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Post#841 » by wco81 » Sun Jul 3, 2022 5:38 pm

and1GS wrote:I think it's asking a lot to have (basically) 3 second year guys and 3 rookies on the main roster with aspirations of being a title favorite/title contender. Especially if we're expecting to load manage our big 3, I'd hope we would only have two of those slots given to rookies.

I guess where I'm coming from is there's no need to rush our rookies. We can stash Gui and bring Baldwin/Rollins along slowly like we did with Moody. And given we used part of the MLE, I wouldn't mind if we left slot 15 open for a buyout guy later in the year. So I'm hoping we go vet leadership with our last couple roster slots.



Kerr was fine with playing some rookies but in the playoffs, he really cut their minutes.

For instance, he played Lee before the rookies and only when Lee had a really horrible stretch, I think vs. Memphis, he put in Moody.


OPJ was shaking on defense, gave up too many blow bys. But I guess Kerr trusted OPJ to get key rebounds and hit clutch shots over Kuminga, who probably would have done better not giving up blow bys.

I guess we'll see. Pretty much he will have to play them more this upcoming season but in playoffs, he may cut their minutes again, unless they really show improvement.
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Post#842 » by and1GS » Sun Jul 3, 2022 6:00 pm

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and1GS wrote:I think it's asking a lot to have (basically) 3 second year guys and 3 rookies on the main roster with aspirations of being a title favorite/title contender. Especially if we're expecting to load manage our big 3, I'd hope we would only have two of those slots given to rookies.

I guess where I'm coming from is there's no need to rush our rookies. We can stash Gui and bring Baldwin/Rollins along slowly like we did with Moody. And given we used part of the MLE, I wouldn't mind if we left slot 15 open for a buyout guy later in the year. So I'm hoping we go vet leadership with our last couple roster slots.



Kerr was fine with playing some rookies but in the playoffs, he really cut their minutes.

For instance, he played Lee before the rookies and only when Lee had a really horrible stretch, I think vs. Memphis, he put in Moody.


OPJ was shaking on defense, gave up too many blow bys. But I guess Kerr trusted OPJ to get key rebounds and hit clutch shots over Kuminga, who probably would have done better not giving up blow bys.

I guess we'll see. Pretty much he will have to play them more this upcoming season but in playoffs, he may cut their minutes again, unless they really show improvement.


I think you're hitting the nail on the head. The way Bob is building this team, Kerr has no choice but to give the young guys a healthy stream of minutes all season then incorporate them into the playoff rotation. Rather than benching Kuminga majority of the season and burying Moody for nearly the full year. Not complaining, that's just how it was.

It's a gamble, but when you've used as much draft capital as we have on these guys you have to play them in their second full seasons.

I guess worst case we have a clear top 6-7 for a playoff rotation (depending on if you count Donte), then just need one more consistent player for the standard 8 man playoff rotation. Kerr obviously dips lower than that, but I feel it's a given that at least one of our young guys will be playoff ready this year. Fair gamble IMO.
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Post#843 » by wco81 » Sun Jul 3, 2022 6:24 pm

In 2018-2019, going for a three-peat, Kerr said they would be playing more young players.

So West was gone and one or two other guys. They were going to give Damian Jones and a few others a lot of minutes.

The roster was more top heavy than ever.

I don't know if the stars played more minutes during that season than the previous two but it wouldn't be surprising if more minutes led to KD and Klay's injuries in the playoffs -- Klay had injuries even before Green clipped him from behind and blew out his ACL.


As for as Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody, they need to have a big offseason, meaning they should be working now, put up thousands of shots, hit the weights, etc.

They need to hit training camp running.
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Post#844 » by lars_rosenberg » Sun Jul 3, 2022 6:34 pm

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wco81 wrote:
and1GS wrote:I think it's asking a lot to have (basically) 3 second year guys and 3 rookies on the main roster with aspirations of being a title favorite/title contender. Especially if we're expecting to load manage our big 3, I'd hope we would only have two of those slots given to rookies.

I guess where I'm coming from is there's no need to rush our rookies. We can stash Gui and bring Baldwin/Rollins along slowly like we did with Moody. And given we used part of the MLE, I wouldn't mind if we left slot 15 open for a buyout guy later in the year. So I'm hoping we go vet leadership with our last couple roster slots.



Kerr was fine with playing some rookies but in the playoffs, he really cut their minutes.

