Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[and1GS]

LAC is counting down the days until they can let Ibaka walk this offseason. Nightmare stint for him.

Speaking of nightmares...what are the Kings doing? I know they're down on Hield, but he's still an asset. I'm not surprised Domatas was rated higher than Haliburton, but long term Hali seems to be the better bet. Not only that, but don't the Kings suck on defense? Like worst in the league bad? So they trade a fine defender for a sieve.

I can tell they love Davion, but that was still a stupid pick and it looks even dumber now as it somehow justified them streamlining their guards.

[Coxy]

I wonder if the Clippers would bite if we offered Wiseman and JTA in exchange for Ibaka, Batum and their 2028 unprotected 1st round pick?

Nah.

Ibaka is completely cooked, Batum is on the verge of completely cooked, 2028 1st round pick is 137 years away.

Ibaka looked good against the Bucks a couple of nights ago.

But Clippers have Zubac on a cheap contract and they're happy with Hartenstein.

So I doubt they'd be interested in Wiseman.

Good.

[Coxy]

LAC is counting down the days until they can let Ibaka walk this offseason. Nightmare stint for him.

Speaking of nightmares...what are the Kings doing? I know they're down on Hield, but he's still an asset. I'm not surprised Domatas was rated higher than Haliburton, but long term Hali seems to be the better bet. Not only that, but don't the Kings suck on defense? Like worst in the league bad? So they trade a fine defender for a sieve.

I can tell they love Davion, but that was still a stupid pick and it looks even dumber now as it somehow justified them streamlining their guards.

I think the Sac management has been reliving the early 2000 Kings team days, so they went and traded for the white-Webber.



I actually like the trade for the Kings. Sabonis is excellent, just need to build a team around him better than the Pacers did. I don't rate Hali as much as others though, I think he's just the current darling in many peoples eyes, but he looks like a nice complimentary guy to me, not a building block.

[and1GS]

Yeah I guess my thing is I view Domatas as complementary as well. Haliburton, no I do not think he is or will be a star. But he is already a really solid top 6 rotation guy for championship contenders. He's incredibly malleable thanks to his height and skillset and is very easy to build with. So that all together I find it odd they shipped him out for a non needle mover - he was their best asset.

I think they weirdly boxed themselves into a corner with their draft picks. Fox, Haliburton, Davion can share the floor 2 at a time, and sometimes all 3, but do you really want Haliburton off ball when he can do so much on? Fox it's not even an option to have him off ball. I don't know, seems like a really pointless move by Sacramento in a last gasp effort to make the playoffs this year.

[watch1958]

LAC is counting down the days until they can let Ibaka walk this offseason. Nightmare stint for him.

Speaking of nightmares...what are the Kings doing? I know they're down on Hield, but he's still an asset. I'm not surprised Domatas was rated higher than Haliburton, but long term Hali seems to be the better bet. Not only that, but don't the Kings suck on defense? Like worst in the league bad? So they trade a fine defender for a sieve.

I can tell they love Davion, but that was still a stupid pick and it looks even dumber now as it somehow justified them streamlining their guards.

Sabonis and Barnes are their defensive bigs???

[Coxy]

LAC is counting down the days until they can let Ibaka walk this offseason. Nightmare stint for him.

Speaking of nightmares...what are the Kings doing? I know they're down on Hield, but he's still an asset. I'm not surprised Domatas was rated higher than Haliburton, but long term Hali seems to be the better bet. Not only that, but don't the Kings suck on defense? Like worst in the league bad? So they trade a fine defender for a sieve.

I can tell they love Davion, but that was still a stupid pick and it looks even dumber now as it somehow justified them streamlining their guards.

Sabonis and Barnes are their defensive bigs???

Holmes is great.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I'm also surprised people see this as so awful for Sacramento. I like Halliburton. I bet they did too. I bet they tried trading Fox instead, but found that the league knows what he is, and he just wouldn't bring much in return. I really like Sabonis, and my guess is that once they found they couldn't move Fox for what they wanted, they decided to see the best talent they could get for Halliburton (or Indiana called them and answered the question for them).

It is a very valid question whether Sacramento should have drafted yet another point guard this year. But once they did, I don't see this as a terrible way to make the most of their resources.

