2021 Draft Thread

lars_rosenberg · Post #821 » by **lars_rosenberg** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:48 am

It's a loaded draft so I'm not against acquiring more picks.
I think that draft picks (especially in the lottery) are kinda like lottery tickets: if you draft the wrong player they become worthless, like Wiseman who lost most of the value of a #2 pick, but if you nail it, you get rich. If you get a rookie of the year level player you can use it to acquire a superstar because rebuilding teams want young stars to build on and if they are giving up a great player they want something safe and substantial, not just picks.
So even if you want to trade the rookies to get veterans, the best thing is to draft well and turn the picks into better assets. It's obviously very risky, but how do you beat Durant, Irving and Harden anyway?

Scoots1994 · Post #822 » by **Scoots1994** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 2:08 pm

ChuckDurn wrote:
Onus wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
yeah picking him at 7 is not an option but I might consider him at 14. Here is a video with a little more info on him from a Warriors perspective.

Watch on YouTube

I know 14 is really high for him. I’d prefer to get another pick to select him later but having a stretch big that can play defense would be huge for our offense. I think it would help us so much that I would select him at 14 if needed. Barnes and Kd were the only real stretch 4 options we’ve had and that’s when we’re at our best.

Depending on who’s on the board, trading down to 16 or 18 (with OKC) might be an option. For example, trade #14 for #16 + #36 (OKC has 6, 16, 18, 34, 36, and 55, and will certainly try to consolidate picks or sell / trade out some of those picks…….

Trade 14 and 2022 first for 16 and 18.

Scoots1994 · Post #823 » by **Scoots1994** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 2:09 pm

lars_rosenberg wrote:It's a loaded draft so I'm not against acquiring more picks.
I think that draft picks (especially in the lottery) are kinda like lottery tickets: if you draft the wrong player they become worthless, like Wiseman who lost most of the value of a #2 pick, but if you nail it, you get rich. If you get a rookie of the year level player you can use it to acquire a superstar because rebuilding teams want young stars to build on and if they are giving up a great player they want something safe and substantial, not just picks.
So even if you want to trade the rookies to get veterans, the best thing is to draft well and turn the picks into better assets. It's obviously very risky, but how do you beat Durant, Irving and Harden anyway?

In this draft the lottery quality players go down to 20ish.

whatisacenter · Post #824 » by **whatisacenter** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 5:47 pm

Watch on YouTube

another potential mid to late FRP prospect. I am just digging around looking at players who are not in the consensus top 15 since the Warriors have been scheduling visits with a wide array of players.

I like the strength and handle of Christopher's offensive game but there are a lot of plays were he is totally lost on defense.

GSWFan1994 · Post #825 » by **GSWFan1994** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 7:31 pm

I find Christopher enticing, but there better prospects in the 14-ish range.

ChuckDurn · Post #826 » by **ChuckDurn** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 7:54 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:
ChuckDurn wrote:
Onus wrote:I know 14 is really high for him. I’d prefer to get another pick to select him later but having a stretch big that can play defense would be huge for our offense. I think it would help us so much that I would select him at 14 if needed. Barnes and Kd were the only real stretch 4 options we’ve had and that’s when we’re at our best.

Depending on who’s on the board, trading down to 16 or 18 (with OKC) might be an option. For example, trade #14 for #16 + #36 (OKC has 6, 16, 18, 34, 36, and 55, and will certainly try to consolidate picks or sell / trade out some of those picks…….

Trade 14 and 2022 first for 16 and 18.

Yep. Good idea.

The-Power · Post #827 » by **The-Power** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 9:53 pm

whatisacenter wrote:

Watch on YouTube

another potential mid to late FRP prospect. I am just digging around looking at players who are not in the consensus top 15 since the Warriors have been scheduling visits with a wide array of players.

I like the strength and handle of Christopher's offensive game but there are a lot of plays were he is totally lost on defense.

Talent-wise I'd easily pick Christopher at 14. He's just a player who'll likely need time to develop and therefore an unlikely target.

Jester_ · Post #828 » by **Jester_** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:12 pm

ChuckDurn wrote:
Onus wrote:I know 14 is really high for him. I’d prefer to get another pick to select him later but having a stretch big that can play defense would be huge for our offense. I think it would help us so much that I would select him at 14 if needed. Barnes and Kd were the only real stretch 4 options we’ve had and that’s when we’re at our best.

Depending on who’s on the board, trading down to 16 or 18 (with OKC) might be an option. For example, trade #14 for #16 + #36 (OKC has 6, 16, 18, 34, 36, and 55, and will certainly try to consolidate picks or sell / trade out some of those picks…….

Reading OKC's pick haul never gets old. Jesus christ.

Jester_ · Post #829 » by **Jester_** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:17 pm

Trey Murphy is definitely getting slept on in this draft. A lot of weaknesses, but it's very rare that shooting & efficiency like that doesn't translate to the league.

He'd be a great pick at 14. No star potential, but could become a world class 3&D player with some work.

Brick Layer · Post #830 » by **Brick Layer** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 4:07 pm

Jester_ wrote:Trey Murphy is definitely getting slept on in this draft. A lot of weaknesses, but it's very rare that shooting & efficiency like that doesn't translate to the league.

He'd be a great pick at 14. No star potential, but could become a world class 3&D player with some work.

