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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#881 » by Coxy » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:01 pm

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ILOVEIT wrote:John Collins and Atlanta look like a great trade partner IF Warriors want to trade down to 6th pick.

So IF Myers doesn't love Edwards, Lamelo or Wiseman...then trading down, getting Collins (40% from three at 6'9"!) plus Toppin, Deni or another player they like makes sense.


Apparently, there are other Warriors the Hawks want + James Wiseman with the #2 pick.

"As Buckley noted, the potential deal would make sense for the Hawks if they are still in the asset accumulation phase of their rebuild. In exchange for Collins and Huerter, the Hawks would be acquiring two young and promising talents in Looney and Poole in return. The main prize of the deal for the Hawks is the Warriors’ 2020 first-round pick."

https://www.inquisitr.com/6141961/john-collins-kevin-huerter-warriors-hawks-proposed-trade/


According to Zach Buckley of Bleacher Report

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Post#882 » by HiRez » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:20 pm

lars_rosenberg wrote:I like Collins offense a lot, but his defense is bad and we need defense. Dray can't guard 3 players at a time.

He's not outstanding defensively, but I wouldn't say he's bad. He's above average in DRPM for example.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#883 » by Quazza » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:25 pm

Wait ....Collins AND huerter ??

Sign me the **** up. I'm in

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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#884 » by KevinMcreynolds » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:15 am

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KevinMcreynolds wrote:When you read that Wiseman scouting report you quickly realize why the Warriors wouldn't be interested in him. Even if he pans out he would be a terrible fit for the type of offense we run. We need creativity, passing, playmaking ability. He's none of that.


Nice. This is probably what I should've wrote instead of SPP. He fits the Hawks, Grizzlies, and Cavs style. I dunno about the Hornets who is a young team, too.

What big would fit the Warriors? Obi Toppin? Okongwu?

Draymond said Wiseman would be a good fit. Hm...


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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#885 » by ShayDee » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:49 am

I've said this before but saying it again

This is the #2 pick. Not 4, not 6, not 8. The #2 PICK

If we are not getting an allstar/fringe level talent back in any deal, then it is a fail of a trade in any type of draft. If we are not getting expensive picks back, then it is a fail of a trade

All star talent for example are players that were getting a buzz last year. Ingram, Sabonis, Lavine, Booker, Siakam etc. Players that get votes but cannot make it due to limited roster spots on allstar team

No team this offseason is going to trade their young core that have potential for the #2 pick, except the spurs if they are desperate for Wiseman. If a team is offering such a player, there is a red flag involved in the player they are trading. Bulls will not trade WCJ, Lauri, White to move up. Hawks will not trade Collins, Hunter, Reddish to move up. They will however Do a Huerter for #2 straight up which the warriors FO will never accept

Warriors will not take Sato/Thad Young to move up. Never in a million year, if they do Bob deserves to be fired. No matter what draft it is, there is always allstar/fringe allstar level talent in the top 3. If the exchange for that kind of chance at that kind of player is below average role players, and people will accept that kind of offer, then idk what to say.

Last year, who knew Ja Morant will be the kind of player he was? At the end of this season, you will hear people right now say they will prefer Morant to a 2nd year allstar player in Trae young. In college I watched alot of Ja Morants games. He is a Trae Young level defender if people did not realize, in college he was extremely atrocious on the defensive end, and he cannot shoot, or is just very inconsistent at shooting right now, yet people like him over Trae. No one would have ever imagined him to be the kind of player he was in his rookie year, and people would be lying if they told you they knew.

If this was 2019 draft, I will guarantee some warriors fans will say take Barret/Hunter ahead of Morant, because they fit our drafting philosophy better than Morant. Morant would be an awful fit to Steph, people would be saying. He plays no defense, cannot shoot, people will be saying.