For instance, he played Lee before the rookies and only when Lee had a really horrible stretch, I think vs. Memphis, he put in Moody.


OPJ was shaking on defense, gave up too many blow bys. But I guess Kerr trusted OPJ to get key rebounds and hit clutch shots over Kuminga, who probably would have done better not giving up blow bys.

I guess we'll see. Pretty much he will have to play them more this upcoming season but in playoffs, he may cut their minutes again, unless they really show improvement.


I think you're hitting the nail on the head. The way Bob is building this team, Kerr has no choice but to give the young guys a healthy stream of minutes all season then incorporate them into the playoff rotation. Rather than benching Kuminga majority of the season and burying Moody for nearly the full year. Not complaining, that's just how it was.

It's a gamble, but when you've used as much draft capital as we have on these guys you have to play them in their second full seasons.

I guess worst case we have a clear top 6-7 for a playoff rotation (depending on if you count Donte), then just need one more consistent player for the standard 8 man playoff rotation. Kerr obviously dips lower than that, but I feel it's a given that at least one of our young guys will be playoff ready this year. Fair gamble IMO.


From my "calculations" (lol), with the current roster, Moody and Kuminga would get around 20 minutes per game, which I think is adequate.
They obviously get more if there are injuries or the vets are rested.
Moody would have to play mostly, if not always, as a SF, because we are very well covered at the guards positions with Steph, Klay, Poole, DiVincenzo and potentially Rollins (which would be behind in the pecking order, but still a body to potentially give minutes to) or Weatherspoon (if he makes the roster).
Otoh we only have Wiggins as SF.
Kuminga has the backup PF role secured unless we get a very good vet in FA, but I doubt that's even the plan.
A center who can be an insurance for Wiseman is what we really need.
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Post#845 » by azwfan » Sun Jul 3, 2022 6:39 pm

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azwfan wrote:Id be shocked if we started the season with 3 rookies. Even I, as a guy who likes to both have and eat cake, cant see that working out well for us.

Didn't we start last season with 3 rookies? That seemed to work out okay.

EDIT: I guess technically speaking we didn't. Wiseman wasn't a rookie per se'. But I can't see how it would be any worse to start with 3 rookies than what we did last year.

Well yeah, but few distinctions.
If we're considering Wiseman a rookie last season then we should consider him a rookie this season.

1) These 3 rookies are much less... well-thought-of (?) and less likely to help at all than the 2 we had on the roster last season. 2 lottery picks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 28th pick (who hasnt played well since Jr yr in HS), and a couple 2nd rounders.
2) Wiseman is just as experienced as he was last season so that is still up in the air.
3) While talented, Moody and especially Kuminga are super young and prone to super young player issues.

We need the vets to backfill when our 20 yr olds are playing like 20 yr olds. I don't think we'll be the youngest team in the league, but we'll be pretty damn young.

Santos - 20
Wiseman -21 (little experience)
Kuminga - 20 (in Oct)
Moody - 20
PBJ - 20 (in Nov)
Rollins 20

Thats nearly half our roster with little to no NBA experience. Seems a bit much to me.

4) Development: I can't imagine there's a ton of valuable minutes available for Santos + PBJ + Rollins. Maybe one of them earns some table scraps of minutes... but not sure what good it is to have all 3 taking up roster space if we need to send them to the Gleague to get them playing time anyways.
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Post#846 » by lars_rosenberg » Sun Jul 3, 2022 7:11 pm

azwfan wrote:
1) These 3 rookies are much less... well-thought-of (?) and less likely to help at all than the 2 we had on the roster last season. 2 lottery picks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 28th pick (who hasnt played well since Jr yr in HS), and a couple 2nd rounders.


I agree in general, but if I am not mistaken, Santos played 3 years in the Brazilian pro league. Even if it's not anywhere close to NBA level, at least he's been a pro for a long time and this could give him an edge over other rookies like Moody and Kuminga who didn't have any pro-experience. Kuminga did play in the g-league, but that's not really pro-basketball imho. It's also 1 year vs 3.
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Post#847 » by Scoots1994 » Mon Jul 4, 2022 1:09 am

I would think Kuminga gets more minutes at 3 than 4. Klay, DD, and Moody will get some minutes at 3 too. Wiggins may get the 2nd most minutes at 4.