Trey Murphy's a real reach at pick 14. His current draft range is 18-28 with the mid 20's probably being his most likely landing spot.

Jester_ · Post #831 » by **Jester_** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 4:46 pm

Brick Layer wrote:
Jester_ wrote:Trey Murphy is definitely getting slept on in this draft. A lot of weaknesses, but it's very rare that shooting & efficiency like that doesn't translate to the league.

He'd be a great pick at 14. No star potential, but could become a world class 3&D player with some work.

Trey Murphy's a real reach at pick 14. His current draft range is 18-28 with the mid 20's probably being his most likely landing spot.

That's why I'm saying he's getting slept on. Good size + shoots the lights out, he'll easily be a reliable role player with a reasonable upside of becoming a #3 option.

Onus · Post #832 » by **Onus** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 5:01 pm

Brick Layer wrote:
Jester_ wrote:Trey Murphy is definitely getting slept on in this draft. A lot of weaknesses, but it's very rare that shooting & efficiency like that doesn't translate to the league.

He'd be a great pick at 14. No star potential, but could become a world class 3&D player with some work.

Trey Murphy's a real reach at pick 14. His current draft range is 18-28 with the mid 20's probably being his most likely landing spot.

Who cares about reaching, get your guy. In the NBA they don't really trade up and down in the draft like it's the nfl draft.

osx28 · Post #833 » by **osx28** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 5:32 pm

Onus wrote:
Brick Layer wrote:
Jester_ wrote:Trey Murphy is definitely getting slept on in this draft. A lot of weaknesses, but it's very rare that shooting & efficiency like that doesn't translate to the league.

He'd be a great pick at 14. No star potential, but could become a world class 3&D player with some work.

Trey Murphy's a real reach at pick 14. His current draft range is 18-28 with the mid 20's probably being his most likely landing spot.

Who cares about reaching, get your guy. In the NBA they don't really trade up and down in the draft like it's the nfl draft.

Well if that's your guy and all indications are he could be there at 18, why not trade down? Get an extra second rounder in this draft even those are pretty good.

Onus · Post #834 » by **Onus** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 5:59 pm

osx28 wrote:
Onus wrote:
Brick Layer wrote:Trey Murphy's a real reach at pick 14. His current draft range is 18-28 with the mid 20's probably being his most likely landing spot.

Who cares about reaching, get your guy. In the NBA they don't really trade up and down in the draft like it's the nfl draft.

Well if that's your guy and all indications are he could be there at 18, why not trade down? Get an extra second rounder in this draft even those are pretty good.

Yes if you can trade down do it. But it’s unlikely teams do because the values never really match up. No one drops 4 spots for a 2nd rd pick and you’re not getting a future 1st for 4 spots. It’s just so hard to get the right value in the nba because the values have such wide gaps.

KevinMcreynolds · Post #835 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 10:56 pm

a bunch of the mocks have us taking bouknight now

I think their only reasoning is that he jumped high at the combine

hamncheese · Post #836 » by **hamncheese** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 11:27 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:a bunch of the mocks have us taking bouknight now

I think their only reasoning is that he jumped high at the combine

He wasn't the jumping guy. That was Keon Johnson. Bouknight was hyped by his Pro Day shooting display.

Watch on YouTube

Mob Byers · Post #837 » by **Mob Byers** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 12:07 am

hamncheese wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:a bunch of the mocks have us taking bouknight now

I think their only reasoning is that he jumped high at the combine

He wasn't the jumping guy. That was Keon Johnson. Bouknight was hyped by his Pro Day shooting display.

Watch on YouTube

This isn't exactly directed at you or this Bouknight example

But I've never been impressed with guys making open jumpers in an empty gym

Maybe I'm missing something? Anyone more into the scouting side explain to me how this is impressive?

mos_def · Post #838 » by **mos_def** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:55 am

Mob Byers wrote:
hamncheese wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:a bunch of the mocks have us taking bouknight now

I think their only reasoning is that he jumped high at the combine

He wasn't the jumping guy. That was Keon Johnson. Bouknight was hyped by his Pro Day shooting display.

Watch on YouTube

This isn't exactly directed at you or this Bouknight example

But I've never been impressed with guys making open jumpers in an empty gym

Maybe I'm missing something? Anyone more into the scouting side explain to me how this is impressive?

Tho I'm a Bouknight guy, I have yet to see a NBA player miss on these type of clips. I remember a few months ago we were watching Jessups gym shooting clips and the first thing I wondered was it edited

Scoots1994 · Post #839 » by **Scoots1994** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:45 am

Mob Byers wrote:
hamncheese wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:a bunch of the mocks have us taking bouknight now

I think their only reasoning is that he jumped high at the combine

He wasn't the jumping guy. That was Keon Johnson. Bouknight was hyped by his Pro Day shooting display.

Watch on YouTube

This isn't exactly directed at you or this Bouknight example

But I've never been impressed with guys making open jumpers in an empty gym

Maybe I'm missing something? Anyone more into the scouting side explain to me how this is impressive?

Indeed. Besides, you want me to be impressed? Top Curry's 105 3s in a row in an empty gym. 10 ain't nothing.

Onus · Post #840 » by **Onus** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 3:42 am

We better be drafting players that can shoot