is Klay done?

[Impuniti]

There are plays for star players while complementary players play off these stars. It is different ballgame, different category. Complementary player would struggle to make star plays. It does not matter if they are bigs or wings. These numbers say it all.

What numbers? Klay **** sucks. He was the worst player in the Lakers series (maybe Dray beat him to it). Even in the 22 playoffs, he was a rotational elite support player with Looney and JP in terms of importance. Nowhere near being as good as Draymond or Wiggins. Post injury Klay is not that guy anymore, get with the times.

[sonnyhill]

There are plays for star players while complementary players play off these stars. It is different ballgame, different category. Complementary player would struggle to make star plays. It does not matter if they are bigs or wings. These numbers say it all.

What numbers? Klay **** sucks. He was the worst player in the Lakers series (maybe Dray beat him to it). Even in the 22 playoffs, he was a rotational elite support player with Looney and JP in terms of importance. Nowhere near being as good as Draymond or Wiggins. Post injury Klay is not that guy anymore, get with the times.

This thread, while painful for the Klay apologists to read, is actually quite good.

It is more-than-concerning how Kerr seems to be channeling his "inner Doc Rivers" when it comes to lineups, playing time, and rotations by sticking too long with "his" veterans (Klay), when he and the team would be better served by immitating how Erik Spoelstra had utilized Ray Allen.

With Thompson's decline, especially on defense, why wouldn't Kerr bring him off the bench as a "light it up" sixth man for short periods of time?

Andre Iguodala made sacrafices in his playing time in order for this team to win. Shaun Livingston made sacrafices in his playing time in order for this team to win. Steph Curry made sacrafices in his style of play when the team had signed Durant in order for this team to win. Even Kevin Durant made sacrafices in his compensation in order for this team to win. Unless Kerr and Thompson commit to making the necssary adjustments in Thompson's playing time and how he, Thompson, is being utilized in order for this year's Warrior team to have its best chance to win, the team should look to go full-blown "Danny Ainge-Sam Presti" and do a complete reconstruction, including trading away Curry for a huge haul of assets.

[HiRez]

Unless Kerr and Thompson commit to making the necssary adjustments in Thompson's playing time and how he, Thompson, is being utilized in order for this year's Warrior team to have its best chance to win, the team should look to go full-blown "Danny Ainge-Sam Presti" and do a complete reconstruction, including trading away Curry for a huge haul of assets.

Trading Curry is sacriligous, but it is intriguing to wonder what MDJ could do with a half dozen high-end draft picks. Under Myers it wasn't appealing because I wouldn't have had confidence they wouldn't squander them, but the Podz and TJD picks were amazing while not even being high picks.

The sad part is the dynasty is probably already over, and will probably come to an abrupt, definitive end with one or more injuries. And they'll get no picks out of the ordeal except maybe 1 for sucking afterwards (but it's even too late for that if it happened this year). Having said that, trading away the core, and especially Steph, would be heartbreaking, even though as a business decision it's probably the right thing to do.

[watch1958]

Unless Kerr and Thompson commit to making the necssary adjustments in Thompson's playing time and how he, Thompson, is being utilized in order for this year's Warrior team to have its best chance to win, the team should look to go full-blown "Danny Ainge-Sam Presti" and do a complete reconstruction, including trading away Curry for a huge haul of assets.

Trading Curry is sacriligous, but it is intriguing to wonder what MDJ could do with a half dozen high-end draft picks. Under Myers it wasn't appealing because I wouldn't have had confidence they wouldn't squander them, but the Podz and TJD picks were amazing while not even being high picks.

The sad part is the dynasty is probably already over, and will probably come to an abrupt, definitive end with one or more injuries. And they'll get no picks out of the ordeal except maybe 1 for sucking afterwards (but it's even too late for that if it happened this year). Having said that, trading away the core, and especially Steph, would be heartbreaking, even though as a business decision it's probably the right thing to do.

