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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#821 » by Samurai » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:18 pm

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Upperclass wrote:Wiseman likely can't play in a game like the dubs had vs the Bucks.. So where do you deploy him? In those games.. the action may be just too fast, too much advanced movement around the hoop.. if they can convince him to be content doing what looney does, it may work.. But otherwise their team has a ton of guys who need shots, all who are better scorers and capable defenders


Right now he’s the third string center. As below average as Bjelica is playing, I think Wiseman has a ways to go in terms of reps before he is ready for the intensity of the playoffs. Probably Wiseman get some minutes in the regular season and a few minutes in the playoffs. With the playoffs around the corner they have to get Bjelica ready for at least 10 minute run to fine tune for postseason, so that takes higher priority than trying to squeeze Wiseman in now and disrupt the continuity of the team. They already seen what the difficulty of integrating Klay has been. It’s very late in the season for another disruption, they need these last games to build up some rhythm going to the playoffs.

I disagree; I think within a game or two after joining the team, Wiseman should surpass Belly on the depth chart. (Caveat: I am talking about present-day, not what Belly was at the beginning of the season.) Since Belly is only shooting 21% on 3's in 2022, there is no aspect of the game that Belly would represent an upgrade over even a struggling Wiseman (I am not considering Belly's propensity to dribble-drive into a turnover as a "skill"). If Belly is playing bad, and Wiseman's play is equally bad, Wiseman still brings one aspect to the team that Belly cannot - he is a legit 7-footer. Unless there is clear evidence that Wiseman has shrunk, just having him standing in the paint will change 1-2 more shots/game than Belly will. And if Wiseman's play is even marginally better than Belly's (an incredibly low bar), then that's just gravy over what we are getting from Belly's minutes right now.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#822 » by tarantism » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:23 pm

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Upperclass wrote:Wiseman likely can't play in a game like the dubs had vs the Bucks.. So where do you deploy him? In those games.. the action may be just too fast, too much advanced movement around the hoop.. if they can convince him to be content doing what looney does, it may work.. But otherwise their team has a ton of guys who need shots, all who are better scorers and capable defenders


Right now he’s the third string center. As below average as Bjelica is playing, I think Wiseman has a ways to go in terms of reps before he is ready for the intensity of the playoffs. Probably Wiseman get some minutes in the regular season and a few minutes in the playoffs. With the playoffs around the corner they have to get Bjelica ready for at least 10 minute run to fine tune for postseason, so that takes higher priority than trying to squeeze Wiseman in now and disrupt the continuity of the team. They already seen what the difficulty of integrating Klay has been. It’s very late in the season for another disruption, they need these last games to build up some rhythm going to the playoffs.

I disagree; I think within a game or two after joining the team, Wiseman should surpass Belly on the depth chart. (Caveat: I am talking about present-day, not what Belly was at the beginning of the season.) Since Belly is only shooting 21% on 3's in 2022, there is no aspect of the game that Belly would represent an upgrade over even a struggling Wiseman (I am not considering Belly's propensity to dribble-drive into a turnover as a "skill"). If Belly is playing bad, and Wiseman's play is equally bad, Wiseman still brings one aspect to the team that Belly cannot - he is a legit 7-footer. Unless there is clear evidence that Wiseman has shrunk, just having him standing in the paint will change 1-2 more shots/game than Belly will. And if Wiseman's play is even marginally better than Belly's (an incredibly low bar), then that's just gravy over what we are getting from Belly's minutes right now.
Wiseman also stands to get better with an accumulation of minutes, while Belly is what he is at this point. Wiseman should supplant him in the rotation almost immediately.

Side note - the cross section between the "sign any big with a pulse" and "Wiseman is a bust" groups is rather interesting.

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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#823 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:38 pm

Santa Cruz and Wiseman vs the Ignite at Chase center at 3PM presumably pacific time
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#824 » by whatisacenter » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:51 pm

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:Santa Cruz and Wiseman vs the Ignite at Chase center at 3PM presumably pacific time

yeah, and it is on nbc sports ba.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#825 » by tarantism » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:53 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:Santa Cruz and Wiseman vs the Ignite at Chase center at 3PM presumably pacific time

yeah, and it is on nbc sports ba.
Does that mean it won't be on ESPN+?

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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#826 » by Big J » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:59 pm

I'm worried that if Wiseman's minutes are spotty he will try to do too much on offense to prove he deserves more minutes, when that is the last thing that we need out of him.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#827 » by SpreeChokeJob » Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:23 pm

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Upperclass wrote:Wiseman likely can't play in a game like the dubs had vs the Bucks.. So where do you deploy him? In those games.. the action may be just too fast, too much advanced movement around the hoop.. if they can convince him to be content doing what looney does, it may work.. But otherwise their team has a ton of guys who need shots, all who are better scorers and capable defenders


Right now he’s the third string center. As below average as Bjelica is playing, I think Wiseman has a ways to go in terms of reps before he is ready for the intensity of the playoffs. Probably Wiseman get some minutes in the regular season and a few minutes in the playoffs. With the playoffs around the corner they have to get Bjelica ready for at least 10 minute run to fine tune for postseason, so that takes higher priority than trying to squeeze Wiseman in now and disrupt the continuity of the team. They already seen what the difficulty of integrating Klay has been. It’s very late in the season for another disruption, they need these last games to build up some rhythm going to the playoffs.