Now the Portland trade confuses me a bit more. The trade to the Clippers felt like a dump, because I think it was, and it got them below the tax. But once they were below the tax, the trade with New Orleans feels like they traded one of their better players for a bunch of spare parts and a so-so first rounder.

[ILOVEIT]

What if Kings are able to send Fox and 4 unprotected first rounders for Dame Dollar????

[HiRez]

I actually like the trade for the Kings. Sabonis is excellent, just need to build a team around him better than the Pacers did.

That's the problem though, isn't it? They're the Kings, what are the chances of that happening? Well I guess you could argue they'd screw up building a team around Haliburton too so what's the difference.

I like Sabonis but if you want building blocks, I'm taking the 2-way combo guard over a center in today's NBA.

[shazam_guy]

A not particularly good defensive center at that.

[Coxy]

I actually like the trade for the Kings. Sabonis is excellent, just need to build a team around him better than the Pacers did.

That's the problem though, isn't it? They're the Kings, what are the chances of that happening? Well I guess you could argue they'd screw up building a team around Haliburton too so what's the difference.

I like Sabonis but if you want building blocks, I'm taking the 2-way combo guard over a center in today's NBA.

I'm seeing the takes on RealGM for this trade, are really centered around ones valuation of both Hali and Domantis. It seems to be landing everyone on either side of it right now.

It's also hard to properly value players when they play in pretty lousy environments, not really set up for serious winning.

I see Sabonis as a little bit special on offence, almost elite, so that's where I fall. I see Haliburton just as a nice complimentary guy on both ends. If there is a player that has elite talent on 1-end, I tend to like them more then a player that is just nice on both sides, especially if they have size. Of course contracts, fit, health, age, personality, all play into it as well, but in this instance I have Sabonis as clearly the best player in the deal and has all of what I just mentioned on the plus side as well.

Others will see Haliburton as having this huge upside though, like Clyde, which I just don't see right now. Maybe in Indiana, he thrives and proves me wrong. Right now though, I'd much rather build around Sabonis. I never thought I'd say this, but well done Kings.

[GSWFan1994]

LAC is counting down the days until they can let Ibaka walk this offseason. Nightmare stint for him.

Speaking of nightmares...what are the Kings doing? I know they're down on Hield, but he's still an asset. I'm not surprised Domatas was rated higher than Haliburton, but long term Hali seems to be the better bet. Not only that, but don't the Kings suck on defense? Like worst in the league bad? So they trade a fine defender for a sieve.

I can tell they love Davion, but that was still a stupid pick and it looks even dumber now as it somehow justified them streamlining their guards.

I think the reasoning for trading Hield is:

1. They needed someone from their roster to make the salary numbers work.
2. He's one dimensional and instantly got overpaid the moment they resigned him (he makes 30+ per year, right? I dunno the exact number).

Plus, I've read somewhere they were concerned about attitude issues with him. And he's already 29 after 5 years in the league (here's looking at you, Chris Duarte...).

I think Sacramento's strategy is to surround Sabonis with wing defenders, in a similar way Denver does with Jokic there.

I like Sabonis. I feel like he's underrated in a sense; he could work as an offensive hub with his excellent passing, allowing lots of outside shooting chances and slashing & cutting from their perimeter players.

That being said, I think the Kings will make subsequent trades after this one, to better balance the roster.

That being said (part 2: the revenge), we are talking about the Kings... they doesn't like to have a long term strategy, IMO.

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As for Indiana, I really like Haliburton for them. Steady, underrated, highly efficient player. I'd bet he will be an All-Star in the East in 2/3 years time, he's that good IMO.

Also worth noting that Indiana will probably make other trades as well, particularly Brogdon (which should net a good piece in return)... and they will have a high pick in this year's draft too (currently they have the 5th worst record). A core of Haliburton/Duarte/Turner/let's say Johnny Davis/piece from Brogdon trade should be good to compete next season.

Indiana actually had lots of bad luck through injuries in the last 2 seasons. TJ Warren missed a lot of time, amongst others. That's hard to compete with so many of their core guys out (we should know that too, by the last 2 seasons we've had).

