WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

TwoStarz · Post #881 » by **TwoStarz** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 4:53 am

wco81 wrote:Ball seems to go through his hands at least twice a game.

But it’s the passes my guy

TwoStarz · Post #882 » by **TwoStarz** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 4:56 am

clyde21 wrote:im having trouble envisioning how he's gonna be worthy of the 2nd overall pick in a few years...what exactly is he going to be doing in our offense outside rolling and lob catching (and even that he has such bad bad hands)?

defensively he'll be fine, but doubtful game changing.

i just really don't understand the fit at all, and my confidence is waning even more with every game.

honestly, we need to start thinking about selling high at this point (I know a lot of people don't want to hear this on this board)...but if you wait a couple of years you might torpedo his trade value if all he's gonna be is just rim diver and a guy who can't create much on his own.

I don’t understand the warriors thinking. During the championship years what kind of big did you guys have? Bogut? At that point in his career was just a fantastic screen setter and passer out of the high post. Zaza? Again a bogut lite. Then you had rim runner like McGee, damion Jones etc. Why would u draft a high usage big that excels at neither of those. To top it off, he has stone hands in an offense that probably throws the most passes around in the league. Go figure

Lamelo was the perfect fit for this team. A secondary ball handler which allows steph and klay to play off ball while also being able to break down defenses by getting to the rim. Just a botched pick by warriors that will only look worse with time

ShayDee · Post #883 » by **ShayDee** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:01 am

Lamelo cannot play beside Steph. We will get killed defensively.

TwoStarz · Post #884 » by **TwoStarz** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:03 am

ShayDee wrote:Lamelo cannot play beside Steph. We will get killed defensively.

Why exactly could he not? Lamelo has great size (will only get better as he puts on more weight), instincts and hands to be a more than adequate defender next to steph. It’s okay to be in denial

northoakland510 · Post #885 » by **northoakland510** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:05 am

People jumping off the ledge already? They just Won 3 in a row with him averaging 13 a game. This loss was a reflection of Steph and the other vets mailing it in.

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TwoStarz · Post #886 » by **TwoStarz** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:06 am

northoakland510 wrote:People jumping off the ledge already? They just Won 3 in a row with him averaging 13 a game. This loss was a reflection of Steph and the other vets mailing it in.

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I long the day when people will understand there is more to being a basketball player than “pppgzzz”

northoakland510 · Post #887 » by **northoakland510** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:09 am

TwoStarz wrote:
northoakland510 wrote:People jumping off the ledge already? They just Won 3 in a row with him averaging 13 a game. This loss was a reflection of Steph and the other vets mailing it in.

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I long the day when people will understand there is more to being a basketball player than “pppgzzz”

I know it's more to it than points per game. The kid looked good the previous three games and the whole team got curb stomped today. In the game against Charlotte Lamelo looked good but he also gave up at least 15-20 points on defense.

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TwoStarz · Post #888 » by **TwoStarz** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:13 am

northoakland510 wrote:
TwoStarz wrote:
northoakland510 wrote:People jumping off the ledge already? They just Won 3 in a row with him averaging 13 a game. This loss was a reflection of Steph and the other vets mailing it in.

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I long the day when people will understand there is more to being a basketball player than “pppgzzz”
I know it's more to it than points per game. The kid looked good the previous three games and the whole team got curb stomped today. In the game against Charlotte Lamelo looked good but he also gave up at least 15-20 points on defense.

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Oh I’m not blaming him for today’s game. Even the game before I was on him for his **** stone hands.

Okay, I’ll agree with you that melo gave up 15-20 points. What about wisegod? It’s a layup drill whenever he’s guarding the paint. Not saying all of it is his fault, but he’s not exactly anchoring **** right now himself.

northoakland510 · Post #889 » by **northoakland510** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:18 am

TwoStarz wrote:
northoakland510 wrote:
TwoStarz wrote:I long the day when people will understand there is more to being a basketball player than “pppgzzz”
I know it's more to it than points per game. The kid looked good the previous three games and the whole team got curb stomped today. In the game against Charlotte Lamelo looked good but he also gave up at least 15-20 points on defense.

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Oh I’m not blaming him for today’s game. Even the game before I was on him for his **** stone hands.

Okay, I’ll agree with you that melo gave up 15-20 points. What about wisegod? It’s a layup drill whenever he’s guarding the paint. Not saying all of it is his fault, but he’s not exactly anchoring **** right now himself.

I don't even know if it's hands or he not processing things fast enough. At times it seems like a delayed reaction. Most of the time when I watch him it just looks like you can see the wheels turning. I really want to see him play with Poole and Manion more. Wanamaker, Paschall,Oubre and Wiggins really do nothing to setup other players.

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clyde21 · Post #890 » by **clyde21** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:36 am

northoakland510 wrote:People jumping off the ledge already? They just Won 3 in a row with him averaging 13 a game. This loss was a reflection of Steph and the other vets mailing it in.

