Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[HiRez]

I still like Suggs, but if you're talking about sending Poole and Moody out for another guard I'd rather snag Haliburton, even if it costs us a pick, since we don't need more young guys to develop for a while anyway.

[Commodor]

Agree with your assessment, but now you're getting out of a trade for (just) Moody, IMO. Also, Fultz IS a big, strong PG and plays very physically. Suggs clearly doesn't mind mixing it up either...I really like Moody, but of the ORL guards we're discussing, even Cole might be an overpay-at least at this point in Moody's development. Cole has been afforded a lot more opportunity but he has shown exceptional offensive ability and rebounding.

Yeah well a singular trade for Moody alone is tough to figure out because your original post on GSW's roster make up. Not a lot of holes that need urgent filling at the expense of a cost controlled rookie. Kinda of brings us back full circle haha.

[SpreeChokeJob]

I still like Suggs, but if you're talking about sending Poole and Moody out for another guard I'd rather snag Haliburton, even if it costs us a pick, since we don't need more young guys to develop for a while anyway.

Same except not sure about Moody yet because there isn’t enough games to make a judgement.

Poole while good is due up to be paid. Halliburton delays that for one year. Poole can get paid while being the man at the Kings or if he wants to stay on the Warriors and take a team friendly deal.

[FNQ]

Main advantage would be not having to pay Poole but you'd have to pay Anthony in a couple of years.

Of course, it just buys an extra year at rookie contract salary. I’m not terribly interested in giving either a 2nd contract at this stage, so it just extends the life of having a quality 6th man as a guard, except Anthony skews more towards PG while Poole skews SG

And if we flip Cole for a guy with 2 years on his contract when he’s an expiring, cool let’s do that too

But both, Poole especially, should chase big bucks in FA. And we cannot afford a 5th guy making over 20m a season, and I wouldn’t give up on any of the 4 ahead of him. I’d rather sign Wiggins at 30m/yr than Poole at 20

[Commodor]

I still like Suggs, but if you're talking about sending Poole and Moody out for another guard I'd rather snag Haliburton, even if it costs us a pick, since we don't need more young guys to develop for a while anyway.

I like Hali too but my big concerns are that intra-division trades are always tricky and Sac should be building around Hali rather than moving him. It would be interesting though if Sac would entertain Poole & Moody for him. Fits great with Klay or Curry.

[HiRez]

I still like Suggs, but if you're talking about sending Poole and Moody out for another guard I'd rather snag Haliburton, even if it costs us a pick, since we don't need more young guys to develop for a while anyway.

I like Hali too but my big concerns are that intra-division trades are always tricky and Sac should be building around Hali rather than moving him. It would be interesting though if Sac would entertain Poole & Moody for him. Fits great with Klay or Curry.

Yeah, I agree, no idea what they are thinking, but the rumors he's potentially available are persistent. It is the Kings, after all.

[Old_Blue]

Hoopshype is saying that Ibaka, Zubac and Batum are all being made available by the Clippers.

https://hoopshype.com/

Of the three, Batum would be my preference. He's playing well and is under contract for just a smidge over $3 million for the year. The only problem is that a straight swap of JTA for Batum does not work for salary cap purposes. I can't figure out a way to make the deal work without effing up the Warriors' current roster. Batum and Zubac for JTA and Wiseman would work. But, the board would lose its collective $hit if the Warriors did that deal.

[GSWFan1994]

I'd trade Poole straight up for Haliburton withouth blinking an eye.

Poole + Moody is too much, though. Maybe adding a 1st rd pick would be enough.

Haliburton would fit with Moody/Kuminga/Wiseman like a glove.

Haliburton's stats when De'Aaron Fox is out (15 games):

19,6 points
3,5 rebounds
8,9 assists
1,6 steals
49/40/87
35 mpg

source

[wco81]

I'd trade Poole straight up for Haliburton withouth blinking an eye.

Poole + Moody is too much, though. Maybe adding a 1st rd pick would be enough.

Haliburton would fit with Moody/Kuminga/Wiseman like a glove.

Haliburton's stats when De'Aaron Fox is out (15 games):

19,6 points
3,5 rebounds
8,9 assists
1,6 steals
49/40/87
35 mpg

source

It would be a bad move for the Kings. They have too many guards, including guards making too much (Hield) or guards about to get paid.

That's why Mitchell was a questionable pick for them.

I would think if they trade Haliburton, it would be for a front court player. They're probably going to let Bagley, the #2 pick of his draft class, walk for nothing, so they're probably going to want to get a player back.

They'd prefer to get rid of Hield or Barnes before Hali.