[and1GS]

What it comes back to for me is poor long-term planning. It's like they went camping with 100 pounds of beef jerky and a single water bottle, stopped at a gas station and said 'why don't we get more beef jerky?' Except this time the jerky is 6 feet tall and almost as old as what they got 5 years ago.

Alright that metaphor got away from me but you get the idea. They tried to go BPA and instead of accepting they need to do a steady rebuild they tried to make a hail mary toss for the playoffs this year because they didn't want 3 guys with similar skillsets at similar ages.

[GSWFan1994]

I'm also surprised people see this as so awful for Sacramento. I like Halliburton. I bet they did too. I bet they tried trading Fox instead, but found that the league knows what he is, and he just wouldn't bring much in return. I really like Sabonis, and my guess is that once they found they couldn't move Fox for what they wanted, they decided to see the best talent they could get for Halliburton (or Indiana called them and answered the question for them).

It is a very valid question whether Sacramento should have drafted yet another point guard this year. But once they did, I don't see this as a terrible way to make the most of their resources.

Now the Portland trade confuses me a bit more. The trade to the Clippers felt like a dump, because I think it was, and it got them below the tax. But once they were below the tax, the trade with New Orleans feels like they traded one of their better players for a bunch of spare parts and a so-so first rounder.

Chris, I think it will depend on the Pelicans' pick: if they can get someone like Johnny Davis via the draft, it will be a good trade for them I guess.

Plus, they opened up a lot of cap room. Maybe they can overpay for someone on the FA.

[marthafokker]

I actually like Sacto with the trade. Barnes is better SF than PF.

They get better rebounding, and more balanced scoring. Their D sucks, but they have always sucked.

I like Halliburton, but he is no franchise PG. So he is the cost of getting Sabonis.

I can see Sacto and Pelicans fighting with LAL for the play in spots.

[FNQ]

I actually like Sacto with the trade. Barnes is better SF than PF.

They get better rebounding, and more balanced scoring. Their D sucks, but they have always sucked.

I like Halliburton, but he is no franchise PG. So he is the cost of getting Sabonis.

I can see Sacto and Pelicans fighting with LAL for the play in spots.

There's no chance they are running a lineup of Barnes/Holmes/Sabonis as their 3 4 5, because the 1980s were 40 years ago

I mean its the Kings so maybe they will do that, but it just wont work for them

Also Barnes has been demonstrably better as a PF on both sides of the ball

[SAKURABA216]

I think the Kings view Haliburton very highly, as they should, and likely wouldn't move him unless they are getting a star player in return.

And... Sacramento just traded Haliburton. I liked the deal for both teams.

Haliburton is gonna blow up in the East and with regular, high 30s minutes.

I think he's gonna reach All-Star status in the next couple of years.

Sabonis is very good too, and should be even better if they manage to put guys who fit his playing style next to him.

Lol yeah the asking price for Haliburton was way too rich for our blood. Wiseman + Moody or Poole wouldn't have been enough and adding Kuminga would have been too much.

[and1GS]

Uhhhh the Blazers just traded Nickeil and Tomas for Joe Ingles with a torn ACL. I assume he will either be bought out or told to stay home given his contract is up this year.

Just a really insane situation there. Horrible value up and down. But they cleared cap space so I guess that's something.

[Coxy]

Uhhhh the Blazers just traded Nickeil and Tomas for Joe Ingles with a torn ACL. I assume he will either be bought out or told to stay home given his contract is up this year.

Just a really insane situation there. Horrible value up and down. But they cleared cap space so I guess that's something.

Lillard trade for enormous assets in 3, 2, 1.....

Full blown tear down rebuild on the way. How exciting for them.

[and1GS]

Uhhhh the Blazers just traded Nickeil and Tomas for Joe Ingles with a torn ACL. I assume he will either be bought out or told to stay home given his contract is up this year.

Just a really insane situation there. Horrible value up and down. But they cleared cap space so I guess that's something.

Lillard trade for enormous assets in 3, 2, 1.....

Full blown tear down rebuild on the way. How exciting for them.

Oddly I think NYK would be a great landing spot for him. They don't necessarily need him this year, but do have assets that can potentially be high value further down the line once Dame starts to decline.

T'Wolves are stupid too so maybe they'd be dumb enough to think Lillard and Anthony Edwards can work - and that it vaults them into a perennial playoff contender immediately.