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my take has nothing to do with today's loss or any single game performance, it has more to do with Wiseman's archetype and his fit on with this personnel and overarching scheme, and what kind Of path he has moving forward to justify the 2nd overall selection

KevinMcreynolds · Post #891 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:44 am

clyde21 wrote:im having trouble envisioning how he's gonna be worthy of the 2nd overall pick in a few years...what exactly is he going to be doing in our offense outside rolling and lob catching (and even that he has such bad bad hands)?

defensively he'll be fine, but doubtful game changing.

i just really don't understand the fit at all, and my confidence is waning even more with every game.

honestly, we need to start thinking about selling high at this point (I know a lot of people don't want to hear this on this board)...but if you wait a couple of years you might torpedo his trade value if all he's gonna be is just rim diver and a guy who can't create much on his own.

Funny, it’s the opposite for me. I think he’ll be destroying people at the offensive end by year 3 and I’m more worried about his defense. His defensive instincts are really bad.

SpreeChokeJob · Post #892 » by **SpreeChokeJob** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 6:25 am

Stick any 19 year old in any job function at all and a company is going to have problems unless that kid is a prodigy.

The expectations are too high for a center. It’s much easier for guards because they spend their whole life playing against guys bigger than them. For most of Wiseman’s life he has been the biggest and strongest guy. Now he has to fight against grown and experienced men.

He hasn’t trained for that. All he has learned to do was practice in a gym mostly alone on skills. He’s more suited for what he trained for as a stretch 4.

The expectations is he’s going to have difficulty playing the game as a big man this year. If they really want to train him they need to hire Bogut West Zaza to practice sparring sessions and have them beat him up till he becomes stronger.

ShayDee · Post #893 » by **ShayDee** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 7:29 am

TwoStarz wrote:
ShayDee wrote:Lamelo cannot play beside Steph. We will get killed defensively.

Why exactly could he not? Lamelo has great size (will only get better as he puts on more weight), instincts and hands to be a more than adequate defender next to steph. It’s okay to be in denial

You're fine giving Lamelo a chance to get stronger and better on defense than giving Wiseman a chance to grow stronger and better in our system? Did you see Lamelo stats in NBL? They were historically bad and he played 0 defense, all he could do was pass.

I am not saying he is a bad player but there was a major risk of him coming here, given the experiment we had with DLO I doubt the FO wanted another non-defensive guard playing next to Steph. Lamelo has had professional experience for at least 2 years so he was more NBA ready than almost every prospect in the draft, there is no surprise that he is doing well.

Wiseman was always going to be more of a project because he has so little experience basically being right out of high school but he has some skillset for modern bigs and today's NBA is being dominated by bigs that are difficult to guard and game plan for right now(AD, Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, KAT before this year) so the risk with drafting Wiseman was the right choice and I think if the FO had to do it again they will still Skip Lamelo

ahmetmekin · Post #894 » by **ahmetmekin** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 1:14 pm

clyde21 wrote:honestly, we need to start thinking about selling high at this point (I know a lot of people don't want to hear this on this board)...but if you wait a couple of years you might torpedo his trade value if all he's gonna be is just rim diver and a guy who can't create much on his own.

Definitely. He was not one of my favorite guys before the draft but I did not criticize the pick because of his trade value. He needs a long time to evolve into an above average starter level center, his fit with Curry and Dray is highly questionable. Unless you want to build around Wiseman and trade Curry then it is obvious that the right move is selling high at this point.

cdubbz · Post #895 » by **cdubbz** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 4:47 pm

At the end of this season Wiseman will hopefully played 60-65ish or so NBA games. The most bball he’s played in over a year. Sophomore season will be more exciting.

Expectation for off-season: Link up with some other bigs and do a big man camp. Screen setting, boxing out, post moves. Just live in the paint for a few weeks. Wisemans jumper is already silky smooth - he can still shoot hundreds of jumpers each day in the summer stress free on his body.

cpower · Post #896 » by **cpower** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 4:52 pm

the problem of having Wiseman in our long term plan has nothing to do with himself.. it's all about alignment to our final push of championship (2 years window) If you can somehow turn him into depth and vets so that we have 2 years of extra push I say its all worth it.

Mylie10 · Post #897 » by **Mylie10** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:10 pm

Why is everyone so adamant that Steph is going to fall off this mystical cliff in two years? I mean you guys have no idea.

It’s Friggen crazy talk

Post #898 » by **FNQ** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:30 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Why is everyone so adamant that Steph is going to fall off this mystical cliff in two years? I mean you guys have no idea.

It’s Friggen crazy talk

Way more worried about Draymond than Curry.. team needs both of them

KevinMcreynolds · Post #899 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:37 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Why is everyone so adamant that Steph is going to fall off this mystical cliff in two years? I mean you guys have no idea.

It’s Friggen crazy talk

People also seem to think we're close to being a contender too. Giving away our future by trading Wiseman and picks so we can make a couple half-assed runs at the title with Beal or Oladipo in a smallball lineup is a terrible idea.

clyde21 · Post #900 » by **clyde21** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:38 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Why is everyone so adamant that Steph is going to fall off this mystical cliff in two years? I mean you guys have no idea.

It’s Friggen crazy talk

i'm not, I am giving this core another 4-5 year window

but again not really my point...what does Wiseman look like to you in this offense in 3 years? his archetype and awkward fit on this team and in this offense is not gonna change.

and I don't know if I am willing to wait 3 years watching it play out while his value plummets.