It would be great if PBJ took minutes at 4 but it's really not the way to bet.
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Post#848 » by Upperclass » Mon Jul 4, 2022 5:33 am

OKC waiving Isaiah Roby is very odd, but dubs should take a look for sure, looks like a the modern playoff center
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Post#849 » by S-Gorilla86 » Mon Jul 4, 2022 5:50 am

Upperclass wrote:OKC waiving Isaiah Roby is very odd, but dubs should take a look for sure, looks like a the modern playoff center
Interesting, wasn't even on my radar, definitely worth a look

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Post#850 » by Samurai » Mon Jul 4, 2022 6:27 pm

Serge Ibaka re-signs with the Bucks. Thought he would have made a very good stretch big for us.
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Post#851 » by ILOVEIT » Mon Jul 4, 2022 8:16 pm

Samurai wrote:Serge Ibaka re-signs with the Bucks. Thought he would have made a very good stretch big for us.


Just a thought...but is Draymond costing us vet free agents at this point?

Wouldn't you as a vet have second thoughts about coming onto a team KNOWING that Draymond is going to talk crap all year long?

I think his mouth and over the top 'tude is costing us some dudes that might otherwise want to be part of a championship team.
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Post#852 » by The-Power » Mon Jul 4, 2022 8:22 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:Wouldn't you as a vet have second thoughts about coming onto a team KNOWING that Draymond is going to talk crap all year long?

Yeah, we never have gotten vets to join us in the past because of Draymond's mouth. History is totally on your side here.
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Post#853 » by DevinVassell » Mon Jul 4, 2022 9:47 pm

Ibaka already palmed us off a few seasons back from memory.

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Post#854 » by xdrta+ » Mon Jul 4, 2022 9:55 pm

More on Roby:

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The Warriors almost have enough to claim him off waivers with the TPE from Paschall last summer, at about $1.7M, but they would need $1.9M. As it is, they would need to wait and use the minimum salary exception. It sounds like he's generating some interest around the league.
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Post#855 » by lars_rosenberg » Tue Jul 5, 2022 4:02 pm

Dieng signed with the Spurs and Warren with the Nets.

Bob do something!
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Post#856 » by wco81 » Tue Jul 5, 2022 4:05 pm

lars_rosenberg wrote:Dieng signed with the Spurs and Warren with the Nets.

Bob do something!



Those players probably signed for more than the Warriors wanted to pay.
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Post#857 » by Samurai » Tue Jul 5, 2022 5:25 pm

lars_rosenberg wrote:Dieng signed with the Spurs and Warren with the Nets.

Bob do something!

Do we know how much he signed for? If it was more than the minimum, then there's not much Myers could do. If it was for the minimum, then I'm wondering why GSW is not a more attractive landing spot (state taxes perhaps?) for vets like Dieng who have never even been to a conference finals.
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Post#858 » by xdrta+ » Tue Jul 5, 2022 5:45 pm

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lars_rosenberg wrote:Dieng signed with the Spurs and Warren with the Nets.

Bob do something!

Do we know how much he signed for? If it was more than the minimum, then there's not much Myers could do. If it was for the minimum, then I'm wondering why GSW is not a more attractive landing spot (state taxes perhaps?) for vets like Dieng who have never even been to a conference finals.


We won't know any of these numbers until the moratorium ends tomorrow and contracts can be officially signed.

Edit: Although, if it were a minimum contract they could have announced it, since minimum contracts can be signed during the moratorium
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Post#859 » by GSWFan1994 » Tue Jul 5, 2022 6:44 pm

I think Warren signed with the Nets because he believes they will clean house and eventually tank once all the trades are done... then Warren would have clean slate to ballhog, put numbers and get a better contract in the next offseason.
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Post#860 » by Samurai » Tue Jul 5, 2022 6:45 pm

xdrta+ wrote:
Samurai wrote:
lars_rosenberg wrote:Dieng signed with the Spurs and Warren with the Nets.

Bob do something!

Do we know how much he signed for? If it was more than the minimum, then there's not much Myers could do. If it was for the minimum, then I'm wondering why GSW is not a more attractive landing spot (state taxes perhaps?) for vets like Dieng who have never even been to a conference finals.


We won't know any of these numbers until the moratorium ends tomorrow and contracts can be officially signed.

Edit: Although, if it were a minimum contract they could have announced it, since minimum contracts can be signed during the moratorium

Thanks for the clarification. Might be off-topic, but how were the Blazers able to announce GP2's contract terms of $28M over 3 years since that was for obviously much more than the minimum?

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