After some of the trades the last few years, I don’t know who has the big bundle of assets to make a Curry deal.

[sonnyhill]

Unless Kerr and Thompson commit to making the necssary adjustments in Thompson's playing time and how he, Thompson, is being utilized in order for this year's Warrior team to have its best chance to win, the team should look to go full-blown "Danny Ainge-Sam Presti" and do a complete reconstruction, including trading away Curry for a huge haul of assets.

Trading Curry is sacriligous, but it is intriguing to wonder what MDJ could do with a half dozen high-end draft picks. Under Myers it wasn't appealing because I wouldn't have had confidence they wouldn't squander them, but the Podz and TJD picks were amazing while not even being high picks.

The sad part is the dynasty is probably already over, and will probably come to an abrupt, definitive end with one or more injuries. And they'll get no picks out of the ordeal except maybe 1 for sucking afterwards (but it's even too late for that if it happened this year). Having said that, trading away the core, and especially Steph, would be heartbreaking, even though as a business decision it's probably the right thing to do.

Great post, HiRex.

Trading Curry would not be sacriligious, but rather, a great basketball decision for the Warriors and whatever team he would be traded to. The Clippers, with their new arena scheduled to open up next year, would be a great landing spot for Curry, as would the Lakers (a new "Big 3" with LeBron and AD) and even Charlotte ("local kid comes home"). If the dynasty is, indeed, over, the quicker the team does the reconstruction, the quicker it can begin the rebuild.

The Warriors, as they are currently constructed, play horrible defense, have a horrible starting 5, and cannot close out games for victories. Having a title contending team get two shots at the lottery and not having anything to show for it 3-4 seasons later, pretty much ensures that a real deconstruction, including trading away Curry for a haul of draft assets, is required.

[jozef]

It is more-than-concerning how Kerr seems to be channeling his "inner Doc Rivers" when it comes to lineups, playing time, and rotations by sticking too long with "his" veterans (Klay), when he and the team would be better served by immitating how Erik Spoelstra had utilized Ray Allen.

Ray came to Miami to play backup SG to team leader Dwayne Wade...
Just Klay's gravity is top-level asset.

Dynasty is over if they have to play with horrible starting center.

[xdrta+]

I remember when they traded Rick Barry, not that long after the Warriors shocked the basketball world and swept the Bullets in the Finals. If they traded Barry, they could trade Curry. But no package that I can see for him makes sense.

[sonnyhill]

I remember when they traded Rick Barry, not that long after the Warriors shocked the basketball world and swept the Bullets in the Finals. If they traded Barry, they could trade Curry. But no package that I can see for him makes sense.

Barry left via free agency to Houston and the league sent back John Lucas as “compensation.”

The deconstruction and rebuild probably should have started this past offseason; yet, instead the Warriors had decided to roll it back with the same core 3 plus Wiggins and Looney.

Curry is a valuable asset whose value diminishes with time. The window to maximize a return for Curry is small and should be done sooner rather than later.

[xdrta+]

I remember when they traded Rick Barry, not that long after the Warriors shocked the basketball world and swept the Bullets in the Finals. If they traded Barry, they could trade Curry. But no package that I can see for him makes sense.

Barry left via free agency to Houston and the league sent back John Lucas as “compensation.”

The deconstruction and rebuild probably should have started this past offseason; yet, instead the Warriors had decided to roll it back with the same core 3 plus Wiggins and Looney.

Curry is a valuable asset whose value diminishes with time. The window to maximize a return for Curry is small and should be done sooner rather than later.

Yeah, I forgot that's how it happened, I just remember Barry leaving. Old age takes a toll.

[CDM_Stats]

Trading Curry is sacriligous, but it is intriguing to wonder what MDJ could do with a half dozen high-end draft picks. Under Myers it wasn't appealing because I wouldn't have had confidence they wouldn't squander them, but the Podz and TJD picks were amazing while not even being high picks.

