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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#841 » by FNQ » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:42 pm

Mylie10 wrote:I’m totally down for the Playoffs even if we get blown out.

I think we’d be trouble for teams in a 7 game scenario.

In a one game make it or break get in scenario I’m not confident.

But all playoff experience is valuable. Teaches you what and what not to do in the biggest moments.


Practice teaches you that

Playoffs are where you show it off

You don't get better simply by virtue of playing a playoff game vs a regular season game
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#842 » by FNQ » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:44 pm

Onus wrote:Playoffs is a huge teaching moment. It’s a different league than the regular season. And not many people on the team have playoff experience.


Aside from playing exclusively better teams... how?
This is a narrative I've always challenged.. and the answer always is "it just is". But how? Remember how the W's were never gonna win a title because we were perimeter based? More offense than defense?

The playoffs is the same game with better teams. This isnt like hockey where the rules change. Good teams still prepare for you just like they would an in regular season matchup. The real difference: more people are watching which affects *opinion* more.. but you don't get better, learn more, or have it tougher, simply by virtue of playing in the playoffs.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#843 » by Onus » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:16 am

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Onus wrote:I mean we don’t know what pick we would have and who would be there but Corey kispert is someone who would help right away.

Do you plan your season around the hope that Corey Kispert may fall to you, though?

Also, he's kind of unique in that there is probably no other player in that range for whom you can have the expectation that he just comes in and performs well. It's based on Kispert's experience and profile.

And even in his case, I think it's fair to ask how much better he'd be in his first year compared to Jessup, who'd play in a similar role, or a more experienced NBA player you can realistically target in FA or smaller trades.

Yea jj could be similar to kispert but kispert most likely gets drafted ahead of jj last year and is younger. But having kispert and jj as backups could be very valuable on the bench. Having 2 dead eye shooters that run around and can cause havoc seems similar to what we were built on.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#844 » by Onus » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:19 am

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Onus wrote:Playoffs is a huge teaching moment. It’s a different league than the regular season. And not many people on the team have playoff experience.


Aside from playing exclusively better teams... how?
This is a narrative I've always challenged.. and the answer always is "it just is". But how? Remember how the W's were never gonna win a title because we were perimeter based? More offense than defense?

The playoffs is the same game with better teams. This isnt like hockey where the rules change. Good teams still prepare for you just like they would an in regular season matchup. The real difference: more people are watching which affects *opinion* more.. but you don't get better, learn more, or have it tougher, simply by virtue of playing in the playoffs.

How? Intensity, game preparation, schemes, concentration. If you’re good enough playoff teams will expose your weaknesses so you know what to work on. It’s good to see how teams will game plan for you and what they will try to take away. It’s a completely different league.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#845 » by Mylie10 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:21 am

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Mylie10 wrote:I’m totally down for the Playoffs even if we get blown out.

I think we’d be trouble for teams in a 7 game scenario.

In a one game make it or break get in scenario I’m not confident.

But all playoff experience is valuable. Teaches you what and what not to do in the biggest moments.


Practice teaches you that

Playoffs are where you show it off

You don't get better simply by virtue of playing a playoff game vs a regular season game


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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#846 » by FNQ » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:29 am

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FNQ wrote:
Onus wrote:Playoffs is a huge teaching moment. It’s a different league than the regular season. And not many people on the team have playoff experience.


Aside from playing exclusively better teams... how?
This is a narrative I've always challenged.. and the answer always is "it just is". But how? Remember how the W's were never gonna win a title because we were perimeter based? More offense than defense?

The playoffs is the same game with better teams. This isnt like hockey where the rules change. Good teams still prepare for you just like they would an in regular season matchup. The real difference: more people are watching which affects *opinion* more.. but you don't get better, learn more, or have it tougher, simply by virtue of playing in the playoffs.

How? Intensity, game preparation, schemes, concentration. If you’re good enough playoff teams will expose your weaknesses so you know what to work on. It’s good to see how teams will game plan for you and what they will try to take away. It’s a completely different league.


So they dont require intensity, game prep schemes, concentration in the regular season?
The only difference is there are no bad teams to punt around.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#847 » by wco81 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:36 am

Warriors had a great playoffs experience when they beat Denver and then took a couple of games from the Spurs.

Then the next year they lost in the first round in 7 games to the Clippers IIRC.

Then they took off in 2014-15, though they had some rough spots vs. Memphis and vs. the Cavs.

The team and the players wanted to get into the playoffs and stay in the playoffs every season.

But the situation now is different with your second or third best player out and a roster with several G-leaguers.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#848 » by The-Power » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:05 am

FNQ wrote:So they dont require intensity, game prep schemes, concentration in the regular season?
The only difference is there are no bad teams to punt around.

I'm really surprised to see you challenge the idea that teams prepare better and adjust a lot more over course of a series on both offense and defense, just as players pick up their intensity compared to the regular season because the games are more important. Opposing players also learn more about your tendencies, just as you can try to pick up those nuances to gain small advantages. Not to mention that officiating is a bit different and the pressure to perform well is certainly higher as the stakes go up.

All of this seems rather obvious, as does the idea that learning to better deal with those differences all requires exposure and experience (something not at all limited to sports either). You'll also always hear players and coaches talk about the unique playoff experience and how you can't simulate the playoffs in the regular season, just as you can't simulate an NBA game in practice no matter how hard you play. Or you'll hear players talk about having to figure it out in the playoffs over time, and you'll see players having their playoff-peak well after they had their regular season peak because they had and needed time to develop that necessary resilience.