I disagree; I think within a game or two after joining the team, Wiseman should surpass Belly on the depth chart. (Caveat: I am talking about present-day, not what Belly was at the beginning of the season.) Since Belly is only shooting 21% on 3's in 2022, there is no aspect of the game that Belly would represent an upgrade over even a struggling Wiseman (I am not considering Belly's propensity to dribble-drive into a turnover as a "skill"). If Belly is playing bad, and Wiseman's play is equally bad, Wiseman still brings one aspect to the team that Belly cannot - he is a legit 7-footer. Unless there is clear evidence that Wiseman has shrunk, just having him standing in the paint will change 1-2 more shots/game than Belly will. And if Wiseman's play is even marginally better than Belly's (an incredibly low bar), then that's just gravy over what we are getting from Belly's minutes right now.


Bjelica is actually a pretty good passer. That’s something I don’t see Wiseman surpassing him in. There’s chemistry between him and Kuminga. He sets up multiple times for Kuminga’s best highlights.

I see Wiseman as having to learn where to be defensively and can’t be really counted on for the team defensively. He may make some individual great plays, but the Warriors defense relies on a lot of communication which gets built over time. If he plays there will be a lot of breakdowns and mistakes and I don’t think 10 plus games not playing full time will get him up to speed, at least for the playoffs where every possession matters.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#828 » by GSWFan1994 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:48 pm

Hoping for a 20/10 game later on, with an increased workload & minutes.

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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#829 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:49 pm

SpreeChokeJob wrote:
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Right now he’s the third string center. As below average as Bjelica is playing, I think Wiseman has a ways to go in terms of reps before he is ready for the intensity of the playoffs. Probably Wiseman get some minutes in the regular season and a few minutes in the playoffs. With the playoffs around the corner they have to get Bjelica ready for at least 10 minute run to fine tune for postseason, so that takes higher priority than trying to squeeze Wiseman in now and disrupt the continuity of the team. They already seen what the difficulty of integrating Klay has been. It’s very late in the season for another disruption, they need these last games to build up some rhythm going to the playoffs.

I disagree; I think within a game or two after joining the team, Wiseman should surpass Belly on the depth chart. (Caveat: I am talking about present-day, not what Belly was at the beginning of the season.) Since Belly is only shooting 21% on 3's in 2022, there is no aspect of the game that Belly would represent an upgrade over even a struggling Wiseman (I am not considering Belly's propensity to dribble-drive into a turnover as a "skill"). If Belly is playing bad, and Wiseman's play is equally bad, Wiseman still brings one aspect to the team that Belly cannot - he is a legit 7-footer. Unless there is clear evidence that Wiseman has shrunk, just having him standing in the paint will change 1-2 more shots/game than Belly will. And if Wiseman's play is even marginally better than Belly's (an incredibly low bar), then that's just gravy over what we are getting from Belly's minutes right now.


Bjelica is actually a pretty good passer. That’s something I don’t see Wiseman surpassing him in. There’s chemistry between him and Kuminga. He sets up multiple times for Kuminga’s best highlights.

I see Wiseman as having to learn where to be defensively and can’t be really counted on for the team defensively. He may make some individual great plays, but the Warriors defense relies on a lot of communication which gets built over time. If he plays there will be a lot of breakdowns and mistakes and I don’t think 10 plus games not playing full time will get him up to speed, at least for the playoffs where every possession matters.


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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#830 » by SpreeChokeJob » Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:35 pm

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:What can 8 moths of coahing do for a guy who can not play?


It helps his individual skills, but to play as a unit with his other teammates, he needs reps. Till they can read each other’s minds where to be. That’s not going to come in 10 plus games in limited minutes.

And giving him more minutes may throw off where they need to be right before the playoffs begin. Everyone should be clicking and they need to be demolishing teams as they wind down the season.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#831 » by Big J » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:03 pm

Anyone have a link for the stream?
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#832 » by azwfan » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:17 pm

Stream is up on gleague website
https://gleague.nba.com/games/20220313/GLISCW/
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#833 » by azwfan » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:26 pm

I know this is Gleague, but Wiseman is a big dude.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#834 » by Samurai » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:26 pm

My initial reaction to Wiseman's initial playing time today (just over 5 minutes): on a positive note, he seemed to be showing pretty good fight for rebounds (less passive, boxed out on several shots even though he didn't personally get the rebound), all his shot attempts were near the rim (no 3's or long 2's), he won the opening tip. The negatives: he was called for a charge on one of his rolls to the hoop, was slow to react when a teammate lost his man resulting in an easy layup, seemed (perhaps a bit too) eager to post up his man.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#835 » by azwfan » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:27 pm

Have seen a little bit of progression here. On a break, Wiseman went behind the back to avoid a defender and then... GAVE it up to a guard. Feels like last year he's trying to take that coast to coast and we're either in awe or irritated as a result.

Damian Lee, Sydel, and Moody at Chase checking out Wiseman (and Cheezy + Weatherspoon).
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#836 » by azwfan » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:31 pm

My god. Wiseman is a beast (in the gleague). Extremely strong take past his man for two handed slam...

then as I'm typing he got stripped twice going towards the rim.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#837 » by watch1958 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:32 pm

Moody is at the game.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#838 » by GSWFan1994 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:35 pm

Wise is gonna get 20 rebounds tonight, lol.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#839 » by azwfan » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:36 pm

Wiseman looking stronger on the boards thus far. Hands don't look the best. Does not look lost (i missed his first stint as the stream wasn't up).
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#840 » by Samurai » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:47 pm

Looks like Kerr is there as well.

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