I wouldn't anoint MJD anything yet.. you dont want a wartime general during peacetime nor do you want a peacetime general during wartime. MJD, in his one draft, picked people who fit a system that already existed. That's the smart way of doing it.. but would that work as well if we were in a true rebuild with no defined system yet?

But yes, either Myers or whoever was making picks from basically 2016-22 was not a very good evaluator. Jacob Evans pick still haunts me, that was the easiest bust call since Kosta Perovic. But then taking extremely raw players in the lottery instead of the most polished college players/trading them, taking low IQ guys like Damian Jones, Wiseman, Kuminga and Poole.. I understand that most people are going to handwave off the critcism because a lot of them were late 1sts, but the issue is more the type of player they picked, not just that the pick failed. We watched how dumb players can really ruin a system but they kept drafting them. Guess they can argue that Poole worked out because he had his 'Monta spike season' during the title run, which was really fortunate timing.. but the rest? Mostly wasted assets.. especially drafting 2 players in the top 7 who played 3 games combined at the bridge level between HS and the NBA. Doing that to a team trying to win now is baffling.. by the time Kuminga gets it all together, IF he gets it all together, it won't align with the end of the dynasty's final run

[GSWFan1994]

I remember when they traded Rick Barry, not that long after the Warriors shocked the basketball world and swept the Bullets in the Finals. If they traded Barry, they could trade Curry. But no package that I can see for him makes sense.

Wow, I thought you were like 35... how old are you? 80?

[Jester_]

There are plays for star players while complementary players play off these stars. It is different ballgame, different category. Complementary player would struggle to make star plays. It does not matter if they are bigs or wings. These numbers say it all.

What numbers? Klay **** sucks. He was the worst player in the Lakers series (maybe Dray beat him to it). Even in the 22 playoffs, he was a rotational elite support player with Looney and JP in terms of importance. Nowhere near being as good as Draymond or Wiggins. Post injury Klay is not that guy anymore, get with the times.

This thread, while painful for the Klay apologists to read, is actually quite good.

It is more-than-concerning how Kerr seems to be channeling his "inner Doc Rivers" when it comes to lineups, playing time, and rotations by sticking too long with "his" veterans (Klay), when he and the team would be better served by immitating how Erik Spoelstra had utilized Ray Allen.

With Thompson's decline, especially on defense, why wouldn't Kerr bring him off the bench as a "light it up" sixth man for short periods of time?

Andre Iguodala made sacrafices in his playing time in order for this team to win. Shaun Livingston made sacrafices in his playing time in order for this team to win. Steph Curry made sacrafices in his style of play when the team had signed Durant in order for this team to win. Even Kevin Durant made sacrafices in his compensation in order for this team to win. Unless Kerr and Thompson commit to making the necssary adjustments in Thompson's playing time and how he, Thompson, is being utilized in order for this year's Warrior team to have its best chance to win, the team should look to go full-blown "Danny Ainge-Sam Presti" and do a complete reconstruction, including trading away Curry for a huge haul of assets.

I've been saying since '16 that Kerr is the white Doc Rivers

We need a complete reconstruction. The fact we replaced Bobby M with MDJ isn't a good thing.

Dunleavy? That's our Presti? Our Ainge?!

[Impuniti]

What numbers? Klay **** sucks. He was the worst player in the Lakers series (maybe Dray beat him to it). Even in the 22 playoffs, he was a rotational elite support player with Looney and JP in terms of importance. Nowhere near being as good as Draymond or Wiggins. Post injury Klay is not that guy anymore, get with the times.

This thread, while painful for the Klay apologists to read, is actually quite good.

It is more-than-concerning how Kerr seems to be channeling his "inner Doc Rivers" when it comes to lineups, playing time, and rotations by sticking too long with "his" veterans (Klay), when he and the team would be better served by immitating how Erik Spoelstra had utilized Ray Allen.

With Thompson's decline, especially on defense, why wouldn't Kerr bring him off the bench as a "light it up" sixth man for short periods of time?

