is Klay done?

[GQ Hot Dog]

I mean we've been through this so many times. It's amazing you could be so clueless. The OBVIOUS answer that literally EVERYONE here knows is that Joe Lacob always wanted a "legit 7-footer" like James Wiseman. Period. The End. Finito.

But I'm sure your response is "ehhh, you don't have any proof" LMAO just like always a moron

I'm one of the main proponents on this board of the idea that Lacob forced the Wiseman pick. You could have just asked me.

Can you please have the composure to refrain from calling me or anyone else a "moron" or any other insults? I know you thrive on conflict but everyone else is just trying to have a nice conversation.

If that's true why did you say "nobody knows"? I don't get it. Make it make sense.

Because nobody on this board knows. It's all just speculation on our part. Unless you're claiming inside knowledge?

[EvanZ]

I'm one of the main proponents on this board of the idea that Lacob forced the Wiseman pick. You could have just asked me.

Can you please have the composure to refrain from calling me or anyone else a "moron" or any other insults? I know you thrive on conflict but everyone else is just trying to have a nice conversation.

If that's true why did you say "nobody knows"? I don't get it. Make it make sense.

Because nobody on this board knows. It's all just speculation on our part. Unless you're claiming inside knowledge?

Oh ok, there you go. "Nobody knows"

[DevinVassell]

Here's the actual reality of the Wiseman pick delivered to us from a journalist instead of some random dude on a message board.

I don't think anyone who is at all serious has ever suggested that Bob Myers or Steve Kerr or others in the Warriors organization weren't as high on Wiseman and Lacob (or his son, Kirk, for that matter) simply put his foot down. I think people have considered the idea that Lacob, as the final-say guy when it gets down to it, was surely emphatic in his Wiseman enthusiasm, while carrying significant weight.

This is standard speak. And Lacob isn't lying here. Again, to a man, the Warriors raved about Wiseman's talent from day one. To think Lacob went into the war room and demanded Bob Myers draft Wiseman when everyone else wanted Ball, or someone else, would be a work of fiction. The truth is that Lacob wanted Wiseman badly. So did everyone else. The Warriors perhaps made the mistake of thinking too much in terms of roster need than the best overall player, but that was still a consensus strategy.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/warriors-owner-joe-lacob-wants-to-be-clear-drafting-james-wiseman-wasnt-just-his-decision/

This sounds right.

I'm pretty sure Lacob liked Wiseman... but he wasn't the only one. If absolutely everyone else in the war room (including Myers and Kerr) were against it, no way Lacob just says nope, your all overruled.

It was a concensus pick.

Lets be serious here... Wiseman was a physical freak and worth the swing. If he panned out... the sky was the limit. We all dreamed of the unknown, unseen, dominant dubs bigman.

But his main obvious problem imo is motor. Just way way to soft and that is hard to identify with so little evidence/playing time.

Swing and a miss.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Here's the actual reality of the Wiseman pick delivered to us from a journalist instead of some random dude on a message board.

I don't think anyone who is at all serious has ever suggested that Bob Myers or Steve Kerr or others in the Warriors organization weren't as high on Wiseman and Lacob (or his son, Kirk, for that matter) simply put his foot down. I think people have considered the idea that Lacob, as the final-say guy when it gets down to it, was surely emphatic in his Wiseman enthusiasm, while carrying significant weight.

This is standard speak. And Lacob isn't lying here. Again, to a man, the Warriors raved about Wiseman's talent from day one. To think Lacob went into the war room and demanded Bob Myers draft Wiseman when everyone else wanted Ball, or someone else, would be a work of fiction. The truth is that Lacob wanted Wiseman badly. So did everyone else. The Warriors perhaps made the mistake of thinking too much in terms of roster need than the best overall player, but that was still a consensus strategy.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/warriors-owner-joe-lacob-wants-to-be-clear-drafting-james-wiseman-wasnt-just-his-decision/

This sounds right.

I'm pretty sure Lacob liked Wiseman... but he wasn't the only one. If absolutely everyone else in the war room (including Myers and Kerr) were against it, no way Lacob just says nope, your all overruled.

It was a concensus pick.

Lets be serious here... Wiseman was a physical freak and worth the swing. If he panned out... the sky was the limit. We all dreamed of the unknown, unseen, dominant dubs bigman.

But his main obvious problem imo is motor. Just way way to soft and that is hard to identify with so little evidence/playing time.

Swing and a miss.

It's a common conspiracy theory in sports. Like right now, "Bryce Young was David Tepper's pick" is a thing.

[DevinVassell]

Read on Twitter

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A little more context/evidence for the ongoing Wiseman was a Lacob pick only...

Myers while talking about Haliburtons Warriors workout.... "I should have known then"

So I'm guessing he didnt know until later. Doesn't sound like a person whom was pushing for and wanted Haliburton and got overruled to me.

Words matter.

[B-King]

There was talk before that they tried to trade down, but never heard if they had a specific target in mind.