We cannot accept bread crumbs for the #2 pick. And always take the Best player Available even if they do not fit or the team dislikes them. Whether it is Ball, Edwards or Wiseman. You can always trade the player if you do not like them. Do not even think of taking Deni, Okoro, Hali in top 4. Also at this point I will consider Toppin for the #2 pick, after some research I believe he might be a fringe allstar level talent. But his risks are the same with Ball and Edwards. But I think Wiseman is the BPA in the draft. He has the highest ceiling out of the top 3 in my opinion and the highest floor. He is better and more NBA ready than people think
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Post#886 » by Little Digger » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:04 am

Zach Lowe’s trade idea..He thinks Charlotte really wants Wiseman and the trade is Miles Bridges and the #3 for the #2..

Bill Simmons mentioned Smart and the 14 for the Warriors 2

Then Lowe came up with the #2 to the Kings for a future top 5 protected pick, the 12 in this draft , Nemanja Bjelica and Richaun Holmes...
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Post#887 » by Little Digger » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:35 am

Zach Lowe said the Warriors are telling other teams around the Association, they think they can hit a home run with the #2 overall
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Post#888 » by Mambomuziki » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:47 am

Okoro vs. Eric Paschal?

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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#889 » by Hopper15 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:47 am

Little Digger wrote:Zach Lowe said the Warriors are telling other teams around the Association, they think they can hit a home run with the #2 overall

I'm still 99% certain that they keep the pick to build for Post Big 3.
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Post#890 » by Little Digger » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:53 am

Simmons went on to make two absolutely moronic GSW trade suggestions ..So horrendous I might get banned again if I post it here
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Post#891 » by ChuckDurn » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:54 am

Little Digger wrote:Zach Lowe’s trade idea..He thinks Charlotte really wants Wiseman and the trade is Miles Bridges and the #3 for the #2..

Bill Simmons mentioned Smart and the 14 for the Warriors 2

Then Lowe came up with the #2 to the Kings for a future top 5 protected pick, the 12 in this draft , Nemanja Bjelica and Richaun Holmes...

I wasn’t sold on Bridges coming out of Michigan State...... his stats are pretty unimpressive, particularly advanced stats (including defense). Is he even a “good” player? I haven’t seen much of him playing since he made the NBA......
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Post#892 » by Mylie10 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:41 am

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Little Digger wrote:Zach Lowe’s trade idea..He thinks Charlotte really wants Wiseman and the trade is Miles Bridges and the #3 for the #2..

Bill Simmons mentioned Smart and the 14 for the Warriors 2

Then Lowe came up with the #2 to the Kings for a future top 5 protected pick, the 12 in this draft , Nemanja Bjelica and Richaun Holmes...

I wasn’t sold on Bridges coming out of Michigan State...... his stats are pretty unimpressive, particularly advanced stats (including defense). Is he even a “good” player? I haven’t seen much of him playing since he made the NBA......


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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#893 » by HiRez » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:54 am

Little Digger wrote:Zach Lowe said the Warriors are telling other teams around the Association, they think they can hit a home run with the #2 overall

Well yeah, they would say that if they want to maximize trade-down value. Otherwise, why would they tell them anything? I wouldn't trust anyone who's that confident in a home run in this draft.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#894 » by GQ Hot Dog » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:04 am

ChuckDurn wrote:
Little Digger wrote:Zach Lowe’s trade idea..He thinks Charlotte really wants Wiseman and the trade is Miles Bridges and the #3 for the #2..

Bill Simmons mentioned Smart and the 14 for the Warriors 2

Then Lowe came up with the #2 to the Kings for a future top 5 protected pick, the 12 in this draft , Nemanja Bjelica and Richaun Holmes...

I wasn’t sold on Bridges coming out of Michigan State...... his stats are pretty unimpressive, particularly advanced stats (including defense). Is he even a “good” player? I haven’t seen much of him playing since he made the NBA......


I would actually rather have Zeller to move from #2 to #3 than Bridges. There's nothing flashy about Zeller but he's a great screener and one of the more versatile defenders among centers in the NBA although not a shotblocker.
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Post#895 » by GQ Hot Dog » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:07 am

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Little Digger wrote:Zach Lowe said the Warriors are telling other teams around the Association, they think they can hit a home run with the #2 overall

Well yeah, they would say that if they want to maximize trade-down value. Otherwise, why would they tell them anything? I wouldn't trust anyone who's that confident in a home run in this draft.


