James Wiseman 2021/2022

[TB]

We have been talking G-League a lot, and that interview really showcased how G-League can be helpful. Wiseman had no problem saying how nervous and uncomfortable he felt early on, so to be able to get through that in a non-NBA game is awesome.

Hopefully he feels even looser and more confident in game 2 and he can join the GSW team right after. Worst case, take a couple more G-League games.... but Loon can really use some rest lol.

[EvanZ]

The only question that matters is when will he be better than Looney, if ever?

[Samurai]

Nice that Wiseman had his own little rooting section there. Rick Celebrini (the team's head of the medical staff) and Milojevic (who coaches primarily our bigs but was really hired to mentor Wiseman) skipped the Denver trip to watch Wiseman in Stockton last night. And Mujtaba Elgoodah (the front office member closest to Wiseman) left his scouting assignment in Dallas to fly to Stockton. Elgoodah was also with Wiseman during both his surgeries. All three were sitting in baseline seats, and when Wiseman grabbed the offensive rebound of his miss and jammed it back home, he let some of his emotions out as he turned to the baseline seats and smiled, flexed, clapped his hands and yelled towards the roof as he ran back on defense. I can only imagine how big the smiles must have been on those three execs when he did that.

[shazam_guy]

I like the kid. I hope people (Warriors fans) give him a chance to find his game after so little playing time over three years plus.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I ddn't think Wiseman will a big upgrade on Bjelica this year. But hopefully by the end of next year Wiseman will have a lot of impact.
Even this year at least Wiseman will be a different look to throw at opposing teams.

[Big J]

I hope Wiseman can turn it around, but I worry that he doesn’t have the same mental toughness as Kuminga & Moody. He was all over the place mentally last year, and Kerr had to tell him to get off of social media because it was affecting him so much.

[Samurai]

I hope Wiseman can turn it around, but I worry that he doesn’t have the same mental toughness as Kuminga & Moody. He was all over the place mentally last year, and Kerr had to tell him to get off of social media because it was affecting him so much.

I may be in the minority here, but I'm less concerned about his "mental toughness", at least for now. We keep talking about last year, when he was 19 years old, no Summer League, no pre-season, etc. Not all 19 year olds develop "mental toughness" at the same level or pace. If he had at least one full year of college, or preferably more, and a few years in the pros, I'd be more concerned. And I don't know what data or metrics we should be looking at to determine one's mental toughness unless we have a close relationship with that person, thus I'm certainly not qualified to make any definitive determinations about his mental toughness or lack thereof. He seems intelligent and shows some degree of perspective in his interviews, so I'm much more interested in how he does next season to see what impact people like Milojevic have had on him and how much he picks up from Dray, Iguodala, etc. than in what he did or did not show last season.

[Big J]

I hope Wiseman can turn it around, but I worry that he doesn’t have the same mental toughness as Kuminga & Moody. He was all over the place mentally last year, and Kerr had to tell him to get off of social media because it was affecting him so much.

I may be in the minority here, but I'm less concerned about his "mental toughness", at least for now. We keep talking about last year, when he was 19 years old, no Summer League, no pre-season, etc. Not all 19 year olds develop "mental toughness" at the same level or pace. If he had at least one full year of college, or preferably more, and a few years in the pros, I'd be more concerned. And I don't know what data or metrics we should be looking at to determine one's mental toughness unless we have a close relationship with that person, thus I'm certainly not qualified to make any definitive determinations about his mental toughness or lack thereof. He seems intelligent and shows some degree of perspective in his interviews, so I'm much more interested in how he does next season to see what impact people like Milojevic have had on him and how much he picks up from Dray, Iguodala, etc. than in what he did or did not show last season.

I think we keep talking about last year because we don’t have anything to go off of for this year. He’s been completely absent due to his injury recovery. There is nothing to observe and comment on for this year, and that’s why we keep referring to what we saw last year.

[Stern]

Wish the best for him. Just need him to defend the position and grab some rebound in the playoff for this season.

Hope he gets the attitude of 'You can't do that to me!'

[Samurai]

I hope Wiseman can turn it around, but I worry that he doesn’t have the same mental toughness as Kuminga & Moody. He was all over the place mentally last year, and Kerr had to tell him to get off of social media because it was affecting him so much.