Andre Iguodala made sacrafices in his playing time in order for this team to win. Shaun Livingston made sacrafices in his playing time in order for this team to win. Steph Curry made sacrafices in his style of play when the team had signed Durant in order for this team to win. Even Kevin Durant made sacrafices in his compensation in order for this team to win. Unless Kerr and Thompson commit to making the necssary adjustments in Thompson's playing time and how he, Thompson, is being utilized in order for this year's Warrior team to have its best chance to win, the team should look to go full-blown "Danny Ainge-Sam Presti" and do a complete reconstruction, including trading away Curry for a huge haul of assets.

I've been saying since '16 that Kerr is the white Doc Rivers

We need a complete reconstruction. The fact we replaced Bobby M with MDJ isn't a good thing.

Dunleavy? That's our Presti? Our Ainge?!

Bob left a building on fire on his way out with some of the worst drafting from any NBA team since the logo was kicked out of the team. I feel like the jury is still out on MDJ.

[xdrta+]

I remember when they traded Rick Barry, not that long after the Warriors shocked the basketball world and swept the Bullets in the Finals. If they traded Barry, they could trade Curry. But no package that I can see for him makes sense.

Wow, I thought you were like 35... how old are you? 80?

Won't be long...

[Jester_]

This thread, while painful for the Klay apologists to read, is actually quite good.

It is more-than-concerning how Kerr seems to be channeling his "inner Doc Rivers" when it comes to lineups, playing time, and rotations by sticking too long with "his" veterans (Klay), when he and the team would be better served by immitating how Erik Spoelstra had utilized Ray Allen.

With Thompson's decline, especially on defense, why wouldn't Kerr bring him off the bench as a "light it up" sixth man for short periods of time?

Andre Iguodala made sacrafices in his playing time in order for this team to win. Shaun Livingston made sacrafices in his playing time in order for this team to win. Steph Curry made sacrafices in his style of play when the team had signed Durant in order for this team to win. Even Kevin Durant made sacrafices in his compensation in order for this team to win. Unless Kerr and Thompson commit to making the necssary adjustments in Thompson's playing time and how he, Thompson, is being utilized in order for this year's Warrior team to have its best chance to win, the team should look to go full-blown "Danny Ainge-Sam Presti" and do a complete reconstruction, including trading away Curry for a huge haul of assets.

I've been saying since '16 that Kerr is the white Doc Rivers

We need a complete reconstruction. The fact we replaced Bobby M with MDJ isn't a good thing.

Dunleavy? That's our Presti? Our Ainge?!

Bob left a building on fire on his way out with some of the worst drafting from any NBA team since the logo was kicked out of the team. I feel like the jury is still out on MDJ.

Not saying MDJ is necessarily bad or good, it's too early to tell. Just doesn't seem like we spent a bunch of time interviewing options and figuring out the right guy - he looks like he was just next guy up.

[sonnyhill]

What numbers? Klay **** sucks. He was the worst player in the Lakers series (maybe Dray beat him to it). Even in the 22 playoffs, he was a rotational elite support player with Looney and JP in terms of importance. Nowhere near being as good as Draymond or Wiggins. Post injury Klay is not that guy anymore, get with the times.

This thread, while painful for the Klay apologists to read, is actually quite good.

It is more-than-concerning how Kerr seems to be channeling his "inner Doc Rivers" when it comes to lineups, playing time, and rotations by sticking too long with "his" veterans (Klay), when he and the team would be better served by immitating how Erik Spoelstra had utilized Ray Allen.

With Thompson's decline, especially on defense, why wouldn't Kerr bring him off the bench as a "light it up" sixth man for short periods of time?