You mean it's better to behave with confidence than to broadcast to anyone and everyone that you don't know who the hell to pick like Minny is doing with the first pick? Maybe we should be telling all the other teams we're "confused" about who to pick?
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Post#896 » by jason bourne » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:08 am

Quazza wrote:Wait ....Collins AND huerter ??

Sign me the **** up. I'm in

(Not a chance that happens)


The Hawks are younger team and would rather have Wiseman, Poole, Looney, ect. than pay big bucks to Collins and Huerter. Wiseman and Trae would be a devastating combination. Not a good fit with Warriors though.

Collins and Huerter would be great fits with Warriors, but the Warriors will have to pay big money out to keep them.
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Post#897 » by jason bourne » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:13 am

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jason bourne wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:John Collins and Atlanta look like a great trade partner IF Warriors want to trade down to 6th pick.

So IF Myers doesn't love Edwards, Lamelo or Wiseman...then trading down, getting Collins (40% from three at 6'9"!) plus Toppin, Deni or another player they like makes sense.


Apparently, there are other Warriors the Hawks want + James Wiseman with the #2 pick.

"As Buckley noted, the potential deal would make sense for the Hawks if they are still in the asset accumulation phase of their rebuild. In exchange for Collins and Huerter, the Hawks would be acquiring two young and promising talents in Looney and Poole in return. The main prize of the deal for the Hawks is the Warriors’ 2020 first-round pick."

https://www.inquisitr.com/6141961/john-collins-kevin-huerter-warriors-hawks-proposed-trade/


According to Zach Buckley of Bleacher Report

:rofl2:

You guys will believe anything.


And what have you contributed besides draft Wiseman? I rather trade him to ATL. What about WCJ if the Warriors trade with the Bulls?
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Post#898 » by Scoots1994 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:19 am

ShayDee wrote:I've said this before but saying it again

This is the #2 pick. Not 4, not 6, not 8. The #2 PICK

If we are not getting an allstar/fringe level talent back in any deal, then it is a fail of a trade in any type of draft. If we are not getting expensive picks back, then it is a fail of a trade

All star talent for example are players that were getting a buzz last year. Ingram, Sabonis, Lavine, Booker, Siakam etc. Players that get votes but cannot make it due to limited roster spots on allstar team

No team this offseason is going to trade their young core that have potential for the #2 pick, except the spurs if they are desperate for Wiseman. If a team is offering such a player, there is a red flag involved in the player they are trading. Bulls will not trade WCJ, Lauri, White to move up. Hawks will not trade Collins, Hunter, Reddish to move up. They will however Do a Huerter for #2 straight up which the warriors FO will never accept

Warriors will not take Sato/Thad Young to move up. Never in a million year, if they do Bob deserves to be fired. No matter what draft it is, there is always allstar/fringe allstar level talent in the top 3. If the exchange for that kind of chance at that kind of player is below average role players, and people will accept that kind of offer, then idk what to say.

Last year, who knew Ja Morant will be the kind of player he was? At the end of this season, you will hear people right now say they will prefer Morant to a 2nd year allstar player in Trae young. In college I watched alot of Ja Morants games. He is a Trae Young level defender if people did not realize, in college he was extremely atrocious on the defensive end, and he cannot shoot, or is just very inconsistent at shooting right now, yet people like him over Trae. No one would have ever imagined him to be the kind of player he was in his rookie year, and people would be lying if they told you they knew.

If this was 2019 draft, I will guarantee some warriors fans will say take Barret/Hunter ahead of Morant, because they fit our drafting philosophy better than Morant. Morant would be an awful fit to Steph, people would be saying. He plays no defense, cannot shoot, people will be saying.

