Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[TB]

Wiggins should only be traded for a sure-fire superstar. Meaning we are using his salary + young prospects and picks.

He's playing great right now, he's a great fit, and he's an expiring next year... everyone sees that as a reason we may be able to dump him, but how about the idea that he may be playing with this playoff intensity chasing another contract all next year? Keep him on the team imo!

We will see how the rest of these playoffs go, but from what I've seen so far, Wiggins is a perfect starter and Poole is in a perfect situation to win 6man next year and still get a max following the Tyler Herro path.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Wiggins should only be traded for a sure-fire superstar. Meaning we are using his salary + young prospects and picks.

He's playing great right now, he's a great fit, and he's an expiring next year... everyone sees that as a reason we may be able to dump him, but how about the idea that he may be playing with this playoff intensity chasing another contract all next year? Keep him on the team imo!

We will see how the rest of these playoffs go, but from what I've seen so far, Wiggins is a perfect starter and Poole is in a perfect situation to win 6man next year and still get a max following the Tyler Herro path.

I think it goes down to who we all see as more valuable to the team when it comes to contract renewals and extensions. In this case, do we want Wiggins or Poole? Can't have them both, and we know Lacob's not crazy enough to have millions committed to 5 players. If he is, we'll be getting nothing but washed up players and G-leaguers with non- to partial guaranteed deals for the next 3-5 years to round up the rest of our roster.

[clyde21]

Onyeka Okongwu should be the guy we're trying to pry away using Poole/Wiseman (most likely we'd have to get a 3rd team involved there)

Jonathan Isaac is another guy we can try to buy low on who would be a great fit here as a 5 if he's healthy

other than these two, don't see any great fits at the 5 for us that wouldn't cost an arm and a leg (and create other holes for us) to get, in which case I'd bring Looney back and try to grab a vet 5 in the draft like Kessler and have him compete with Wiseman for the back up role.

[TB]

Unfortunately our chance at Okongwu is as good as gone. He's finally healthy for the Hawks and my guess is that he is already more in their plans than Capela or Collins.

[FNQ]

Wiggins should only be traded for a sure-fire superstar. Meaning we are using his salary + young prospects and picks.

He's playing great right now, he's a great fit, and he's an expiring next year... everyone sees that as a reason we may be able to dump him, but how about the idea that he may be playing with this playoff intensity chasing another contract all next year? Keep him on the team imo!

We will see how the rest of these playoffs go, but from what I've seen so far, Wiggins is a perfect starter and Poole is in a perfect situation to win 6man next year and still get a max following the Tyler Herro path.

I think it goes down to who we all see as more valuable to the team when it comes to contract renewals and extensions. In this case, do we want Wiggins or Poole? Can't have them both, and we know Lacob's not crazy enough to have millions committed to 5 players. If he is, we'll be getting nothing but washed up players and G-leaguers with non- to partial guaranteed deals for the next 3-5 years to round up the rest of our roster.

We absolutely can have them both, and more and more evidence is mounting that its the smart thing to do.

Letting Wiggins go and keeping Klay would be the very definition of alligator-arming a contention window

[FNQ]

Jonathan Isaac is another guy we can try to buy low on who would be a great fit here as a 5 if he's healthy

I had to stop banging this drum because of his questionable playing status but I'm all about this. If there's a deal where we can move Klay and wind up with Isaac, that's a total homerun.

And if we could somehow get a useful expiring veteran wing in the process.. overload. Someone like Alec Burks, Reggie Bullock, KCP, even lesser options like Royce O Neale.. if people could get past the shock of dealing Klay, that kind of move could help us bridge from this contending version of the Warriors to the next

[clyde21]

Jonathan Isaac is another guy we can try to buy low on who would be a great fit here as a 5 if he's healthy

I had to stop banging this drum because of his questionable playing status but I'm all about this. If there's a deal where we can move Poole/Wiseman and wind up with Isaac, that's a total homerun.

And if we could somehow get a useful expiring veteran wing in the process.. overload. Someone like Alec Burks, Reggie Bullock, KCP, even lesser options like Royce O Neale.. if people could get past the shock of dealing Klay, that kind of move could help us bridge from this contending version of the Warriors to the next

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[Coxy]

Jonathan Isaac is another guy we can try to buy low on who would be a great fit here as a 5 if he's healthy

I had to stop banging this drum because of his questionable playing status but I'm all about this. If there's a deal where we can move Poole/Wiseman and wind up with Isaac, that's a total homerun.