[CDM_Stats]

who cares who made the pick.. we seem to be drafting wiser without Myers though, although its a small sample size. In alignment with Warriors tradition, the criteria for a sample size being sufficient only happens when its too late to do anything about it

[DonaldSanders]

This sounds right.

I'm pretty sure Lacob liked Wiseman... but he wasn't the only one. If absolutely everyone else in the war room (including Myers and Kerr) were against it, no way Lacob just says nope, your all overruled.

It was a concensus pick.

Lets be serious here... Wiseman was a physical freak and worth the swing. If he panned out... the sky was the limit. We all dreamed of the unknown, unseen, dominant dubs bigman.

But his main obvious problem imo is motor. Just way way to soft and that is hard to identify with so little evidence/playing time.

Swing and a miss.

It's a common conspiracy theory in sports. Like right now, "Bryce Young was David Tepper's pick" is a thing.

I agree with you both -- even Steve said explicitly he was on board with Wiseman in an interview and that the whole FO was. It's possible Lacob liking the pick may have helped them make the choice, but I think everyone liked Wiseman. Lacob didn't waltz in and tell everyone what was happening. Bottom line is until 10 years from now we'll probably never know the exact truth.

The *idea* of Wiseman was the perfect Warrior big, he just stinks unfortunately.

[wco81]

Why would Dunleavy have any more authority than Myers over the drafting?

In the not too distant future, Warriors will be drafting in the lottery for a few years, unless we trade FRPs to try to improve the roster now.

That's going to be the real test of this front office, which probably includes the owner.

[Impuniti]

Read on Twitter

?s=20

A little more context/evidence for the ongoing Wiseman was a Lacob pick only...

Myers while talking about Haliburtons Warriors workout.... "I should have known then"

So I'm guessing he didnt know until later. Doesn't sound like a person whom was pushing for and wanted Haliburton and got overruled to me.

Words matter.

Bob once the logo left when it comes to drafting

[jozef]

Did anybody like last Klay's game?

[floppymoose]

I did. I still want him gone though. If he played like that all the time he'd be fine. It's not going to happen.

[jozef]

It was All Star performance with shots Moses Moody can only dream about yet. OKC defenders hanged on him as much as they could.

[Impuniti]

It was All Star performance with shots Moses Moody can only dream about yet. OKC defenders hanged on him as much as they could.

Dreamer Moses had a better TS% last season even in Kerr's pathetic rotation than Klay has had.. in his history since he's been in the NBA.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Klay will never be the defender that he was in 2016 but Klay never had good defensive speed. 2016 Klay guarded Dame Lillard with great foot work and technique not great athleticism.

Klay often started seasons slow in terms of shooting. Klay might be a great shooter scorer 2nd option in this year’s playoffs.

[jozef]

It was All Star performance with shots Moses Moody can only dream about yet. OKC defenders hanged on him as much as they could.

Dreamer Moses had a better TS% last season even in Kerr's pathetic rotation than Klay has had.. in his history since he's been in the NBA.

It does not change what I have wrote. Klay takes shot at top first-option level on screen plays with quickness and offense flow that Moses never even tries. You can also marvel at Kevon's TS% as well, while his scoring inability is detrimental.

[Jester_]

It was All Star performance with shots Moses Moody can only dream about yet. OKC defenders hanged on him as much as they could.

Dreamer Moses had a better TS% last season even in Kerr's pathetic rotation than Klay has had.. in his history since he's been in the NBA.

It does not change what I have wrote. Klay takes shot at top first-option level on screen plays with quickness and offense flow that Moses never even tries. You can also marvel at Kevon's TS% as well, while his scoring inability is detrimental.

Did you just compare a big's TS to make a point about wings and forwards? How does every post you make get dumber and dumber

[jozef]

Yes, I did. It does work same way with bigs and wth wings..
To avoid dumb feeling, I go with wing comparison:
role player Caruso TS% 68.5 and star Luka Doncic 61.4
Jae Crowder 70.2 and Jayson Tatum 61.7
Is OKC Isaiah Joe (64.5) better than Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (63.6) or they are equal?

Back to bigs to make my post dumb enough
Is Kevon Looney at 60.5 TS% better or equal scorer in comparison to Nikola Jokic at 60.2 TS%?

[Impuniti]

Yes, I did. It does work same way with bigs and wth wings..
To avoid dumb feeling, I go with wing comparison:
role player Caruso TS% 68.5 and star Luka Doncic 61.4
Jae Crowder 70.2 and Jayson Tatum 61.7
Is OKC Isaiah Joe (64.5) better than Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (63.6) or they are equal?

Back to bigs to make my post dumb enough
Is Kevon Looney at 60.5 TS% better or equal scorer in comparison to Nikola Jokic at 60.2 TS%?

No it does **** not. But fair point on comparing them from the same position.

Klay was a tough shotmaker, he hasn't been that guy since he came back from his injury. He had two quality games in the 22' playoffs but nothing special from just about any other decent offensive player.

[jozef]

There are plays for star players while complementary players play off these stars. It is different ballgame, different category. Complementary player would struggle to make star plays. It does not matter if they are bigs or wings. These numbers say it all.