We cannot accept bread crumbs for the #2 pick. And always take the Best player Available even if they do not fit or the team dislikes them. Whether it is Ball, Edwards or Wiseman. You can always trade the player if you do not like them. Do not even think of taking Deni, Okoro, Hali in top 4. Also at this point I will consider Toppin for the #2 pick, after some research I believe he might be a fringe allstar level talent. But his risks are the same with Ball and Edwards. But I think Wiseman is the BPA in the draft. He has the highest ceiling out of the top 3 in my opinion and the highest floor. He is better and more NBA ready than people think


I'm with you on a lot of this, but there was a lot of talk that Morant was the likely rookie of the year before he was drafted.

As for Toppin, no thanks, he's old and just recently took a significant step in his game.

If the Warriors feel that the best player in this draft is Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Avdija, Okoro, Haliburton, etc then they should take that player at #2, or, if they know they can get that same player later they should trade down and take the player later.

We REALLY don't know who in this draft is going to be a star and who is going to be a bust, but I have to hope that the Warriors are going to have a much better idea than anyone here before the draft comes around.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#899 » by ShayDee » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:25 am

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I'm with you on a lot of this, but there was a lot of talk that Morant was the likely rookie of the year before he was drafted.

As for Toppin, no thanks, he's old and just recently took a significant step in his game.

If the Warriors feel that the best player in this draft is Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Avdija, Okoro, Haliburton, etc then they should take that player at #2, or, if they know they can get that same player later they should trade down and take the player later.

We REALLY don't know who in this draft is going to be a star and who is going to be a bust, but I have to hope that the Warriors are going to have a much better idea than anyone here before the draft comes around.


After some research, what I've heard about Toppin is very impressive. The main this is he has been improving at a drastic rate since he got into basket, which was pretty late. He is having Siakam like improvements every year. That shows alot of hardwork in a kid. He might be bad at defense now, but maybe he can improve with the right coaching and environment. But a line up of Steph Klay Wiggins Dray and Toppin will be very formidable, if Toppin can improve to become above average defensively

But like I said he comes with a risk of not improving again and always being a negative on defense
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Post#900 » by Coxy » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:37 am

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Coxy wrote:
jason bourne wrote:
Apparently, there are other Warriors the Hawks want + James Wiseman with the #2 pick.

"As Buckley noted, the potential deal would make sense for the Hawks if they are still in the asset accumulation phase of their rebuild. In exchange for Collins and Huerter, the Hawks would be acquiring two young and promising talents in Looney and Poole in return. The main prize of the deal for the Hawks is the Warriors’ 2020 first-round pick."

https://www.inquisitr.com/6141961/john-collins-kevin-huerter-warriors-hawks-proposed-trade/


According to Zach Buckley of Bleacher Report

:rofl2:

You guys will believe anything.


And what have you contributed besides draft Wiseman? I rather trade him to ATL. What about WCJ if the Warriors trade with the Bulls?


We already have a Wendall Carter Jnr type, his name is Kevon.

Me presonally, if we miss out on Wiseman, I wany Myers to deal with Ainge on a deal for 1 of Jaylen Brown or Gordon Haywood for Wiggins + the 2nd if possible. There are too many unknowns in this draft because there was no tourny play, to properly evaluate the candidates from afar as a fan. Wiseman is the best and safest choice at the pick for mine, and will fill needs that are pefect next to Draymond which I believe to be the most important thing for the team. Draymond needs help up front, James will bring that and then some, I believe. The lob threat alone from Draymond and Wiseman is massively underrated and not spoken about.

All of the other prospect have red flags. I'm not an expert, nor am I close to the teams and players to look at them play and get to know them. Therefore, I don't talk out of my ass like I have a clue about these prospects that played next to zero tournament ball this season. Some of the prospects will likely end up stars, as the stats suggest from every draft, but the likelihood of whiffing at #2 this season is HIGH. Wiseman, is the safest and best option by FAR because of this. We can't afford to whiff. Myers can't afford to whiff.

Of the other prospects I like the look of in mix tapes and whatever random clips that are flying arounds the interwebs, are Patrick Williams, Obi Toppin, Deni and Isaac Okoro. Are any of those guys number #2 material? Who the eff knows, certainly not fans behind computers. That's why the air craft carrier is the pick for us.

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