I may be in the minority here, but I'm less concerned about his "mental toughness", at least for now. We keep talking about last year, when he was 19 years old, no Summer League, no pre-season, etc. Not all 19 year olds develop "mental toughness" at the same level or pace. If he had at least one full year of college, or preferably more, and a few years in the pros, I'd be more concerned. And I don't know what data or metrics we should be looking at to determine one's mental toughness unless we have a close relationship with that person, thus I'm certainly not qualified to make any definitive determinations about his mental toughness or lack thereof. He seems intelligent and shows some degree of perspective in his interviews, so I'm much more interested in how he does next season to see what impact people like Milojevic have had on him and how much he picks up from Dray, Iguodala, etc. than in what he did or did not show last season.

I think we keep talking about last year because we don’t have anything to go off of for this year. He’s been completely absent due to his injury recovery. There is nothing to observe and comment on for this year, and that’s why we keep referring to what we saw last year.

Exactly my point! There is no "this year" yet so there is nothing to comment on yet. But somehow people keep commenting on last season even though most posters acknowledge that he had significant disadvantages last season, but then make comments even when they acknowledge there is nothing to comment on yet. I've acknowledged that I'm in the minority on this since this thread is now at 41 pages; it just doesn't make sense to me to say "there is nothing to comment on here yet" and then say "so here's my comment..."

[shazam_guy]

Samurai, I was just about to say this and found you had said it first. So I'll just leave it at that.

[SpreeChokeJob]

The only question that matters is when will he be better than Looney, if ever?

Definitely not this year.

What could have been if they got Halliburton. Halliburton Poole Moody Kuminga. That second unit would have been filthy. I think that second unit could even compete and beat the first unit in a scrimmage.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I think Looney might be the best back up center in the NBA if he was a back up center. If Wiseman was just equal to Looney the Warriors would better than most teams at the center position. Maybe the Pacers have 2 centers better than Looney but they are not way better than Looney.

For a center that is not a shot blocker or a scorer Looney is great. Who should I compare Looney to, Old Wes Unseld? Who were the very good 6' 9" and under centers who were not shot blockers or scorers?

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Wise played a high school game against the Mobley brothers. The Mobley brothers were aggressive, had great reaction times, had perfected inside scoring vs tall athletic guy and perfected defense against Wiseman. They made Wiseman look Passive and slow reacting and raw by comparison but the comparison wasn't fair because the Mobley brothers had played thousands of hours against each other at a court at their house. Wiseman had no experience playing against tall mobile guys of the sort that you find in the NBA.

The Mobley brothers were so competitive that in their last few years in high school they had to stop playing against each other because their games were turning into fights. Evan is the younger but bigger Mobley.

If you want a NBA ready big man in the draft this year draft Evan's older brother Isiah to be a power forward. But we have Kuminga and Draymond so I don't think we should draft a power forward.

My biggest concern with Wiseman is slow reaction time. Wiseman has not played much against good big men. G-League players are very good. If Wiseman can learn to dominate g-league then he can take what he learns in G-league an adapt it to the NBA.

Should a guy develop in the NBA or at college and G-League where he can be dominant? My choice is G-League but we need a little Wiseman now. I might want to send Wiseman back to G-League next fall so he can get used to being dominant against good players rather than be in the NBA in a restricted role against great players.

I want Wiseman reacting instead of thinking but Wiseman has not played enough to rely on reactions.

[NeoWarriors]

Wise played a high school game against the Mobley brothers. The Mobley brothers were aggressive, had great reaction times, had perfected inside scoring vs tall athletic guy and perfected defense against Wiseman. They made Wiseman look Passive and slow reacting and raw by comparison but the comparison wasn't fair because the Mobley brothers had played thousands of hours against each other at a court at their house. Wiseman had no experience playing against tall mobile guys of the sort that you find in the NBA.

The Mobley brothers were so competitive that in their last few years in high school they had to stop playing against each other because their games were turning into fights. Evan is the younger but bigger Mobley.

If you want a NBA ready big man in the draft this year draft Evan's older brother Isiah to be a power forward. But we have Kuminga and Draymond so I don't think we should draft a power forward.

My biggest concern with Wiseman is slow reaction time. Wiseman has not played much against good big men. G-League players are very good. If Wiseman can learn to dominate g-league then he can take what he learns in G-league an adapt it to the NBA.

Should a guy develop in the NBA or at college and G-League where he can be dominant? My choice is G-League but we need a little Wiseman now. I might want to send Wiseman back to G-League next fall so he can get used to being dominant against good players rather than be in the NBA in a restricted role against great players.

