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Jester_ · Post #821 » by **Jester_** » Tue May 28, 2013 4:30 pm

We "missed", but we didn't miss badly. It's like picking Hakeem over Jordan, it isn't really a "miss' like Bowie over Jordan or something. You're not going to always get the best player at your draft position, but our FO has made sure to consistently get a good player, which is a welcome change in years past and is characteristic of quality organizations like the Spurs. if you don't have the money and media appeal of the Lakers, you build a dynasty through consistently doing well in the draft.

Onus · Post #822 » by **Onus** » Tue May 28, 2013 4:35 pm

yea they didn't whiff, they hit singles and doubles, just not homeruns.

whocurrz · Post #823 » by **whocurrz** » Tue May 28, 2013 7:22 pm

EvanZ wrote:
Jester_ wrote:

To be fair, taking things in a vacuum, if the Warriors drafted based on what this board wanted, we'd be looking at a team of Paul George, Kawhi Leonard and Henson/Drummond and probably Jae Crowder instead of Draymond. If we go further back, through drafting alone, this board's concensus would've nailed a lot of picks.

Really, it was 100% agreement on these guys?

That would actually be an interesting 3-on-3 matchup between Udoh/Klay/Barnes and George/Leonard/Drummond.

Well he never said 100% agreement but yeah only one of those guys who it was even close to a majority consensus I think was Leonard over Klay (lots of people we upset after Leonard fell and we still took Klay) which seems like the smallest gap. I remember people being more about Monroe than George and last year was a clusterf*ck of ideas. Only a few people wanted Henson and many people liked Drummond after the combine, but were scared or drafting him. We've also had people wanting to draft Kendall Marshall, Austin Rivers who I think both may have been more highly received here than Dummond or Henson...

Jester_ · Post #824 » by **Jester_** » Tue May 28, 2013 7:38 pm

Last year definitely had a lot less concensus. Henson was the Ron Paul pick of the draft with me, EvanZ and FNQ pimping him as the best thing since Jordan. After that it was fuzzy. Part of the problem was, we had no idea who would actually be available to us at that position. I think the prevailing belief was that we'd be drafting Dion Waiters, with people holding out for Henson and Kendall. Barnes and Drummond both falling was very unexpected.

I wonder how Mylie and Flop feel about their Austin Rivers and Kendall Marshall picks respectively. Probably the same way I feel about pimping Thomas Robinson and saying Kendal > Lillard.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #825 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Tue May 28, 2013 7:50 pm

So why did Allen get fined for flopping against Ginobili, but Ginobili not get fined for his multiple flops against the Warriors? Ginobili committed a hard and dangerous foul on Allen. That warranted a flagrant. But he himself flops when he goes relatively untouched.

marthafokker · Post #826 » by **marthafokker** » Tue May 28, 2013 10:43 pm

If GSW got George, wouldn't it be something like?

Udoh/Klay/Barnes
vs
George/<NJ/Utah player>/<who the hell knows where GSW would draft>

Mylie10 · Post #827 » by **Mylie10** » Wed May 29, 2013 3:08 am

Jester_ wrote:Last year definitely had a lot less concensus. Henson was the Ron Paul pick of the draft with me, EvanZ and FNQ pimping him as the best thing since Jordan. After that it was fuzzy. Part of the problem was, we had no idea who would actually be available to us at that position. I think the prevailing belief was that we'd be drafting Dion Waiters, with people holding out for Henson and Kendall. Barnes and Drummond both falling was very unexpected.

I wonder how Mylie and Flop feel about their Austin Rivers and Kendall Marshall picks respectively. Probably the same way I feel about pimping Thomas Robinson and saying Kendal > Lillard.

You won't here me bringing Rivers up much right now, but I still feel there's an incredible athlete there and an NBA pdigree to work with. He started out the year with horrible shooting, but shot the ball quite well as the year progressed, right up until his injury. The jurys still out on that one.

EvanZ · Post #828 » by **EvanZ** » Wed May 29, 2013 4:07 am

Mylie10 wrote:
You won't here me bringing Rivers up much right now, but I still feel there's an incredible athlete there and an NBA pdigree to work with. He started out the year with horrible shooting, but shot the ball quite well as the year progressed, right up until his injury. The jurys still out on that one.

After Jan. 1 he shot 44% TS on 17% USG (178 true shooting attempts).

Not sure how that qualifies in any universe as "quite well".

