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Post#881 » by NYCbeadyrae » Wed Jul 7, 2021 10:57 pm

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killmongrel wrote:Is Bouknight's potential so amazing that it's possible he becomes an all star? Or is Moody's upside so underwhelming, that all he is at best is a great role player. Which of those is truer? If both seem to be the case of the matter, then GS should draft him regardless of fit because the Warriors can try to fill the great role player role either with the other draft pick or hopefully somebody in FA. But I ask you guys since you're all more educated in this topic than I am.


I'd say the 2nd option is more likely to happen, IMHO.

Said that, I like Bouknight to an extent, just not at the 7. Same for Moody. As I also don't see them slipping to 14, I sincerely hope we have other targets to reach for.

And sincerely, as well, I really believe there ARE better targets, too.

I view Bouknight's poor passing stats as a great red flag for him to reach stardom in the NBA. I'm not saying he'll be a bust, just that his upside is more of a medium-level starter for the time being.

Said that, as well, if the team really identified him as a target, they could trade Poole in the future, as having both of them together on the roster would be redundant.


Bouknight was an excellent passer. No one made any shots lol. UConn was horrible offensively, one of the best defensively.
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Post#882 » by whatisacenter » Wed Jul 7, 2021 11:39 pm

Old_Blue wrote:The more I read, the more I get the sense that the gap between the #6 pick and the #7 pick is bigger than the gap between the #5 and #6 picks. So, basically, we got royally screwed by dropping down one slot in the draft.


Meh, this draft was always considered a 5 player draft and now guys like Bouk and Barnes are climbing into the top 5. What player do you have at 6 that is another tier above 7?
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Post#883 » by mos_def » Wed Jul 7, 2021 11:50 pm

I find it odd that Kuminga was a top 3 pick after two gleague picks but probably has fallen to 6 or 7. I've never seen a fall like this in any prospect by the time draft came around
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Post#884 » by osx28 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 2:34 am

mos_def wrote:I find it odd that Kuminga was a top 3 pick after two gleague picks but probably has fallen to 6 or 7. I've never seen a fall like this in any prospect by the time draft came around


Might not be the exact same case, but tyrese haliburton was a top 5 pick in most mocks I saw last year, ended up sliding to 12 for no reason.

I don't understand Kuminga falling either though
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Post#885 » by mos_def » Thu Jul 8, 2021 2:43 am

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mos_def wrote:I find it odd that Kuminga was a top 3 pick after two gleague picks but probably has fallen to 6 or 7. I've never seen a fall like this in any prospect by the time draft came around


Might not be the exact same case, but tyrese haliburton was a top 5 pick in most mocks I saw last year, ended up sliding to 12 for no reason.

I don't understand Kuminga falling either though


I understand why he is falling. Halliburton had a thin frame and a funky shot. Kuminga just wasn't efficient at shooting
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Post#886 » by GQ Hot Dog » Thu Jul 8, 2021 2:52 am

mos_def wrote:
osx28 wrote:
mos_def wrote:I find it odd that Kuminga was a top 3 pick after two gleague picks but probably has fallen to 6 or 7. I've never seen a fall like this in any prospect by the time draft came around


Might not be the exact same case, but tyrese haliburton was a top 5 pick in most mocks I saw last year, ended up sliding to 12 for no reason.

I don't understand Kuminga falling either though


I understand why he is falling. Halliburton had a thin frame and a funky shot. Kuminga just wasn't efficient at shooting


Kuminga's got an outstanding NBA body though. He also looks like he has a high BBIQ to me. I would have taken Patrick Williams from last year's draft over him but only just.
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Post#887 » by Jester_ » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:04 am

GSWFan1994 wrote:Some new stuff over at "Dean on Draft":

How good is Jalen Suggs?

Jalen Green vs. Franz Wagner: How much should creation be valued? (posted by BB above as well)

Capture the flag: which prospects are riskiest to draft in 2021 (great read, many overrated and underrated players listed there: Mann, Kispert, etc)

Is Trey Murphy a stretch 4 sleeper? (we were talking about him a few pages ago... and here he is)


I always agree with this guy

Also, how is Matthew Hurt going in the 2nd round or undrafted? Am I taking crazy pills?
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Post#888 » by mos_def » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:10 am

Matthew hurt body is soft according to measurements in what I read.
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Post#889 » by Jester_ » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:19 am

mos_def wrote:Matthew hurt body is soft according to measurements in what I read.


Is that just code for white and kinda skinnyfat? :lol:

He's certainly no bruiser, but damn, I'd pick him over a couple players being mocked in the lottery right now. Duncan Robinson is commanding a max, you'd think Hurt gets more eyes in this league
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Post#890 » by Badly Browned » Thu Jul 8, 2021 4:28 am

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Badly Browned wrote:I personally don't want Bouknight at 7 (or probably even at 14), but I do think his shooting will be better than what he showed last year.

His freshman year where he had a lot more c&s attempts he shot 34.7% from 3 and 56% True Shooting overall, this past year I read that 45% of his 3pt attempts were pull ups, and he did have that elbow injury that derailed him a bit.