I want Wiseman reacting instead of thinking but Wiseman has not played enough to rely on reactions.

Lol. You're worried about slow reaction time but you've been pimping Tacko Fall for the last couple months? I think we've all watched that 8 minutes of film from that game. I didn't see anything that suggested Wiseman was reacting slow. The Mobley brothers are both smaller, lighter and quicker. But them being quick doesn't make Wisemen slow. Wiseman and Dandridge actually outplayed the brothers in that game. It was the guards that made the difference. If you watch any film on Wiseman including his time with the Warriors you can see what a super athlete he is. I think he has a pretty rare offensive package for a kid as big as he is. It's just a matter of him learning the nuances of basketball that he hadn't picked up in his short career, which you mentioned. What Wisemen really needs is an off-season where he isn't rehabbing as well as getting into training camp. As of right now he's 2 years behind in his development. When they do finally bring him up I think feasting on the second team centers would do him much better than feasting on G leaguers. IMHO. But I'm not against him getting some burn in the G League.

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[Upperclass]

Wiseman likely can't play in a game like the dubs had vs the Bucks.. So where do you deploy him? In those games.. the action may be just too fast, too much advanced movement around the hoop.. if they can convince him to be content doing what looney does, it may work.. But otherwise their team has a ton of guys who need shots, all who are better scorers and capable defenders

[hamncheese]

My guess (and just a guess) is in regular season, he will get some minutes with the second team regardless of matchup in the first half, and the seco d half will depend on how he does in the initial minutes and how the game is going later on.

For the playoffs, he will get minutes based on matchup (needing a big body, fouls) or in blowouts. Don't think he would get any in a Bucks series unless maybe Lopez is back.

It could change if he shows something during the remaining regular season games.

[SpreeChokeJob]

Wiseman likely can't play in a game like the dubs had vs the Bucks.. So where do you deploy him? In those games.. the action may be just too fast, too much advanced movement around the hoop.. if they can convince him to be content doing what looney does, it may work.. But otherwise their team has a ton of guys who need shots, all who are better scorers and capable defenders

Right now he’s the third string center. As below average as Bjelica is playing, I think Wiseman has a ways to go in terms of reps before he is ready for the intensity of the playoffs. Probably Wiseman get some minutes in the regular season and a few minutes in the playoffs. With the playoffs around the corner they have to get Bjelica ready for at least 10 minute run to fine tune for postseason, so that takes higher priority than trying to squeeze Wiseman in now and disrupt the continuity of the team. They already seen what the difficulty of integrating Klay has been. It’s very late in the season for another disruption, they need these last games to build up some rhythm going to the playoffs.

[watch1958]

Wiseman likely can't play in a game like the dubs had vs the Bucks.. So where do you deploy him? In those games.. the action may be just too fast, too much advanced movement around the hoop.. if they can convince him to be content doing what looney does, it may work.. But otherwise their team has a ton of guys who need shots, all who are better scorers and capable defenders

Right now he’s the third string center. As below average as Bjelica is playing, I think Wiseman has a ways to go in terms of reps before he is ready for the intensity of the playoffs. Probably Wiseman get some minutes in the regular season and a few minutes in the playoffs. With the playoffs around the corner they have to get Bjelica ready for at least 10 minute run to fine tune for postseason, so that takes higher priority than trying to squeeze Wiseman in now and disrupt the continuity of the team. They already seen what the difficulty of integrating Klay has been. It’s very late in the season for another disruption, they need these last games to build up some rhythm going to the playoffs.

Yep, they will need to figure it out. I would guess that a lot of Wiseman’s minutes will come from playing Looney fewer minutes to get him refreshed for post season.

[tarantism]

He looked pretty good for Santa Cruz. I thought he moved well. Rebounding was hit and miss but he showed good effort. Hard to evaluate the defense in the G League environment, and with those teammates but outside of badly biting on one pump fake nothing negative stood out.

He was active on offense. Frankly I was pretty annoyed during the game because he would make a nice cut or roll and a guard would look him off or miss him. Too many players trying to get their own in that league, it's hard to evaluate Wiseman in the team game. But as an individual I thought he looked pretty good.

As others have said...he looked HUGE. If he can put it all together he's going to be an absolute monster. A lot of the holes in his game should smooth out with more minutes.

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