Of course they could all be lying or be under illusions, and the playoffs aren't actually different in any meaningful way from Game X during the regular season – I just don't see any reason to actually believe that, and you haven't really provided a convincing answer as to why I should doubt that the playoffs are indeed different in a number of ways.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#849 » by FNQ » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:09 am

The-Power wrote:
FNQ wrote:So they dont require intensity, game prep schemes, concentration in the regular season?
The only difference is there are no bad teams to punt around.

I'm really surprised to see you challenge the idea that teams prepare better and adjust a lot more over course of a series on both offense and defense, just as players pick up their intensity compared to the regular season because the games are more important. Opposing players also learn more about your tendencies, just as you can try to pick up those nuances to gain small advantages. Not to mention that officiating is a bit different and the pressure to perform well is certainly higher as the stakes go up.

All of this seems rather obvious, as does the idea that learning to better deal with those differences all requires exposure and experience (something not at all limited to sports either). You'll also always hear players and coaches talk about the unique playoff experience and how you can't simulate the playoffs in the regular season, just as you can't simulate an NBA game in practice no matter how hard you play. Or you'll hear players talk about having to figure it out in the playoffs over time, and you'll see players having their playoff-peak well after they had their regular season peak because they had and needed time to develop that necessary resilience.

Of course they could all be lying or be under illusions, and the playoffs aren't actually different in any meaningful way from Game X during the regular season – I just don't see any reason to actually believe that, and you haven't really provided a convincing answer as to why I should doubt that the playoffs are indeed different in a number of ways.


Teams at pro levels attack playoff caliber teams the same in the regular season as they do in the playoffs, unless there's something to exploit

The reason why this narrative exists is because of crappy teams in the regular season, you dont prepare for them. Also applies early in the season when you simply dont have tape.

But its all narrative. The playoffs are tougher because players are more tired.. thats it. And the only other difference is playing the same team over and over, meaning there are subtle strategic differences - but how is that different from playing good team A tonight, and then good team B tomorrow night?
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#850 » by wco81 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:58 am

Two lobs that JW couldn't convert vs. Pacers.

One was horrible, too low and the other one could have been higher. He let the latter one go right through his hands, similar to another pass vs. Knicks that went through his hands.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#851 » by FNQ » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:00 am

wco81 wrote:Two lobs that JW couldn't convert vs. Pacers.

One was horrible, too low and the other one could have been higher. He let the latter one go right through his hands, similar to another pass vs. Knicks that went through his hands.


Literally about 3 feet behind him and a couple feet too high but yes, his fault :nonono:
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#852 » by wco81 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:01 am

What's the point of all that wingspan and catch radius?

But it's the hands.

They have to drill him more on those, make him catch those lobs in practice.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#853 » by FNQ » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:03 am

wco81 wrote:What's the point of all that wingspan and catch radius?

But it's the hands.

They have to drill him more on those, make him catch those lobs in practice.


lol no point
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#854 » by wco81 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:10 am

Your lols are content free.

What are you, 15 years old?

Go ahead, post some funny emojis.

They have to be tracking all the balls which go through his hands.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#855 » by FNQ » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:44 am

wco81 wrote:Your lols are content free.

What are you, 15 years old?

Go ahead, post some funny emojis.

They have to be tracking all the balls which go through his hands.


You basically handwaved off a terrible pass as "he should be able to catch **** passes because of radius"

my lols match your posts
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#856 » by Ilovethebay » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:53 am

wco81 wrote:Warriors had a great playoffs experience when they beat Denver and then took a couple of games from the Spurs.

Then the next year they lost in the first round in 7 games to the Clippers IIRC.


Then they took off in 2014-15, though they had some rough spots vs. Memphis and vs. the Cavs.

The team and the players wanted to get into the playoffs and stay in the playoffs every season.

But the situation now is different with your second or third best player out and a roster with several G-leaguers.

Those were great seasons. I still maintain that if Steph wasn’t playing on one good ankle and Bogut hadn’t missed that game 7, we win both of those series :nod:
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#857 » by MintFresh » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:58 am

Man, it feels like James Wiseman always gets called for rookie ticky tacky soft calls

Hard to develop defense when you're worried you'll get called for a foul

He really needs to work on his stone hands and catching the ball in stride
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#858 » by tarantism » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:35 am

FNQ wrote:
wco81 wrote:Two lobs that JW couldn't convert vs. Pacers.

One was horrible, too low and the other one could have been higher. He let the latter one go right through his hands, similar to another pass vs. Knicks that went through his hands.


Literally about 3 feet behind him and a couple feet too high but yes, his fault :nonono:
Yeah I knew somebody was going to make the HaNdz post. Those lobs were awful. Only pass he missed was the transition play in the second half and even that was heavily contested.

He also used those terrible hands to disrupt passes and change shots several times tonight. I'm not saying it was an A+ game from him but his handzzzz are fine.

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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#859 » by MintFresh » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:41 am

The thing is even when he has position for a rebound and touches it first he always gets it taken away from him. Any contested rebound where he has a fighters chance the ball is taken from his hands. Or when he's in full stride and the rare chance it hits him in the numbers he gets stripped in traffic.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#860 » by Dom801e » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:57 am

MintFresh wrote:The thing is even when he has position for a rebound and touches it first he always gets it taken away from him. Any contested rebound where he has a fighters chance the ball is taken from his hands. Or when he's in full stride and the rare chance it hits him in the numbers he gets stripped in traffic.


This is not a hands problem. This a strength issue. It should improve a lot over the next couple of years.

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