I think they already let Bogdanovic go to Atlanta without compensation too.

What a mess.

[HiRez]

I'd trade Poole straight up for Haliburton withouth blinking an eye.

Poole + Moody is too much, though. Maybe adding a 1st rd pick would be enough.

IDK, I'd prefer a pick and keep Moody also but I'd probably add Moody if that gets it done since Haliburton largely makes both Poole and Moody redundant, and along with Klay and GPII there's not enough minutes at SG to go around.

[tarantism]

How would everybody feel about at Wiseman for Wendell Carter trade? WCJ is a nice energy big who rebounds well and can do a bit of everything, and he has nice bounce. He's undersized but makes up for it with effort, and he has a 3pt shot.

Personally I'm on the fence. If Wiseman pans out, he's better than Carter and maybe by a significant margin. Wiseman is younger, has more size and defensive potential. Carter is more expensive but also just signed a very reasonable extension, and he is only about two years older. We also need to consider that Wiseman may be a guy who struggles with injury.

I see arguments for both sides.

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[Commodor]

How would everybody feel about at Wiseman for Wendell Carter trade? WCJ is a nice energy big who rebounds well and can do a bit of everything, and he has nice bounce. He's undersized but makes up for it with effort, and he has a 3pt shot.

Personally I'm on the fence. If Wiseman pans out, he's better than Carter and maybe by a significant margin. Wiseman is younger, has more size and defensive potential. Carter is more expensive but also just signed a very reasonable extension, and he is only about two years older. We also need to consider that Wiseman may be a guy who struggles with injury.

I see arguments for both sides.

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I personally can’t see GSW giving up on Wiseman for anything less than as part of a star trade. Trading for maybe a slight upgrade on Looney probably isn’t on their radar right now.

Value wise it may be around what they could get for Wiseman right now though. ORL probably has to add something on top or expand it a little where GSW receives Anthony and sends back a protected pick and Bjelica to clear a roster spot.

[Scoots1994]

I still like Suggs, but if you're talking about sending Poole and Moody out for another guard I'd rather snag Haliburton, even if it costs us a pick, since we don't need more young guys to develop for a while anyway.

Same except not sure about Moody yet because there isn’t enough games to make a judgement.

Poole while good is due up to be paid. Halliburton delays that for one year. Poole can get paid while being the man at the Kings or if he wants to stay on the Warriors and take a team friendly deal.

Have you watched the GL games? Moody has been coming on stronger week to week. His overall game is better than I expected.

I love Haliburton but I don't really see it happening.

[Scoots1994]

How would everybody feel about at Wiseman for Wendell Carter trade? WCJ is a nice energy big who rebounds well and can do a bit of everything, and he has nice bounce. He's undersized but makes up for it with effort, and he has a 3pt shot.

Personally I'm on the fence. If Wiseman pans out, he's better than Carter and maybe by a significant margin. Wiseman is younger, has more size and defensive potential. Carter is more expensive but also just signed a very reasonable extension, and he is only about two years older. We also need to consider that Wiseman may be a guy who struggles with injury.

I see arguments for both sides.

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I personally can’t see GSW giving up on Wiseman for anything less than as part of a star trade. Trading for maybe a slight upgrade on Looney probably isn’t on their radar right now.

Value wise it may be around what they could get for Wiseman right now though. ORL probably has to add something on top or expand it a little where GSW receives Anthony and sends back a protected pick and Bjelica to clear a roster spot.

The Warriors are the only ones who know what Wiseman has learned, and until they know he physically can't hold up or they see him in full practices I think there is no chance the Warriors move him.

[SpreeChokeJob]

I still like Suggs, but if you're talking about sending Poole and Moody out for another guard I'd rather snag Haliburton, even if it costs us a pick, since we don't need more young guys to develop for a while anyway.

Same except not sure about Moody yet because there isn’t enough games to make a judgement.

Poole while good is due up to be paid. Halliburton delays that for one year. Poole can get paid while being the man at the Kings or if he wants to stay on the Warriors and take a team friendly deal.

Have you watched the GL games? Moody has been coming on stronger week to week. His overall game is better than I expected.

I love Haliburton but I don't really see it happening.

I watched a couple but gave up because it was too disorganized. I don’t take much from a player’s performance down there. To me, it’s just a place for a player to get practice reps and try some new things in a game simulated environment which is useful for young players.

As for Halliburton, doesn’t hurt for them to see if the Kings are interested or start some talks to see where everyone is at. Keeping Poole is okay too. He continues to show improvement and he is up for contract when Klay’s contract expires.

So there is three years the core will compete for championships. After that everyone will start going their separate ways. I just prefer Halliburton on the Warriors more.