I could see Bouknight being a 35% 3pt shooter in the league, which I think would be fine if he showed any kinda of passing ability. However, he hasn't, and I'm not too thrilled about using the #7 pick on a worse passing Jordan Clarkson.

Especially since we already have a combo-guard that can actually pass a bit in Poole.


Hey BB, what are your targets for our picks in this coming draft?

Thanks and cheers.


Well, in the "Ideal Offseason" thread I did say my ideal (optimistic) offseason was Barnes at 7 and Moody at 14.

Realistically, barring one of the Top 4 or Barnes dropping, I want Moody or Wagner at 7.

Not sure what I'd do if Kuminga fell to 7.

I haven't really narrowed down who I like at 14.
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread 

Post#891 » by floppymoose » Thu Jul 8, 2021 4:37 am

I remember people saying this was the draft to be in, but it doesnt feel strong to me.
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Post#892 » by Scoots1994 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 5:37 am

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Old_Blue wrote:The more I read, the more I get the sense that the gap between the #6 pick and the #7 pick is bigger than the gap between the #5 and #6 picks. So, basically, we got royally screwed by dropping down one slot in the draft.


Meh, this draft was always considered a 5 player draft and now guys like Bouk and Barnes are climbing into the top 5. What player do you have at 6 that is another tier above 7?


I always thought it was 4 players, then 2 players, then like 10 players.

Regardless the Warriors will get a good chance at taking a great player at 7.
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Post#893 » by Scoots1994 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 5:44 am

floppymoose wrote:I remember people saying this was the draft to be in, but it doesnt feel strong to me.


It seems really strong to me.
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Post#894 » by killmongrel » Thu Jul 8, 2021 6:03 am

Which of these do you think the Warriors could or should trade the 14th for:

Knicks' 19th and 21st picks.
Houston's 23rd and 24th picks.

Also, who would you draft?
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Post#895 » by Dubs 707 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 6:38 am

killmongrel wrote:Which of these do you think the Warriors could or should trade the 14th for:

Knicks' 19th and 21st picks.
Houston's 23rd and 24th picks.

Also, who would you draft?


Houston, why would we choose better value?
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Post#896 » by killmongrel » Thu Jul 8, 2021 6:44 am

Dubs 707 wrote:
killmongrel wrote:Which of these do you think the Warriors could or should trade the 14th for:

Knicks' 19th and 21st picks.
Houston's 23rd and 24th picks.

Also, who would you draft?


Houston, why would we choose better value?


Well, I was asking in the context of making sure the 14th is enough to get the picks.
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Post#897 » by whatisacenter » Thu Jul 8, 2021 6:54 am

killmongrel wrote:
Dubs 707 wrote:
killmongrel wrote:Which of these do you think the Warriors could or should trade the 14th for:

Knicks' 19th and 21st picks.
Houston's 23rd and 24th picks.

Also, who would you draft?


Houston, why would we choose better value?


Well, I was asking in the context of making sure the 14th is enough to get the picks.


I only see them trading down for an additional pick if they are trading 7. adding 3 rookies to Wiseman and possibly Mannion from last season is a lot of youth.
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread 

Post#898 » by killmongrel » Thu Jul 8, 2021 6:58 am

whatisacenter wrote:
killmongrel wrote:
Dubs 707 wrote:
Houston, why would we choose better value?


Well, I was asking in the context of making sure the 14th is enough to get the picks.


I only see them trading down for an additional pick if they are trading 7. adding 3 rookies to Wiseman and possibly Mannion from last season is a lot of youth.


That's what I'm thinking. Even if they could add more picks, would they want to?

But I also really don't think Mannion is on the main roster unless his 3 point shot looks godly in the next few months.
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread 

Post#899 » by FNQ » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:13 pm

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mos_def wrote:
osx28 wrote:
Might not be the exact same case, but tyrese haliburton was a top 5 pick in most mocks I saw last year, ended up sliding to 12 for no reason.

I don't understand Kuminga falling either though


I understand why he is falling. Halliburton had a thin frame and a funky shot. Kuminga just wasn't efficient at shooting


Kuminga's got an outstanding NBA body though. He also looks like he has a high BBIQ to me. I would have taken Patrick Williams from last year's draft over him but only just.



Kuminga shouldn’t get past us, but the only reason he’s not talked about favorably here is because he’s definitely going to take a couple years and that’s not really what we want. As a prospect, he seems to be a clear top 5

My bet is that he doesn’t fall. Mocks have him dropping but mocks are mostly bull at this stage. When it’s 2 days from the draft we’ll start getting real info
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread 

Post#900 » by FNQ » Thu Jul 8, 2021 3:25 pm

Johnny Juzang withdraws from draft.. probably fine for us unless we were acquiring a late 1st/early 2nd. I get it though - if I were him, and guys like Kispert were lotto picks while I was a fringe 1st, I’d wonder WTF was going on too

2022 draft target though. Would be a great get with the 30th pick :nod:

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