And if we could somehow get a useful expiring veteran wing in the process.. overload. Someone like Alec Burks, Reggie Bullock, KCP, even lesser options like Royce O Neale.. if people could get past the shock of dealing Klay, that kind of move could help us bridge from this contending version of the Warriors to the next

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Does Isaac even have knees anymore? He's been in the league for 5 seasons, played 27, 75 and 35 games, then zero games for 2 straight seasons. He'll be 25 by the time he can get back on an NBA court again and have played 136 games in 5 NBA seasons by that stage. When he was 'healthy', it's not like he was a stud either. He's also now an ordained preaching minister, we had enough of that ess with Mark Jackson.

Trading Klay or Poole/Wiseman for Isaac? I think you guys are getting too into the nose beers.

[clyde21]

I had to stop banging this drum because of his questionable playing status but I'm all about this. If there's a deal where we can move Poole/Wiseman and wind up with Isaac, that's a total homerun.

And if we could somehow get a useful expiring veteran wing in the process.. overload. Someone like Alec Burks, Reggie Bullock, KCP, even lesser options like Royce O Neale.. if people could get past the shock of dealing Klay, that kind of move could help us bridge from this contending version of the Warriors to the next

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Does Isaac even have knees anymore? He's been in the league for 5 seasons, played 27, 75 and 35 games, then zero games for 2 straight seasons. He'll be 25 by the time he can get back on an NBA court again and have played 136 games in 5 NBA seasons by that stage. When he was 'healthy', it's not like he was a stud either. He's also now an ordained preaching minister, we had enough of that ess with Mark Jackson.

Trading Klay or Poole/Wiseman for Isaac? I think you guys are getting too into the nose beers.

well obviously that's assuming the intel on Isaac is that he's good to go, but that's kinda the point of trying to buy low on a possibly great asset.

[clyde21]

this trade is a little complicated and would require a Brogdon S&T but:

Indiana gets: John Collins, Jordan Poole
Atlanta gets: Malcolm Brogdon, James Wiseman
GS gets: De'Andre Hunter, Onyeka Okongwu

some other things would have to be done (possibly Duarte -> Atlanta, plus other moves) but this would be baseline I'd build around.

[whatisacenter]

this trade is a little complicated and would require a Brogdon S&T but:

Indiana gets: John Collins, Jordan Poole
Atlanta gets: Malcolm Brogdon, James Wiseman
GS gets: De'Andre Hunter, Onyeka Okongwu

some other things would have to be done (possibly Duarte -> Atlanta, plus other moves) but this would be baseline I'd build around.

Not sure why Atlanta would want to do this trade? They would be trading two guys on good contracts for two guys with an injury history. I would love to get Hunter here tho but it would probably require adding at least Moody.

[clyde21]

this trade is a little complicated and would require a Brogdon S&T but:

Indiana gets: John Collins, Jordan Poole
Atlanta gets: Malcolm Brogdon, James Wiseman
GS gets: De'Andre Hunter, Onyeka Okongwu

some other things would have to be done (possibly Duarte -> Atlanta, plus other moves) but this would be baseline I'd build around.

Not sure why Atlanta would want to do this trade? They would be trading two guys on good contracts for two guys with an injury history. I would love to get Hunter here tho but it would probably require adding at least Moody.

Hunter might be the most injury prone of that group at this point, and Brogdon is a perfect fit next to Young, a combo guard that can handle and pick up the pace defensively for Trae.

also, like I said, Atlanta would most likely need something else back, I mentioned Chris Duarte also going back to Atlanta, that's just the baseline of the trade.

[wco81]

Atlanta has been talking up making big roster changes.

So as they start to pay all those FRPs, they see that their ceiling is likely first or second round in the ECF as long as Milwaukee and Boston keep their core intact for the next 3-5 years at least.

I don't know about them giving up Okongwu though.

[whatisacenter]

this trade is a little complicated and would require a Brogdon S&T but:

Indiana gets: John Collins, Jordan Poole
Atlanta gets: Malcolm Brogdon, James Wiseman
GS gets: De'Andre Hunter, Onyeka Okongwu

some other things would have to be done (possibly Duarte -> Atlanta, plus other moves) but this would be baseline I'd build around.

Not sure why Atlanta would want to do this trade? They would be trading two guys on good contracts for two guys with an injury history. I would love to get Hunter here tho but it would probably require adding at least Moody.

Hunter might be the most injury prone of that group at this point, and Brogdon is a perfect fit next to Young, a combo guard that can handle and pick up the pace defensively for Trae.

also, like I said, Atlanta would most likely need something else back, I mentioned Chris Duarte also going back to Atlanta, that's just the baseline of the trade.

