a handshake that he'd try harder it was a joke, from the very beginning.

JK did not get any runway and is at ~half the minutes of the kids he got drafted with after 4 years. That's not surprising considering they won the title and got to the 2nd round twice in those 4 years and the other teams were hot garbage.

No one is advocating for signing him to the max or giving him the keys to the offense. I'm saying two things:

1. they should have played him a lot more than they did with Steph and dray, most particularly, with podz and either moody or buddy.
2. They shouldn't trade him for picks or a bench level contributor as he already showed us he can contribute to this roster at a high level.

That second part is what the lineup data is telling me but seems to be most controversial to the board.

If I had my way, id sign him for 5/100-125 and start him next year as my 5 and hope to upgrade the podz spots (Melton and tyus Jones as cheap options, Brogdon or Bruce Brown the expensive ones, JJJ/Derrick White the impossible dream).

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

I give Kuminga a pass for the first year, year and a half maybe. He has to be held accountable for his lack of growth as he has not adapted his game to what the Dubs need from him. Maybe he's thinking too much about the contract but it seems when he''s on the court, his focus is to get his and not do what is best for the team.

Another thing is his defense and rebounding. His on-ball D is ok most of the times when he's not reaching or jumping at every pump fake, but his team D and rotations are horrible. When it comes to rebounding, Curry should never be a better rebounder than a guy who is 6'8", 225 to 230 with above-average leaping ability.

Kuminga has the tools to be great if he ever puts it together but I don't think he can do that with the Dubs.

I wouldn't say great because I don't see him anywhere near a top 20 player in the league at his peak.

Since I've decided to follow Butler, I've seen a situation like this. Andrew Wiggins was one of these players, ownership pushed the coaching staff to hand him minutes (which they did), the owner personally gave him a max contract and soon after figured out it was a mistake and sent him with a trade asset (who became Kuminga) to GS to bring in D-Lo (and filler) who was great friends with Towns (that didn't work either). For Wiggins, It took some humbling like a trade and obviously not being a top talent on the team before he started playing witin his skill set vs being a top option he wanted to be.

Kuminga needs to have his ego put in check and that's not happening in Golden State. Kerr is trying to do it while the owner seems to be sending different signals to Kuminga (basically wait your turn), I wouldn't doubt this owner resigns Kuminga with an understanding with Kuminga's camp to wait his turn for a couple of seasons (maybe put Kuminga in a 6th man scorers role but paid as a young star) for Curry to retire and then hand over the reins to Kuminga. If that's the plan by ownership... and it doesn't work out you not only lose Curry, Butler and Draymond all at once, you don't even get all their cap space to use because now Kuminga will be eating up a good chunk and possibly give ownership 1 year of him as a starter or top player to decide if they're going to extend him on his 3rd contract or possibly lose him for nothing in FA after his 4th year of his deal is up (I'm expecting this 2nd deal to be 3-4 years and probably having a player's option to entice him to sign it).

Wiggins got all the minutes and usage he could want, on a horrible team, with no pressure or expectations. He still failed and got handed a max on a handshake that he'd try harder it was a joke, from the very beginning.

JK did not get any runway and is at ~half the minutes of the kids he got drafted with after 4 years. That's not surprising considering they won the title and got to the 2nd round twice in those 4 years and the other teams were hot garbage.

No one is advocating for signing him to the max or giving him the keys to the offense. I'm saying two things:

1. they should have played him a lot more than they did with Steph and dray, most particularly, with podz and either moody or buddy.
2. They shouldn't trade him for picks or a bench level contributor as he already showed us he can contribute to this roster at a high level.

That second part is what the lineup data is telling me but seems to be most controversial to the board.

If I had my way, id sign him for 5/100-125 and start him next year as my 5 and hope to upgrade the podz spots (Melton and tyus Jones as cheap options, Brogdon or Bruce Brown the expensive ones, JJJ/Derrick White the impossible dream).

20 mil I'm good with it, 25 mil I start to get nervous, going higher if he doesn't do well, it's not just a throw in contract down the road to move him with assets for something better.

I'd try to get Tyus as a backup PG, see if Butler make a phone call for you.

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Melton would be a great option.
Brogden has had an injury plagued career, if you can get him cheap I guess you chance it.

Bruce Brown, he is a great switchable defender. He played center in Brooklyn which allows Kerr to stay with small ball or be even more flexible with the lineups.