[SAKURABA216]

How would everybody feel about at Wiseman for Wendell Carter trade? WCJ is a nice energy big who rebounds well and can do a bit of everything, and he has nice bounce. He's undersized but makes up for it with effort, and he has a 3pt shot.

Personally I'm on the fence. If Wiseman pans out, he's better than Carter and maybe by a significant margin. Wiseman is younger, has more size and defensive potential. Carter is more expensive but also just signed a very reasonable extension, and he is only about two years older. We also need to consider that Wiseman may be a guy who struggles with injury.

I see arguments for both sides.

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I think Bob Meyers would get fired if he traded Wiseman for WCJ. Not that it's a bad trade, but because the Bulls offered the #4 pick + WCJ ahead of the 2020 draft and the Warriors declined. Assuming the Bulls would've still picked Patrick Williams at #2, the Warriors could've had WCJ + Wiseman or WCJ + Lamelo. Trading Wiseman for anything less than a star would be to admit what everyone else already knows, which is that Wiseman was the wrong pick at #2 and that is a massive blunder for any GM to make.

[Scoots1994]

Same except not sure about Moody yet because there isn’t enough games to make a judgement.

Poole while good is due up to be paid. Halliburton delays that for one year. Poole can get paid while being the man at the Kings or if he wants to stay on the Warriors and take a team friendly deal.

Have you watched the GL games? Moody has been coming on stronger week to week. His overall game is better than I expected.

I love Haliburton but I don't really see it happening.

I watched a couple but gave up because it was too disorganized. I don’t take much from a player’s performance down there. To me, it’s just a place for a player to get practice reps and try some new things in a game simulated environment which is useful for young players.

As for Halliburton, doesn’t hurt for them to see if the Kings are interested or start some talks to see where everyone is at. Keeping Poole is okay too. He continues to show improvement and he is up for contract when Klay’s contract expires.

So there is three years the core will compete for championships. After that everyone will start going their separate ways. I just prefer Halliburton on the Warriors more.

On GL, yeah you have to watch several games to see how they grow. That's something we can't see when they are practicing in SF but not playing in games on the TV.

On Haliburton, yeah I'd love to have him on the Warriors, but the Kings have been saying he's a cornerstone of their future so he's going to take an overpay to get him.

[Scoots1994]

I think Bob Meyers would get fired if he traded Wiseman for WCJ. Not that it's a bad trade, but because the Bulls offered the #4 pick + WCJ ahead of the 2020 draft and the Warriors declined. Assuming the Bulls would've still picked Patrick Williams at #2, the Warriors could've had WCJ + Wiseman or WCJ + Lamelo. Trading Wiseman for anything less than a star would be to admit what everyone else already knows, which is that Wiseman was the wrong pick at #2 and that is a massive blunder for any GM to make.

How does "everyone ... already know" when Wiseman hasn't played yet this year? I think there are some very legitimate questions, but we won't know until he plays or if he can't get healthy.

[GSWFan1994]

It would be a bad move for the Kings. They have too many guards, including guards making too much (Hield) or guards about to get paid.

That's why Mitchell was a questionable pick for them.

I would think if they trade Haliburton, it would be for a front court player. They're probably going to let Bagley, the #2 pick of his draft class, walk for nothing, so they're probably going to want to get a player back.

They'd prefer to get rid of Hield or Barnes before Hali.

I think they already let Bogdanovic go to Atlanta without compensation too.

What a mess.

I agree with you. However, please understand I wrote this from the Kings' point of view.

They need to balance out their roster. A guard rotation of Fox/Haliburton/Mitchell is not working, though I think it could if they simply staggered these 3 guys' minutes in a proper way. Haliburton could play on or off the ball.

So, there were news about them wanting to trade Fox and Hield, amongst others (even Barnes and Holmes were mentioned in some reports I read).

By trading Haliburton for Poole, as I mentioned, and then doing a subsequent trade of Hield for a frontcourt player, they would thus balance out this roster.

Bagley would be valuable to someone like the Pistons I think, but he's quickly becoming an afterthought. I think he's redeeemable, though, but that could take a while to happen. He needs to play in very specific lineups to be productive, and that's hard to happen in the nowadays positionless NBA.

They could have fixed some of this in a very simple way... by not drafting Mitchell, instead opting for a frontcourt player. Sengun, for example.

All of these moves would make too much sense for them, I guess. It's the Kings after all, they never seem to have a long term strategy, just that wonderful "let's throw **** at the wall and see if it sticks" approach.

[shazam_guy]

"What everyone knows" = "What a couple of people keep insisting".

Yeah, I'm super convinced.