Huh, I knew Brogdon's injury history but didn't realize how much time Hunter has missed.

[Coxy]

this trade is a little complicated and would require a Brogdon S&T but:

Indiana gets: John Collins, Jordan Poole
Atlanta gets: Malcolm Brogdon, James Wiseman
GS gets: De'Andre Hunter, Onyeka Okongwu

some other things would have to be done (possibly Duarte -> Atlanta, plus other moves) but this would be baseline I'd build around.

I see the value, not sure I'd want to lose Poole now though.

[Scoots1994]

I had to stop banging this drum because of his questionable playing status but I'm all about this. If there's a deal where we can move Poole/Wiseman and wind up with Isaac, that's a total homerun.

And if we could somehow get a useful expiring veteran wing in the process.. overload. Someone like Alec Burks, Reggie Bullock, KCP, even lesser options like Royce O Neale.. if people could get past the shock of dealing Klay, that kind of move could help us bridge from this contending version of the Warriors to the next

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Does Isaac even have knees anymore? He's been in the league for 5 seasons, played 27, 75 and 35 games, then zero games for 2 straight seasons. He'll be 25 by the time he can get back on an NBA court again and have played 136 games in 5 NBA seasons by that stage. When he was 'healthy', it's not like he was a stud either. He's also now an ordained preaching minister, we had enough of that ess with Mark Jackson.

Trading Klay or Poole/Wiseman for Isaac? I think you guys are getting too into the nose beers.

Thought this was interesting: https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=bouchch01&player_id2=isaacjo01

Boucher vs Isaac on their 5 years in the NBA.

Isaac showed some flashes but I have no faith he can stay on the floor.

[Commodor]

If the Lakers make AD available I wonder if GSW would make an offer. He has his injury history but he is still elite and would be an excellent 2-3rd option. Always difficult to imagine an intra-division move but sometimes talent is too much to pass up.

AD & Bazemore for Wiggins, Wiseman & Kuminga works in ESPN checker but I do not know if I would be willing to do it.

I'd probably start with Wiggins, Moody, Wiseman + 2022 1st, 2022 2x 2nds + pick swaps or future 1sts. Again works with checker but I would not be surprised if it got outbid on the market.

[Coxy]

If the Lakers make AD available I wonder if GSW would make an offer. He has his injury history but he is still elite and would be an excellent 2-3rd option. Always difficult to imagine an intra-division move but sometimes talent is too much to pass up.

AD & Bazemore for Wiggins, Wiseman & Kuminga works in ESPN checker but I do not know if I would be willing to do it.

I'd probably start with Wiggins, Moody, Wiseman + 2022 1st, 2022 2x 2nds + pick swaps or future 1sts. Again works with checker but I would not be surprised if it got outbid on the market.

As much as I hate to say it, Klay makes more sense to move. He's from LA, and would fit better with Bron and Westbrick.

Westbrook
Monk
Klay
Lebron
Dwight

Curry
Poole
Wiggins
Green
Davis

[wco81]

Lakers would be trying to get back all the draft assets and players they gave up back and then some.

But how would AD play on the Warriors? No wing defenders so he's going to rotate to block shots? He definitely doesn't want to play the 5 and maybe his injuries validates his desire not to.

On offense are they going to lean heavily on the mid post like the Lakers do, where he often ends up taking 15 food jumpers when he's stoned from driving into the paint? Or shooting 3s?

Only time he shot well was in the Bubble and that seems now to be an outlier.

[Commodor]

If the Lakers make AD available I wonder if GSW would make an offer. He has his injury history but he is still elite and would be an excellent 2-3rd option. Always difficult to imagine an intra-division move but sometimes talent is too much to pass up.

AD & Bazemore for Wiggins, Wiseman & Kuminga works in ESPN checker but I do not know if I would be willing to do it.

I'd probably start with Wiggins, Moody, Wiseman + 2022 1st, 2022 2x 2nds + pick swaps or future 1sts. Again works with checker but I would not be surprised if it got outbid on the market.

As much as I hate to say it, Klay makes more sense to move. He's from LA, and would fit better with Bron and Westbrick.

Westbrook
Monk
Klay
Lebron
Dwight

Curry
Poole
Wiggins
Green
Davis

Like Klay for AD straight up? I think think GSW would definitely consider it. Just depends what the pieces are around it.

I don’t think Klay gets that kind of return though.