Andre Iguodala made sacrafices in his playing time in order for this team to win. Shaun Livingston made sacrafices in his playing time in order for this team to win. Steph Curry made sacrafices in his style of play when the team had signed Durant in order for this team to win. Even Kevin Durant made sacrafices in his compensation in order for this team to win. Unless Kerr and Thompson commit to making the necssary adjustments in Thompson's playing time and how he, Thompson, is being utilized in order for this year's Warrior team to have its best chance to win, the team should look to go full-blown "Danny Ainge-Sam Presti" and do a complete reconstruction, including trading away Curry for a huge haul of assets.

I've been saying since '16 that Kerr is the white Doc Rivers

We need a complete reconstruction. The fact we replaced Bobby M with MDJ isn't a good thing.

Dunleavy? That's our Presti? Our Ainge?!

I empathize with you, Jester.

The Warriors have become complacent and are no longer "light years" ahead of the rest of the league. Football, a sport which has constant roster turnover, saw Bill Walsh extend-and-reinvent the 49er dynasty by jettisoning Montana, even though Montana still had utility, and moving forward with Steve Young. Ronnie Lott, Roger Craig, and even Jerry Rice were let go in the 49er attempt to remain relevant in their pursuit of more Super Bowl wins. Edward J. DeBartolo Jr. may, indeed, have had a sordid past (https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/who-is-edward-debartolo-what-do-trump-pardon-sexual-assault-corruption-nfl-49ers-business-a9342806.html); yet, he was not afraid to make bold moves and changes in order to keep the 49ers in the championship hunt (he even pushed aside Walsh for Seifert, won two more Super Bowls with Seifert wearing the headset, and even pushed Seifert aside for Steve Mariucci.

It is not Kerr nor MD Jr; but rather, it will be Joe Lacob who will determine the direction of the Warrior franchise. Lacob has stated that his goal as owner of the Warriors is to surpass Jerry Buss's record as Laker owner, where the Buss-led Lakers had reached the NBA Finals sixteen out of thirty-three years.

Warrior fans have to love this Joe Lacob quote: “I'm about only one thing… winning and winning Championships… Jerry Buss. I look up to him. 33 years of ownership, 16 Finals. So that 50% rate, I don't know if we can continue that, but I'm sure as hell gonna try. That's my goal.”

If the Warriors are not in contention for competing for and winning a championship, we can all expect Joe Lacob to do whatever is necessary, including trading away Curry for assets and upgrading the coaching staff, including replacing Kerr, in order to compete, again, for championships!!!

[Hoopstar23]

It smells like burnt barbecue here.... even Kerr smells it... KLAY IS COOKED

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[Crazy-Canuck]

Just watch the first 4 minutes of the 1q, then you'll see how destructive he is for our defense.

Saric is reaching that klay/poole tier as well. Now saric has at least 1 defensive play a game now where his head he turned and has no idea where his man or ball is.

[DonaldSanders]

Just watch the first 4 minutes of the 1q, then you'll see how destructive he is for our defense.

Saric is reaching that klay/poole tier as well. Now saric has at least 1 defensive play a game now where his head he turned and has no idea where his man or ball is.

Saric and CP3 should both get a 16-20MPG together and nothing more. They compliment each other well but they don't seem to fit that well for us outside beating up on opposing benches, but they do that really well. Klay should get similar treatment grouped up with them.

[jozef]

Just watch the first 4 minutes of the 1q, then you'll see how destructive he is for our defense.

11:40 BEAL 3PT - a lot of screens in the play, Kevon stayed a bit longer on previous screen to help Andrew to recover so he was nowhere to help when Nurkic screened Klay for Beal
11:00 OKOGIE 1 of 2 FT - Beal pnr with Nurkic, Draymond and Andrew helped, on recovery move both Kevon and Andrew ran to Metu at perimeter leaving Okogie open for rebound, Klay sagged off Beal to help inside and fouled Okogie
9:40 OKOGIE 3PT - Booker pnr with Nurkic, Draymond sagged off Okogie (.275 3P%) to help on rolling Nurkic, Klay moved with Metu
8:30 BOOKER 3PT - on fastbreak right over Steph

So there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING destructive for our defense. Still it does prove how can fans become biased.