Mylie10 · Post #829 » by **Mylie10** » Thu May 30, 2013 3:13 pm

Was talking about February where he shot;

.446 fg%
.462 3%

In March he only played 3 games and went 12-17 from the field before getting hurt.

Prior to February he was abysmal....In Feb. his TS% could have been helped further if he would make his FT's but for some reason he's really struggling from the line.

Quazza · Post #830 » by **Quazza** » Thu May 30, 2013 10:29 pm

Few whispers going round that the cavs are interested in Cousins

Onus · Post #831 » by **Onus** » Thu May 30, 2013 10:55 pm

The cavs are interested in everyone, they don't want the #1 pick

statsman · Post #832 » by **statsman** » Thu May 30, 2013 11:35 pm

Onus wrote:The cavs are interested in everyone, they don't want the #1 pick

$5.3M first year salary for the #1 pick this year, and rising from there. Is anyone in this draft really worth that much?

BW32 · Post #833 » by **BW32** » Fri May 31, 2013 12:09 am

Odds are 4 years from now there will be atleast one guy worth that money, on alot of bad drafts it's rarely the number 1 pick tho.

ILOVEIT · Post #834 » by **ILOVEIT** » Fri May 31, 2013 5:53 am

Article about Chris Paul being ticked at Clippers ownership...lol. Book it..he's gone. He KNOWS they will not win a championship with he and Griffin....So likely he'll make up some excuse about how the ownership disrespected him so he can go join some other star. Likely to join Howard in LA LAKERS although pissing off the same town you are about to switch teams in...not sure that will work.

Onus · Post #835 » by **Onus** » Fri May 31, 2013 7:07 am

statsman wrote:
Onus wrote:The cavs are interested in everyone, they don't want the #1 pick

$5.3M first year salary for the #1 pick this year, and rising from there. Is anyone in this draft really worth that much?

The cavs should be an excellent team to dump bogut and jefferson on if we ever try to sign dwight out right. There's already tons of teams salivating at acquiring barnes and biedrins. If those two types of trades happen so we can sign dwight outright while keeping our 1st and klay, watch out for the warriors as a lineup of curry/klay/rush/lee/dwight is a championship team.

and if the heat lose this year, i'm looking to trade lee for expirings next year so we can sign lebron outright. Could he really turn down the opportunity to play with dwight/curry/klay to stay on a team that is looking more and more like the cavaliers. IF he wants to be better than MJ and win multiple championships, you can't turn down that opportunity.

spaceballer · Post #836 » by **spaceballer** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 3:22 am

ILOVEIT wrote:Article about Chris Paul being ticked at Clippers ownership...lol. Book it..he's gone. He KNOWS they will not win a championship with he and Griffin....So likely he'll make up some excuse about how the ownership disrespected him so he can go join some other star. Likely to join Howard in LA LAKERS although pissing off the same town you are about to switch teams in...not sure that will work.

No way he joins the Lakers even if he wanted to. The Lakers are capped out and have no room to sign him with free cap space. And they're over the apron, so they wouldn't be able to accept him in a sign and trade anyway. And the Clippers are certainly not going to facilitate a sign and trade to the rival team in their own city.

CP3 would have to take the Vet Min or taxpayer MLE (about $3M) if he wants to get onto the Lakers. I just don't see him willing to sign for $3M a year to chase a ring on the Lakers. If he wanted to do that, he could do that on the Heat for a better shot at ring chasing for $3M or Vet Min.

whocurrz · Post #837 » by **whocurrz** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 4:12 am

Sterling would probably let CP3 walk before facilitating a trade to the lakers. Especially considering they have no assets they would want besides Dwight

Post #838 » by **FNQ** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 6:20 pm

Remember when people here didn't want to sign Birdman at all because he was terrible and his off-court stuff? With Birdman on court there is no game 7

whocurrz · Post #839 » by **whocurrz** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 6:56 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:Remember when people here didn't want to sign Birdman at all because he was terrible and his off-court stuff? With Birdman on court there is no game 7

I remember suggesting signing him or Kenyon Martin when we weren't getting anything from bogut and people seemed to think he had gotten blackballed by the league do to the legal stuff he was involved in, despite him being unfairly accused of serious allegations

Post #840 » by **FNQ** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 7:00 pm

Case was dismissed and IIRC the accuser's mother was held in contempt. Can't imagine the payday was huge either has Birdman had other options and chose the Heat's minimum deal.

Having that ace in the hole as a backup 4/5 would be awesome right now